The definition of "National Security" is "You remain ignorant so the powers-that-be will get richer because you are (ignorant)."
I coined this. See if it isn't true. Peace, Arlene Johnson Publisher/Author http://www.truedemocracy.net the home of The Journal of History (La verdad sobre la democracia) Click on the icon that says Magazine to access my e-zine. Password for 2006: message -----Original Message----- >From: RoadsEnd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Aug 2, 2006 4:43 AM >To: Cia-drugs Cia-drugs <Cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com> >Cc: RoadsEnd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [cia-drugs] Fwd: [CTRL] "Sean" and his Internet Troll Warthogs ? >prelude > > > >Begin forwarded message: > >> On Aug 1, 2006, at 10:51 AM, AK wrote: >> >>> I am on other lists vexed with multiple anonymo trolls. You have >>> to wonder how muc of this is Unc Sam's "information warriors", and >>> how much, if at all, sociopathic individuals with an axe to grind... >>> >>> AK >>> >>> On 8/1/06, RoadsEnd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> -Caveat Lector- >>> >>> The sincere Internet troll "Sean McBride" and fellow trolls have been >>> removed. It take several kinds of trolls to play the "game." >>> >>> They play a game of sides, dialectics of dissension upon which to >>> hang their hats of lies. >>> >>> "Sean" will not allow my posts on his board, even though he mentions >>> me directly by name. >>> >>> A full report, the "Anatomy of a Troll Operation," is being compiled >>> and posted with in the next couple of days. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Kris Millegan >>> >>> PS. Expect some "noise," >> >> >> >>> It's meme warfare >> >> >> Do some study on Berlet, >> >> It is spook work. >> >> Yes there are kooks, but "leading" the pack is a spook 99 out of 100. >> >> I am been out in several fields for several years where you have >> survivors (both victims and ex-operators), researchers, social >> workers/sociology and other professors, journalists and ? the kooks >> and spooks. >> >> What is it they say familiarity breeds ? ? >> >> For the victims, especially survivors my heart goes out. >> >> Blessings, >> Amen, >> >> Well, on to the subject. >> As you know in this day an age an Interent "persona can be created >> rather easily. People are social and generally trusting human beings. >> >> Pleasse visit here http://ctrl.org/MilleganStews/McBride- >> Berlet.html and http://ctrl.org/MilleganStews/TheDevilJohnFoster.html >> >> and >> >> Do a google in google's "groups" heading for [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> and you can see "Sean" developing a compacc 800 and souping up to >> be a super information gathering, sorting and retrieval system so >> they would have all the latest screeds, boilerplate and real >> research at their fingertips so that "they" can extreme it. It is >> "essential that "they" control the extremes, because by that you >> control the middle, allows "them" to gather information on players >> both sociopaths (you could be useful) and researchers. And the >> action disses the real research at the same time. Kudos all-round ? >> >> "Sean McBride" is an Internet troll living in a souped-up laptop. >> >> I am been studying the most recent event, the footprints in the >> silica show foreknowledge of the latest Middle East carnage as >> their attack on CIA-Drugs showed foreknowledge on 9/11. At least >> foreknowledge of something, whether the actual actions , who knows. >> Let us just say that have been pre-positioning them selves and >> laying down drama. >> >> And I am sure that their are still some operating trolls and some >> sleepers on ctrl that may wake-up. >> >> "These" guys are truly afraid of consensus understanding of their >> many games. >> >> Let me just let me post a couple of the footprints of the latest >> action. >> >> This first comes from "Sean's" political research yahoogroup. And >> this is just part of the story, the drama play goes deep, because >> they create their current dynamic positions from past reckoning. >> >> Raz is the an other "side" attack troll. >> >> Here is some "meat for the pack." >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/message/19910 >> >> >> >> >> Israeli Ops in Internet Forums >> Message List >> >> Reply | Forward >> >> Message #19910 of 20599 < Prev < Prev | Next > Next > >> Israeli Ops in Internet Forums >> >> File this under possibly significant. >> >> Some folks here will be aware of some peculiar anomalies and >> behavior surrounding cia-drugs in recent years. In particular, a >> certain faction in cia-drugs went to extraordinary lengths to try >> to suppress discussion about the role of neoconservatives and the >> Israel lobby in the exploitation of 9/11 and the engineering of the >> Iraq War. >> >> Check this: >> >> Some weeks ago a character named Razl Dazl, logging in from >> Australia, appeared in the Yahoo group CTRL, spraying obscene and >> violent verbal abuse at anyone whom he tagged as an enemy of Israel >> (do a search in CTRL to sample his posts). Razl Dazl has refused >> to engage in any reasonable and factual discussion about Mideast >> politics, evades all substantive questions that come his way, and >> in general closely fits the profile of Jewish extremists and JDL >> members who have been disrupting and vandalizing cyberspace for >> decades. Their goal is never to win arguments, but simply to make >> all rational argument impossible, to shut down all discussion on >> topics they want to censor. >> >> I had trouble understanding why the moderator of CTRL allowed this >> fanatic to run roughshod over the group, violating the values of >> civility and scholarship which the group supposedly encouraged, but >> I said nothing. >> >> Then came the bombshell a week ago: Razl Dazl let slip that he had >> been coordinating his assaults on CTRL members in private email >> *with the moderator of the group*. In other words, the moderator >> behind the scenes was encouraging these vicious attacks on critics >> of Israel and the Israel lobby. >> >> Let that sink in and think about it. >> >> >> Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:55 pm >> Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> This particular op started over a year ago, very similar to the CIA- >> Drugs op, when "Sean" joined then the trolls began to show up with >> Raz in March, Eastman in May, abunch in June and a big action right >> after the commencement of hostilities. Much will be posted later. >> And "guys" if your are thinking of deleting or changing archives >> and other materials, I already have copies. Doesn't really take up >> too much space. >> >> Ok so here is the mentioned email, notice a couple of >> misdirections, including one by a "what the f*ck" hard to >> understand troll, (that way folks can take away whatever they read. >> >> But first this "offending" post by troll raz. First off, they >> hadn't been able to engage me yet, especially about list dynamics, >> (banning, etc) For list dynamics reflects the list owner, psycho >> babble. So, they had Raz pulls a post from another list to make his >> comment on. As folks know, my personal post to any member are very >> rare, especially not to some new spittle guy. And they also knew >> they couldn't have Raz say he got one from me, because crazy old >> guy I am, I would probably ask Raz to produce, etc. And it drags >> back the email forgery that was done before.. So the play, is as it >> was done. >> >> Now, "they" know that I am going to accuse "Sean" of being Chip >> Berlet (Because he is). So they pre-empt that charge and try and >> make it silly and has always they try and pack many different >> options/objectives within each mission. So the crazy , foul- >> mouthed, spittle, looney Israeli and anit-Sean guy gets the duty >> and in a way that denigrates me. Because what side do they wish me >> to be associated with? (psst ? the Jews). >> >> Now let's notice what is actually posted -- >> >> "The Moderator of one list has already e-mailed me off-list, claiming >> that "Sean McBride" is in fact a well-known IMPOSTOR, and a government >> agent." >> >> Notice, that what "Sean" reports is a lie. Raz wrote the "Moderator >> of one list." Raz doesn't actually say the ctrl list. >> >> And another misdirection, because most folks aren't going to go >> look, they are going to take erudite "Sean's" word for it. And they >> lay down another blind past that, which I will show you later. But >> the big misdirection is that "Sean" says "Then came the bombshell a >> week ago: Razl Dazl let slip that he had been coordinating his >> assaults on CTRL members in private email *with the moderator of >> the group*. In other words, the moderator behind the scenes was >> encouraging these vicious attacks on critics of Israel and the >> Israel lobby." >> >> Well, if you notice the post isn't a week ago but just 4 days ago. >> >> Here is raz's troll post: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctrl/message/78803 >> Re: [Conspiracy-Theory] IT IS "BLOCK SENDER" - Anti semite can't tak >> Message List >> >> Reply | Forward | Delete >> >> Message #78803 of 82366 < Prev < Prev | Next > Next > >> Joni Ferris wrote: >> > Dick Eastman will spew hatred against Jews/Zionists/Israel but can't >> > take the HEAT when it is ON HIM! >> > They only want to spout their propaganda - it is their only way >> since >> > they have NO REAL FACTS! >> > -- Joni >> > >> >> Hahahaha!!! >> >> So absolutely TRUE! Not to mention his drooling, irrational and >> treasonous hatred of the United States. >> >> Or his hate for fellow Americans, Christians and moderate Muslims >> alike >> -and his obvious support for a terrorist Jihad against the West; since >> he consistently fails to condemn their terror, or their doctrine of >> annihilation of the West, which he has had plenty of opportunity to do >> -given Islamic terror occurs on a near-daily basis, but rather, he >> seeks >> to divert blame and attention elsewhere; like the disinformer that he >> actually is. >> >> In preference, he gives succour to the same propaganda sentiments of >> Islamo-Fascists on these lists, and those in-your-face Nazi's, who >> post >> chapter and verse from Mein Kampf (see archives) here! without ever a >> word of protest from this phoney, self-claimed "Liberal," and anti- >> Free >> Speech advocate -dopey "DICK!" >> >> When again challenged, he begins to froth, and stomp his senile >> feet up >> an down, like the cry-baby neo-Nazi goon that he is! >> >> His scrotum-liking yapping poodle, another impostor "Sean McBride" is >> just as irrational, and just as hilarious and rib-cracking funny to >> observe -the apoplectic monkey's! hahahaha! >> >> "Both" are self-loathing, utterly rabid anti-Semites and American >> traitors, supporting Islamic Jihad terror against the West and >> Americans >> since they never denounce it, but try and blame the victims, >> America and >> Israel, the core targets of their odious Islamic, neo-Nazi sputum. >> >> "One" is an overt neo-Nazi -the "other" behaves like a yapping >> Stalinist >> muppet -who is now better known as "Commissar Poodle" -but for all >> intents and purposes, they are indistinguishable. >> >> The Moderator of one list has already e-mailed me off-list, claiming >> that "Sean McBride" is in fact a well-known IMPOSTOR, and a government >> agent. >> >> As for brainsick "DICK," -obviously it doesn't take much heat at all; >> since his pudding-head was already half-baked! >> >> Razz >> >> Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:15 pm >> razl dazl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Now for the icing on the cake, kicker ? ta da ? the troll trailer. >> >> A couple of things. Now if "Sean" wanted to he could send them righ >> to the offending post ? but does not. >> >> He could have supplied the direct url or had folks search raz and >> the word moderator. But, no, "Sean" fans the bigotry so as to >> lessen true logical thought processing. >> >> Next, the sometimes relapsing neo-nazi adds some new information. >> Without a source, and I have checked Raz doesn't say on ctrl that >> he is a writer or works on any magazine. That lie/false meme is >> laid down because of these folk's animus towards my friend Duncan >> Roads, publisher of Nexus Magazine. I would say more likely that >> Razz and Holmgren know each other. and then who knows what tricks >> could be performed at Pine Gap? and then this troll gives my >> initials, so that "Sean" doesn't dirty his hands with actually >> fingering me. "Sean" is so above the fray with his superior >> intellect, don't ya know ? >> >> More later, >> >> Peace, >> Kris Millegan >> >> >> >> "And Rezl Dazl is a pseudonym of somebody publishing a magazine in >> > Australia? >> > >> > But yes, we live in really inquisitorial times, and people >> discuss all >> > kind of tools, how too handle antagonists. I wouldn't say it could >> > never happen to me. >> > >> > And were they a good team, Razl Dazl and K.M.?" >> >> >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/message/19965 >> >> Israeli Ops in Internet Forums >> Topic List < Prev Topic | Next Topic > >> >> Reply | Forward >> < Prev Message | Next Message > >> >> Re: [political-research] Re: Israeli Ops in Internet Forums >> >> Go to the Yahoo group for CTRL here: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctrl/ >> >> Use advanced search on author "razl" and you will turn up over 300 >> posts. >> >> Use advanced search on author "razl" and subject "poodle" and you >> will turn up more than a dozen posts which capture his stream of >> demented obscenities. >> >> Following are some of Razl Dazl's favorite expressions -- he has a >> special hatred for Roman Catholics. He suffers from a mental >> disorder, coprolalia, which frequently pops in extremists with his >> particular profile: >> >> arseholes >> barking mad >> boot-licking Evangelicals >> boy fucker >> Christo-Fascis* >> cock sucking moron >> conspiracism >> delusional >> deranged >> drivel >> eat their own shit >> faecal matter >> faeces >> feel shit >> filthy & sadistic Roman Catholic predators >> infest* >> Islamaniacs >> Islamo-Fascists >> Islamofascists >> Jew-envy >> Judeophobes >> lick the pope's ass >> lunatic* >> lying piece of shit >> lying sack of shit >> mouldy smegma >> perfidious Jews >> play with shit >> priestcraft >> privy to >> racist Judeophobes >> racist* >> rancid smegma >> Roman Catholic priestly vermin >> sack of shit >> scrotum licking >> shit >> smear shit >> smegma >> sphincter >> sphincter spasm >> splatter >> surmise >> the pope's filthy and vile henchmen >> throbbing sphincter >> touch shit >> >> >> LeaNder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I found no Razl Dazl, no Dick Eastman either, is this the kind of >> exchange you are alluding to: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg119513.html >> >> Well as you might imagine the devil is always in the detail >> NO majority of Germans voted Hitler. In some parts yes, in others >> no, and in all of Germany they had no majority; the NSDAP needed >> help to get into power. I am just getting sick of this argument. >> >> I mailed the guy this: >> >> NO MAJORITY ELECTED THE NAZIS; in some parts yes, >> >> http://www.altenstaedt.de/Politik/Wahlen_in_Altenstadt/ >> Wahlen_Historie/wahlen_historie.html#1933 >> Here for instance 65,3% NSDAP (...) >> >> but concerning the whole election, too much yes, but the majority, NO: >> >> All of Germany 44,5% >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstagswahl_1933 >> >> I bit simplified here: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_rise_to_power >> >> The engineering of Hitler's 30 January appointment >> >> The maverick ex-Centre party leader and ex-chancellor von Papen was >> the chief engineer for Hitlerism. He squared the Industrial Magnates >> and business class, squared the Bankers, squared the weapon-hungry >> Officer class and, through his personal influence with President Paul >> von Hindenburg, squared the landed Junkers. Von Papen intrigued >> between Hindenburg's son Oskar and the still despised Adolf Hitler. He >> then squared the Church through his aristocratic Catholic credentials >> and Vatican contacts made during his own Chancellorship. Von Papen >> persuaded Hindenburg to appoint Hitler into the 30 January 1933 >> minority and appointed cabinet with the aim of ensuring that he, von >> Papen and the vested German political forces, would control Hitler. He >> is famous for saying that Now we have him where we can control him. >> Hindenburg accepted this DNVP/Nazi majority and rejected or did not >> understand the last minute von Schleicher threat of an Army putsch to >> resolve the crisis. Such a threat would, in fact, have saved the >> country from Nazism, but it was anathema to the terminating >> presidential ambition. (See Wheeler-Bennett.) >> >> Die Nacht der Langen Messer: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives >> >> We should add that the US specialist were very impressed by Hitler's >> control of the masses, and early felt this would be something to >> study. This is not to say anything about now; it's just a little bit >> of evidence in the long tradition of Machavellism and Poltics: >> >> http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/donovan/hitler/ >> >> Dr. Henry A. Murray >> Analysis of the Personality of Adolph Hitler >> With Predictions of His Future Behavior and Suggestions >> for Dealing with Him Now and After Germany's Surrender >> >> > >> > Judging by the writing style, I don't think that RD is anyone we >> know. Judge for yourself by reading some samples of his posts, which >> peg the meter for demented obscenity. >> > >> > LeaNder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > "> Then came the bombshell a week ago: Razl Dazl let slip that he >> > had been coordinating his assaults on CTRL members in private email >> > *with the moderator of the group*. In other words, the moderator >> > behind the scenes was encouraging these vicious attacks on critics >> > of Israel and the Israel lobby." >> > >> > And Rezl Dazl is a pseudonym of somebody publishing a magazine in >> > Australia? >> > >> > But yes, we live in really inquisitorial times, and people >> discuss all >> > kind of tools, how too handle antagonists. I wouldn't say it could >> > never happen to me. >> > >> > And were they a good team, Razl Dazl and K.M.? >> > >> > Send a link to your favorite passages. >> > >> > -b >> > >> > > >> > > It sunk, and I find it ironic that the same person who claims to >> > > oppose the suppression of discussion about the "Israel lobby" >> on the >> > > Net, would suppress any opposing views of one the first >> > > men to state after 911 that, "Israel had nothing to do with 911." >> > > >> > > Something for *you* to think about as you *EHEM* "take those old >> > > records off the shelf." >> > > >> > > --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride >> > > <smcbride2@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Israeli Ops in Internet Forums >> > > > >> > > > File this under possibly significant. >> > > > >> > > > Some folks here will be aware of some peculiar anomalies and >> > > behavior surrounding cia-drugs in recent years. In particular, a >> > > certain faction in cia-drugs went to extraordinary lengths to >> try to >> > > suppress discussion about the role of neoconservatives and the >> > > Israel lobby in the exploitation of 9/11 and the engineering of >> the >> > > Iraq War. >> > > > >> > > > Check this: >> > > > >> > > > Some weeks ago a character named Razl Dazl, logging in from >> > > Australia, appeared in the Yahoo group CTRL, spraying obscene and >> > > violent verbal abuse at anyone whom he tagged as an enemy of >> Israel >> > > (do a search in CTRL to sample his posts). Razl Dazl has >> refused to >> > > engage in any reasonable and factual discussion about Mideast >> > > politics, evades all substantive questions that come his way, >> and in >> > > general closely fits the profile of Jewish extremists and JDL >> > > members who have been disrupting and vandalizing cyberspace for >> > > decades. Their goal is never to win arguments, but simply to make >> > > all rational argument impossible, to shut down all discussion on >> > > topics they want to censor. >> > > > >> > > > I had trouble understanding why the moderator of CTRL allowed >> > > this fanatic to run roughshod over the group, violating the values >> > > of civility and scholarship which the group supposedly encouraged, >> > > but I said nothing. >> > > > >> > > > Then came the bombshell a week ago: Razl Dazl let slip that he >> > > had been coordinating his assaults on CTRL members in private >> email >> > > *with the moderator of the group*. In other words, the moderator >> > > behind the scenes was encouraging these vicious attacks on critics >> > > of Israel and the Israel lobby. >> > > > >> > > > Let that sink in and think about it. >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> www.ctrl.org >>> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >>> ========== >>> CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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