Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-02-03 Thread Leo germani
movieola On Feb 3, 2008 9:07 AM, Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Friday 01 February 2008 18:44, Cory K. wrote: > > No. Its not part of Ubuntu Studio. The license issues were just too > > much. We did however endorse muzzol's repo. > > endorse as in "propose and tell people a

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-02-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Friday 01 February 2008 18:44, Cory K. wrote: > No. Its not part of Ubuntu Studio. The license issues were just too > much. We did however endorse muzzol's repo. endorse as in "propose and tell people about it" or by proving a installer package or such? > Whatever comes from this new eff

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-02-01 Thread Cory K.
Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Sunday 27 January 2008 05:42, Cory K. wrote: > >> I just wanted to throw this one out there. "Freecine" >> > > I actually like that name. > > And it reminded me of another option, "icecine", but I think I like FreeCine > much better :-) > > >> While ha

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-02-01 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sunday 27 January 2008 05:42, Cory K. wrote: > I just wanted to throw this one out there. "Freecine" I actually like that name. And it reminded me of another option, "icecine", but I think I like FreeCine much better :-) > While hammering on it to try to free it up to get it into Debia

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-30 Thread Timothy Baldridge
Or you could do what Blender does (www.blender.org) and use Opengl for the entire GUI. That way it's accelerated as well, and you're not bound to any platform. For those who don't have OpenGL (which is about %0.0001 of the users) you can always statically link to mesa.

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-30 Thread Burkhard Plaum
Hi, Graham Evans schrieb: Thinking about distributed rendering, plugins should of course never assume an X11-connection. Can't we have rendering that uses Open GL hardware acceleration then? If OpenGL support is available, it should be possible to use it of course. But if not, things s

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-30 Thread Graham Evans
Thinking about distributed rendering, plugins should of course never assume an X11-connection. Can't we have rendering that uses Open GL hardware acceleration then? (And then of course distributed rendering with hardware acceleration on the nodes...) ...long long long term wish list of c

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-29 Thread William Witt
Cory K. wrote: I just wanted to throw this one out there. "Freecine" While hammering on it to try to free it up to get it into Debian/Ubuntu we considered a name change because of all the changes and to make it clear it was different than Cinelerra. If a more original name is wanted I understan

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Jonathan Woithe
Hi > For my two cents, the reasons Cinelerra doesn't seem to be worth my time > and effort are: > : >- It won't build. > : > "It won't build" - I should never be told that a needed library is > "missing" when the library in question is already installed on my system; To add fuel onto the fire

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Johannes Sixt
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 22:11, Herman Robak wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:50:15 +0100, Johannes Sixt > > He also seems to think that everyone has the right to fork > > Cinelerra and still call the fork "Cinelerra" without the original > > author's consent, which is at least morally an obnoxiou

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Richard Spindler
2008/1/29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > obviously you didn't get my point... > > > * Requiring Plugins to provide random access to frames is nice in theory, > > but in > > practice, many iterative Video Filters exist and produce nice Visuals. > > I wasn't talking about "theory" but poi

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread prg
Am Dienstag, den 29.01.2008, 21:27 +0100 schrieb Richard Spindler: 2008/1/29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > You should note though that the individual render node *must not* hold > > any time varying data because of thread safety. Any data will be passed > > in as "frames" (video, audi

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Herman Robak
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:50:15 +0100, Johannes Sixt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2008 16:19, Herman Robak wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:58:49 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For my two cents, the reasons Cinelerra doesn't seem to be worth my time > and effort are: > >

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Johannes Sixt
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 16:19, Herman Robak wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:58:49 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For my two cents, the reasons Cinelerra doesn't seem to be worth my time > > and effort are: > > > >- It crashes. > >- It won't build. > >- It can't handle DV. > >

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Richard Spindler
2008/1/29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You should note though that the individual render node *must not* hold > any time varying data because of thread safety. Any data will be passed > in as "frames" (video, audio, control data) with the individual "pull" > calls for rendering. The re

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread prg
Christian Thaeter schrieb: > > I'd rather separate plugin rendering functionality, parameter passing > > and the gui. > Am Dienstag, den 29.01.2008, 19:11 +0100 schrieb Burkhard Plaum: > IMO GUI and rendering can (and should) be separated. But > - parameters are affected by the GUI > - rendering i

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Scott C. Frase
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 16:19 +0100, Herman Robak wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:58:49 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Herman Robak wrote: > >> For you an me? Very little. But please realise how irrelevant that > >> is. > > I am not stating that _I_ will ask th

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Burkhard Plaum
Hi, Christian Thaeter schrieb: Burkhard Plaum wrote: [...] My suggestion is the following: - Define a set of abstracted widgets, which are already sufficient for > 95% of all plugins. The advantages are: * Those plugins never have to mess around with a GUI. * Those plugins can more easi

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Christian Thaeter
Burkhard Plaum wrote: > Hi, > > Christian Thaeter schrieb: > >> Moreover when plugins want to provide gui's on themself (dialog window >> for configuration, timeline rendering, mask overlays, patchbay >> widgets,...) these should/must use the toolkit a upcoming gui uses. So >> we have the choice

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Burkhard Plaum
Hi, Christian Thaeter schrieb: Moreover when plugins want to provide gui's on themself (dialog window for configuration, timeline rendering, mask overlays, patchbay widgets,...) these should/must use the toolkit a upcoming gui uses. So we have the choice of either decide on a tookit or we wrap

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Herman Robak
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:58:49 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Herman Robak wrote: For you an me? Very little. But please realise how irrelevant that is. I am not stating that _I_ will ask that GUI beautification shall become top priority. I won't! I just had to e

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread mskala
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Herman Robak wrote: > For you an me? Very little. But please realise how irrelevant that is. > Potential users and developers think Cinelerra is "stuck in the 90s" > because of its GUI. Users believe the whole application must suck at > least as much as its GUI. Developer

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Christian Thaeter
Herman Robak wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:39:11 +0100, Hannu Vuolasaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:44:28 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Theoretically a nice Idea, but remember that a NLE can have very >>> complex, custom Widgets, like the Timeline and Previe

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Herman Robak
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:39:11 +0100, Hannu Vuolasaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:44:28 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theoretically a nice Idea, but remember that a NLE can have very complex, custom Widgets, like the Timeline and Previews, these should ideally be writte

RE: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-29 Thread Hannu Vuolasaho
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no > Subject: Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3" > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:44:28 +0100 > Theoretically a nice Idea, but remember that a NLE can have very > complex, custom Widgets, like the Timeline and Previews, these should &g

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-28 Thread Richard Spindler
2008/1/29, David Kletzli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If the backend is built properly, then you could write a front-end for your > desktop of choice. Kind of like how there are several GUIs to run > cdrecorder - only more complex. Theoretically a nice Idea, but remember that a NLE can have very comple

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-28 Thread David Kletzli
How about "all of the above"? (but make the KDE one first :) ) If the backend is built properly, then you could write a front-end for your desktop of choice. Kind of like how there are several GUIs to run cdrecorder - only more complex. On Sunday 27 January 2008 06:48, Herman Robak wrote: > On

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Florian Cramer ha scritto: Cine-Eye or a phonetic variation thereof, after Dziga Vertov, and in honor of his inventions in cinematography and editing (such as in "The Man with the Movie Camera"). -F And why not in honor of change... CINERA Cin(elerra)Era(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Er

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-28 Thread Florian Cramer
Cine-Eye or a phonetic variation thereof, after Dziga Vertov, and in honor of his inventions in cinematography and editing (such as in "The Man with the Movie Camera"). -F -- http://cramer.plaintext.cc:70 gopher://cramer.plaintext.cc ___ Cinelerra

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-27 Thread Matt Jordan
Maybe... NLErra? (Pronounced to rhyme with Cinelerra.) Or... NLEos? (non-linear editing open source) nlever? (give me the right fulcrum and lever and I can edit anything!) nleapfrog? (for a "cute" mascot) NLEasy? (might be a lot to live up to) I'll stop for now. Matt Jordan

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-27 Thread Norval Watson
How about CineCV? Norv Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinele

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-27 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008, IL'dar AKHmetgaleev wrote: > I propose CineterraCV. CinerellaCV ;) ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-27 Thread IL'dar AKHmetgaleev
На Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:21:14 +0200 Дмитрий Пекаровский <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> записано: > PS But, you can add to program a secret name - for ex. "Polundrra" ;) Why not Katastroffa? I propose CineterraCV. -- Вск Янв 27 20:51:54 KRAT 2008 Sun Jan 27 13:51:54 UTC 2008 ---

Re: [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-27 Thread Cory K.
Дмитрий Пекаровский wrote: > Hi. > > "Cinelerra-3" is still very good, IMHO. > Do not repair that has not broken. :) > > //Dimytch > > PS But, you can add to program a secret name - for ex. "Polundrra" ;) I threw another name out there because of: https://init.linpro.no/pipermail/skolelinux.no/ci

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] [CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-27 Thread Дмитрий Пекаровский
Hi. "Cinelerra-3" is still very good, IMHO. Do not repair that has not broken. :) //Dimytch PS But, you can add to program a secret name - for ex. "Polundrra" ;) ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolel

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-27 Thread Herman Robak
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:52:58 +0100, rc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... Well, which user interface toolkit ? Kde, Gtk ? But, this is perhaps already decided? No it isn't. And it may take a while before the choice becomes relevant. The current work is on the backend. -- Herman Robak

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-27 Thread Thomas Ronner
rc wrote: Well, which user interface toolkit ? Kde, Gtk ? Let the flamewars begin ;-) Raph Thomas ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra

[CinCVS] Cin-3 naming.

2008-01-27 Thread Cory K.
I just wanted to throw this one out there. "Freecine" While hammering on it to try to free it up to get it into Debian/Ubuntu we considered a name change because of all the changes and to make it clear it was different than Cinelerra. If a more original name is wanted I understand. :P I'm glad t

Re: [CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-27 Thread rc
Ichthyostega a écrit : Christian focused on the data backend, including data access, support library, plugin system, organizing video and audio frame handling based on existing external libraries and planning a frame cache system that will go beyond what Cinelerra provides today. This part will b

[CinCVS] "Cin-3"

2008-01-25 Thread Ichthyostega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Herman Robak schrieb: > I am glad you asked. "Cin3" is a not even a fork of Cinelerra, > it's a rewrite. > It's about time to get another name. We needed that extra push. Heroine Virtual Ltd. schrieb: > Could you rename it something besides Cinelerr