because they generate bigger and bigger ratnums, and any time where
efficiency beats accuracy, you want to switch to flonums. This is often
done by inserting judicious decimal points into the constants in the
program, but it would be better to make it a switch of some sort.
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language communities that do the same things
or the same reasons.
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de rapport nyait
Felix Winkelmann scripsit:
Right, that was the intention. The definitions in mini-srfi-1.scm are not
exposed currently.
Oh, if they don't show through to user code in csi, then no problem.
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Nobody expects the RESTifarian
Dan Leslie scripsit:
#;3 foo#bar
1
IMO the value of such symbols is a detail of Chicken implementation
that nobody ought to count on. It is not like Common Lisp's foo::bar,
which is explicitly exposed as a feature of the language.
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; in particular, that it doesn't typically
support multiple list arguments.
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on having their Miranda rights read to them, just like perps in American TV
cop shows
out (use numbers), there is no warning.
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We do, doodley do, doodley do, doodley do,
What we must, muddily must, muddily must, muddily must;
Muddily do, muddily do, muddily do, muddily do,
Until we bust, bodily bust, bodily bust
://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Optimize-Options.html.
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Please leave your values at the front desk.
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Check your assumptions. In fact, check your assumptions at the door
such a bug
long ago, removed the -On argument, saw the bug go away, and left it
at that. Ghu knows chicken's output is a torture test for C compilers.
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Where the wombat has walked, it will inevitably walk again.
(even through brick
stick
with the current behaviour; at least it's a choice we can defend.
All right, to hell with it. We can't make everyone happy.
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Where the wombat has walked, it will inevitably walk again.
(even through brick walls
the way)? Also, NUL is a valid
UTF-8 character.
Valid but useless. It has no significance whatever. The only reason
to allow NUL is in situations where strings are being used as
bytevectors, but we *have* both blobs and u8vectors.
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? JSON parsers written in C won't be able to
handle it either, since AFAIK they all return C strings. You probably
won't be able to store it in a database either, since they use C APIs
somewhere in the process.
I am frankly sick of tools bending over backwards to support NUL.
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document, which is far better than having it accept it with
a truncated string. It's not, after all, a DoS to deny service to a
malicious actor.
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What we must, muddily must, muddily must
as general purpose as anyone else's strings,
even though they can't handle NUL.
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--George Bernard Shaw,
to a man booing at the opening of _Arms and the Man_
normally, by the GC).
Well, string-set! and string-fill! and the like would have to check
for inserting NUL and either set the taint bit (if you really want
to keep such strings available) or barf.
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If [Tim Berners-Lee] has
:
Disallow NUL in strings (break backward compatibility)
Eliminate checking for NUL in the FFI (no longer needed)
How does that sound?
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'My young friend, if you do not now, immediately and instantly, pull
as hard as ever you
for `let-optionals*`
and replacing `string-ref` and `string-set!` with unsafe equivalents in
the loops and relying on the higher-level safety checks are both wins.
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A little
checking).
Eventually, there should be a way for eggs to add types to the scrutinizer
database through a public API of some kind.
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you're out
intolerable. I suppose if I confine myself to : and
define-type, then I could ship my code along with macros that turn them
into (begin).
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One art / There is / No less / No more
To do / All things / With sparks / Galore
(there are many ways to abbreviate something, but only one way not
to - I forgot who said this, John will tell me, I'm sure.)
It's the .sig of David B. Lamkins, but whether he invented it, he doesn't say.
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Ambassador
Felix Winkelmann scripsit:
Thanks for clearing that up. I knew that your encyclopedic brain can
be relied on. I darkly recall having read it in CLTL2 by Guy Steele,
but wasn't sure where he got it from.
In this case it's Dr. Google who can be relied upon.
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has abandoned his efforts, not that Gambit as a whole has
been abandoned.
The person mentioned it to me in f2f conversation.
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I Hope, Sir, that we are not mutually Un-friended by this Difference
which hath happened betwixt us
of a highly specific condition system incompatible with what
the implementation already provided.
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SAXParserFactory [is] a hideous, evil monstrosity of a class that should
be hung, shot, beheaded, drawn and quartered, burned
personally don't like that behavior. It can lead to some subtle and
hard to find bugs (specially for bad typists like me).
+1
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Linguistics is arguably the most hotly contested property in the academic
realm. It is soaked
this convention too.
(In not-so-good news, Gambit has abandoned its R7RS implementation,
or more accurately the former implementer has abandoned Gambit.)
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-table-key-not-found-key',
anybody?) go away.
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Mark Twain on Cecil Rhodes: I admire him, I freely admit it,
and when his time comes I shall buy a piece of the rope for a keepsake
that
(srfi n) becomes srfi-n, not srfi.n. Fair enough.
If you have the likely module names (html-parser) and (html parser),
they would map to the same Chicken name using your proposal.
Concedo.
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The man that wanders far
Peter Bex scripsit:
I'd especially appreciate feedback on the core library names and
the things to kill from core. I will be expanding this page over the
next few days/weeks.
I've added lots of comments. Feel free to merge them in or strike them out.
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to the parameter API), so we can just replace fluid-let of them with
parameterize directly.
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Original line from The Warrior's Apprentice by Lois McMaster Bujold:
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Peter Bex scripsit:
Thank you for the feedback. I've added my replies inline.
My only response is about blobs vs. u8vectors: I am arguing that
there is no reason why these should be disjoint types in future.
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We call
meta, etc.) Still,
both reports are loud and clear that UTF-8 is winning. Not having to
transcode web pages most of the time is a win too.
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Why are well-meaning Westerners so concerned that the opening of a
Colonel Sanders
are very dangerous. However, if done right, they can
make life better.
Emphatic +1.
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And they pack their lyrics till they're so damn dense
You could put 'em in your yard and you could use 'em for a fence.
--Alan Chapman
in child threads created within the body. We don't spell
out that it must not do so after the thread is created: exceptions are
hard enough without exceptions to exceptions.
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But the next day there came no dawn, and the Grey
by parameterizing a mutable box, if you don't care about threads.
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If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on
the shoulders of giants. --Isaac Newton
Michele La Monaca scripsit:
(rename-file x y)
fails on Windows if y already exists. I think it would be better to have the
same behavior as Unix (i.e. overwrite). The attached patch does that.
+1
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The internet is a web
, though I have the utmost confidence in the
mission otherwise. Then again, I figure you'll continue to maintain it.
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The exception proves the rule. Dimbulbs think: Your counterexample proves
my theory. Latin students think
Mario Domenech Goulart scripsit:
Shouldn't we check !defined(__CYGWIN__) here?
It can't hurt, but since 2012 Cygwin no longer defines _WIN32.
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The whole of Gaul is quartered into three halves.
--Julius Caesar
this. There will be a lot of eggs that will have
to be maintained in two versions, no matter what. I think we should
continue to think about ways to ameliorate that.
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In computer science, we stand on each other's feet. --Brian K
extensions.
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John Cowan scripsit:
It's only now with Python 3.4 (arguably 3.3) that parity with Python
2.7 was achieved. There is still no recommendation to convert working
2.7 applications (as opposed to libraries) and there may never be.
Here's a FAQ about the Python 2 to Python 3 transition, one
.
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You could put 'em in your yard and you could use 'em for a fence.
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Objective consideration of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion
that optimum or inadequate performance in the trend of competitive
activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity
against it?
I assume the reason for the name change is so that you can have both
Cygwin and MinGW Chickens on the same box if you want to.
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The competent programmer is fully aware of the strictly limited size of his own
skull
notice. I see no reason to have identical ##sys# and regular
versions of things: +1 to deprecating the ##sys# versions.
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Eric Raymond is the Margaret Mead of the Open Source movement.
--Bruce Perens, a long time ago
.
A longer-term effort would be to migrate these names out of the chicken
module and into a ##sys module, so that they are only imported explicitly.
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You escaped them by the will-death and the Way of the Black Wheel.
I could
external API as well, albeit undocumented. This is a Bad Thing.
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Dievas dave dantis; Dievas duos duonos--Lithuanian proverb
Deus dedit dentes; deus dabit panem --Latin version thereof
Deity donated dentition
to the new class definition.
For each existing instance, a new instance is created, and then the new
objects are made to replace the old.
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The Penguin shall hunt and devour all that is crufty, gnarly and
bogacious; all code which
.)
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Police in many lands are now complaining that local arrestees are insisting
on having their Miranda rights read to them, just like perps in American TV
cop shows. When it's explained to them that they are in a different
available (at least at the REPL) in Racket, Chicken, SISC,
Sizzle, Vicare, IronScheme, RScheme, SXM.
See http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/PlusOneEx for details.
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Deshil Holles eamus. Deshil Holles eamus. Deshil Holles eamus.
Send
+, then 1+x was brought up, not +1x.
I actually tested the right thing, but reported it wrongly. (Post in
haste, repent at leisure.) In any case, the tests for 1+ are now merged
in and some errors corrected. We are stuck with the wrong page name,
though.
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to a pipe as it goes.
The parent can then read that pipe with select() or poll(). After the job
is done, the child goes to sleep() forever, but the parent must be sure
to kill it before exiting.
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The first thing you learn
a different identifier, as 1+x has never been a
standards-conformant identifier under *any* version of the Scheme
standard. However, most Scheme implementations will accept 1+x as a
valid identifier.
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In computer science, we stand
.
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First known example of political correctness: After Nurhachi had united
all the other Jurchen tribes under the leadership of the Manchus, his
successor Abahai (1592-1643) issued an order that the name Jurchen should
be banned
.
Well, that is what `use` already does, no?
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with binary data that's escaped with
\x!
Strings have definite semantics as a sequence of characters, even if you
need to know the encoding. Blobs have no semantics at all: they can be
logically strings, or SRFI 4 vectors, or arrays of C structs, or whatever.
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But it does not support separate compilation of those files. As I said
before, I personally don't consider that a severe limitation.
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I could not. --Great
names like (foo bar) mapped to foo.bar
instead of foo-bar?
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English-to-Russian
be better if the semantics of Chicken `import` fell back
to `use` if the module is not currently loaded, rather than throwing
an error. If that worked, it would be possible to simulate a substantial
subset of R7RS module language as native Chicken code.
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a hangover from Chicken 3 days.
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use of deprecated `~a' - consider `~a'
It might come along a bit terse for the normal case - as so many
compiler warnings, though.
Reads fine to me.
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error when it encounters an improper list tail. so it's still O(n)
instead of O(2n), which it would've been if it first checked the entire
list.
O(n) and O(2n) are the same thing, because big-O notation eliminates
any constant factor such as this.
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be much less efficient than existing library
versions which do it smart, a 32-bit or 64-bit word at a time with
adjustments. I would like to see some measurements on at least
a few platforms before we install this vanilla code.
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and shake it, it works again.
In particular, if the web and FTP sites were messed up, I would just
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Statistics don't help a great deal in making important
/shared before anything else is done.
A quick look at the reference implementation suggests that it needs
to trap the case where start = end, and always return #f then.
Causing start end to throw an error wouldn't hurt either.
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, string-trim-right where start = end also
returns a spurious result.
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as meaning anything but
that the start/end arguments indicate the portion of the original string
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appears in the source,
at least in Europe and the U.S. So there is no reason to touch
otherwise undisturbed source code every year just to do this.
Does anyone *really* care whether parts of Chicken go into the public
domain in 2113 or 2114?
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right now?
Pretty much how I feel like. However, when writing code to be added to
R7RS, I used an Emacs one-liner that someone gave me.
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You stand
Jay Sulzberger scripsit:
I'd be delighted to have a copy of this one-liner.
See
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9824486/external-lisp-code-indenter/9825272.
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it is with brace style.
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sure you are in hell, however, then you must be
on the Cross Bronx
tomorrow.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#K.26R_style for details.
This article also notes that BSD style is ambiguous, because it can mean
either Allman style or KNF style.
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I suppose some day we could integrate MPFR into the numbers egg, though.
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anyway, because the lexical syntax
'x is unhygienic. Anyone who rebinds any of quote, quasiquote, unquote,
or splicing-unquote deserves to lose.
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it is not true in the reader (and would be non-conformant if it were).
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six, five, six, five, six, five, six, five, and six.
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(1), and should be called `pair-or-null?`. `List?`
returns #t if its argument is a proper list, and is O(n) in the length of
the list. It's a little irritating that Scheme doesn't have a standard
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are easy:
move the declaration up in its block, or create a new block, like this:
foo() {
int a = 32;
a++;
{
int b = a + 5
do_something(b);
}
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wouldn't have worked anyway.
So for RScheme purposes, just write a trivial syntax-rules macro:
(define-syntax letrec*
(syntax-rules ()
((letrec* . x) (letrec . x
(This requires loading the RScheme syntax-rules support.)
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but can't be mutated, which was
done specifically because some implementations copy the mutated value
when forking a new thread and others do not.
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To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all
that open,
because it's not clear what the Right Thing is.
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The closed-source geeks ain't happy / They sad cause they in the dark
But geeks in the dark is lucky / They in for a worser treat
as a sequence of carriage return characters
followed by a linefeed character.
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IHTAT commments isn't so bad.
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at the front desk. check your assumptions at the door.
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Peter Bex scripsit:
When run with paranoid CHICKEN, it tells us nicely where it's going
wrong: the list-queue procedure uses the low-level structure constructor
##sys#make-structure with 3 arguments: the structure type, the list and
the list tail. Unfortunately, make-queue calls
Peter Bex scripsit:
Care to provide a patch for that?
I don't really know enough about Chicken's C conventions to do so, but I
bet you do. A denormalized number can be recognized because its
exponent bits are zero, but its fraction bits are non-zero (otherwise
it would be +/-0.0).
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only relevant to hardware ports: it supports the RTS/CTS
flow control protocol.
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/home would have been a safe assumption before Mac OS X, but that
operating system uses /Users. /etc/usermgmt.conf on OpenBSD defines
the user base_dir (to /home), I'm not sure how this value is
determined on other operating systems.
Eh, what of it? It's a fallback to
phasing declarations
and force the implementation to either put everything in one big phase
(and so what if some identifiers are defined when they are not needed)
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from the explicit-phasing faith to the implicit-phasing faith
(most people adopt one or the other right away), so his email at
http://lists.r6rs.org/pipermail/r6rs-discuss/2009-September/005493.html
is worth reading too.
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Real FORTRAN programmers can program FORTRANJohn Cowan
in any language
nothing corresponding to main programs.
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John Cowanhttp://ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
The work of Henry James has always seemed divisible by a simple dynastic
arrangement into three reigns: James I, James II, and the Old Pretender.
--Philip Guedalla
. This is particularly
important in a forked process; otherwise, shared buffers will be flushed
twice.
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John Cowanhttp://ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org
SAXParserFactory [is] a hideous, evil monstrosity of a class that should
be hung, shot, beheaded, drawn and quartered, burned at the stake
(to mean p, for example),
we wouldn't be able to add a meaning to them in R8RS.
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John Cowanco...@ccil.orghttp://ccil.org/~cowan
The present impossibility of giving a scientific explanation is no proof
that there is no scientific explanation. The unexplained is not to be
identified
not as closely vetted as
the R7RS-small draft. The (chibi test) library it mentions is the same
as the Chicken egg test, not too surprisingly.
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who will prove to you that either co...@ccil.org
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Jörg F. Wittenberger scripsit:
On May 22 2013, Peter Bex wrote:
We already knew the SRFI implementations shipped with CHICKEN are
extremely inefficient. It's been a plan to rewrite some of them
using faster internal versions for a while. Also, the design of
SRFI-1 and SRFI-13 is pretty
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