[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
So I've officially switched to carbon emacs, and I'm loving it. Is there a way to launch a second instance - double-clicking the executable seems to just bring the original instance to the foreground. Feel free to tell me I'm Doing It Wrong, but when working on two trees simultaneously I like to open them in separate emacs instances so I don't accidentally make edits in the wrong tree. -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Kenneth Russell k...@chromium.org wrote: There's a Carbon-based, non-Aquamacs Emacs available for Mac OS X. Recommended. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CarbonEmacsPackage -Ken On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've been using Aquamacs, although I don't like the fact that it has *so many* modes built-in and turned-on by default, and I also don't like the fact that it doesn't lend itself well to customization (it has its own set of initialization files it keeps hidden off). It's decent, though (but again, I've devolved over the years to using almost vanilla emacs bindings to allow moving to new platforms easier). I've also been known to use the built-in GNU emacs from a terminal shell (especially when working remotely/SSH-ing). I see no reason why you can't have the same experience that you do with your Linux box, although you'd have to find a way to drag the google3 elisp over. -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.org wrote: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
Thanks for all answers! I think I'll use CarbonEmacs for editing (it's great, my entire .emacs finally works) and Xcode for compiling. Aquamacs just landed in the trash. It's nice that Xcode supports some Emacs keybindings - I didn't know that. That's a feature of OS X, these keybindings work in nearly all textboxes (even chrome's). It's configurable, too: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/cocoa-text.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. wrote: I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim) With the normal Mac key bindings it's Cmd-leftarrow, Shift-downarrow, delete. If you want to delete multiple lines repeat the Shift-downarrow. Xcode has a whole UI in its prefs for editing the key bindings, and there are a bunch of 'secret' commands that aren't hooked up by default (or are bound to keystrokes so obscure you'd never discover them), such as cursor movement by sub-words (i.e. to the next capital letter.) I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. TextMate has a command for that, buried in the Plain Text bundle. —Jens --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 19:08, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've also been known to use the built-in GNU emacs from a terminal shell (especially when working remotely/SSH-ing). I see no reason why you can't have the same experience that you do with your Linux box, although you'd have to find a way to drag the google3 elisp over. I have it working. For reference, the file can be downloaded from http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/google-c-style.el Maybe I should try the non-aqua Emacs, hm... How about building? Is using xcodebuild slower than running the build from Xcode? My simple testing shows that there is no big difference. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
I've been using Aquamacs, although I don't like the fact that it has *so many* modes built-in and turned-on by default, and I also don't like the fact that it doesn't lend itself well to customization (it has its own set of initialization files it keeps hidden off). It's decent, though (but again, I've devolved over the years to using almost vanilla emacs bindings to allow moving to new platforms easier). I've also been known to use the built-in GNU emacs from a terminal shell (especially when working remotely/SSH-ing). I see no reason why you can't have the same experience that you do with your Linux box, although you'd have to find a way to drag the google3 elisp over. -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.orgwrote: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
I heartily recommend MacVim ( http://code.google.com/p/macvim/ ). I hear its fullscreen mode is pretty rad :-P Having said that, XCode – like most OS X apps – support some emacs keybindings. Your Remove entire line example is ctrl-a ctrl-k ctrl-k in XCode. I usually use some mix of MacVim and XCode. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.org wrote: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
TextMate is pretty solid and very customizable. I wonder if we can get gyp to generate .tmproj files :P I also like it's command line tool mate for opening files from the Terminal. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.orgwrote: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
2009/11/3 Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.org: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? Vim? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
There's a Carbon-based, non-Aquamacs Emacs available for Mac OS X. Recommended. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CarbonEmacsPackage -Ken On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've been using Aquamacs, although I don't like the fact that it has *so many* modes built-in and turned-on by default, and I also don't like the fact that it doesn't lend itself well to customization (it has its own set of initialization files it keeps hidden off). It's decent, though (but again, I've devolved over the years to using almost vanilla emacs bindings to allow moving to new platforms easier). I've also been known to use the built-in GNU emacs from a terminal shell (especially when working remotely/SSH-ing). I see no reason why you can't have the same experience that you do with your Linux box, although you'd have to find a way to drag the google3 elisp over. -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.org wrote: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
I've heard this suggested a few times (not just in this thread) - is there an advantage to running Carbon Emacs instead of plain-old-GNU-Emacs-in-a-terminal? -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Scott Hess sh...@chromium.org wrote: +1. I found Aquamacs weird/annoying. Carbon Emacs seemed a lot better. [I come from a Linux background.] -scott On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Kenneth Russell k...@chromium.org wrote: There's a Carbon-based, non-Aquamacs Emacs available for Mac OS X. Recommended. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CarbonEmacsPackage -Ken On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've been using Aquamacs, although I don't like the fact that it has *so many* modes built-in and turned-on by default, and I also don't like the fact that it doesn't lend itself well to customization (it has its own set of initialization files it keeps hidden off). It's decent, though (but again, I've devolved over the years to using almost vanilla emacs bindings to allow moving to new platforms easier). I've also been known to use the built-in GNU emacs from a terminal shell (especially when working remotely/SSH-ing). I see no reason why you can't have the same experience that you do with your Linux box, although you'd have to find a way to drag the google3 elisp over. -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.org wrote: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
Carbon Emacs makes the Alt key work right, and copy/paste to the system pasteboard works like I expect w/in emacs. I find using emacs w/in Terminal.app to be annoying enough that I use emacsclient to throw edits out to Emacs.app. -scott On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've heard this suggested a few times (not just in this thread) - is there an advantage to running Carbon Emacs instead of plain-old-GNU-Emacs-in-a-terminal? -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Scott Hess sh...@chromium.org wrote: +1. I found Aquamacs weird/annoying. Carbon Emacs seemed a lot better. [I come from a Linux background.] -scott On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Kenneth Russell k...@chromium.org wrote: There's a Carbon-based, non-Aquamacs Emacs available for Mac OS X. Recommended. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CarbonEmacsPackage -Ken On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've been using Aquamacs, although I don't like the fact that it has *so many* modes built-in and turned-on by default, and I also don't like the fact that it doesn't lend itself well to customization (it has its own set of initialization files it keeps hidden off). It's decent, though (but again, I've devolved over the years to using almost vanilla emacs bindings to allow moving to new platforms easier). I've also been known to use the built-in GNU emacs from a terminal shell (especially when working remotely/SSH-ing). I see no reason why you can't have the same experience that you do with your Linux box, although you'd have to find a way to drag the google3 elisp over. -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.org wrote: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
In Carbon emacs, the command key works as Meta, and copying/pasting is integrated with the system clipboard. There are probably other advantages. -Ken On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've heard this suggested a few times (not just in this thread) - is there an advantage to running Carbon Emacs instead of plain-old-GNU-Emacs-in-a-terminal? -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Scott Hess sh...@chromium.org wrote: +1. I found Aquamacs weird/annoying. Carbon Emacs seemed a lot better. [I come from a Linux background.] -scott On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Kenneth Russell k...@chromium.org wrote: There's a Carbon-based, non-Aquamacs Emacs available for Mac OS X. Recommended. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CarbonEmacsPackage -Ken On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've been using Aquamacs, although I don't like the fact that it has *so many* modes built-in and turned-on by default, and I also don't like the fact that it doesn't lend itself well to customization (it has its own set of initialization files it keeps hidden off). It's decent, though (but again, I've devolved over the years to using almost vanilla emacs bindings to allow moving to new platforms easier). I've also been known to use the built-in GNU emacs from a terminal shell (especially when working remotely/SSH-ing). I see no reason why you can't have the same experience that you do with your Linux box, although you'd have to find a way to drag the google3 elisp over. -atw On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.org wrote: Recently I started working more and more on Mac OS X, and I'm trying to find an editor that would work the best for me. On Linux I used GNU Emacs with many customizations. Some of the most handy ones for working on Chromium were Google Style script and launching the compilation from the editor. I also used Vim keybindings (Viper) a lot. On Mac, I tried Aquamacs, but some of my customizations broke. Also, the Vim emulation seems to be only half-working (selecting text in Vim visual mode isn't working). I also tried Xcode, but it seems that the editor isn't powerful enough. I don't know how to quickly remove an entire line (2 keystrokes in Vim), or a few lines (3 keystrokes). However, the Open Quickly option (cmd-shift-d) is very nice. I also couldn't find an easy solution to automatically remove trailing whitespace in Xcode. Do you have any tips about effective editing on Mac? Which solution would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Which editor do you recommend on Mac OS X?
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Paweł Hajdan Jr. phajdan...@chromium.orgwrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 19:08, Drew Wilson atwil...@chromium.org wrote: I've also been known to use the built-in GNU emacs from a terminal shell (especially when working remotely/SSH-ing). I see no reason why you can't have the same experience that you do with your Linux box, although you'd have to find a way to drag the google3 elisp over. I have it working. For reference, the file can be downloaded from http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/google-c-style.el Maybe I should try the non-aqua Emacs, hm... How about building? Is using xcodebuild slower than running the build from Xcode? My simple testing shows that there is no big difference. On both my MacBook Pro and Mac Pro, I found that there was a fairly sizable difference doing incremental builds since XCode keeps track of dependencies between builds. When doing a full build, there's not much difference though. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
