Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
On 23/02/2023 19:32, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: Cisco have lost the plot, IMHO. Every solution at every level of the network is now a bulldozer searching for a tiny nail to hammer. Mark. So well said. -Hank ___ cisco-nsp mailing list

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 21:45, Shawn L via cisco-nsp wrote: That's one of the major reasons we're sticking with the ASR920 in metro deployments for all it's faults. They do silly license stuff on the 12SZ (no bulk, make all the 10G ports work license) but once you figure out their quirks they do work

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 21:34, Phil Bedard wrote: The original question was around an Internet border router with 10G support.   We have devices like the 55A2-MOD-SE which is similar to some other vendor devices (somewhat of a reference Broadcom design) which we’ve seen be very popular in border router

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Shawn L via cisco-nsp
That's one of the major reasons we're sticking with the ASR920 in metro deployments for all it's faults. They do silly license stuff on the 12SZ (no bulk, make all the 10G ports work license) but once you figure out their quirks they do work quite well. We did just receive a 9901 (purchased 6

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
The original question was around an Internet border router with 10G support. We have devices like the 55A2-MOD-SE which is similar to some other vendor devices (somewhat of a reference Broadcom design) which we’ve seen be very popular in border router deployments where you do not need a ton

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 19:20, Brian Turnbow wrote: They also seem to want to follow the same route in metro with the NCS540s and this global bandwidth licensing bucket. You want to turn up 2x100 and 24*10 on a box? Buy 44 "essential right to use v1 for 10g" and all the shabangs that come with it that

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Brian Turnbow via cisco-nsp
Hi > > So if Cisco price themselves out of the market with their flagship Ethernet > box > - the ASR9000 - that just makes it easier for customers to consider Juniper, > Arista, Nokia, e.t.c. They also seem to want to follow the same route in metro with the NCS540s and this global bandwidth

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 14:12, Alexandr Gurbo wrote: For 10g speeds the best solution is a linux box and a contract with an anti ddos partner. Or even a server with a hypervisor running, say, CSR1000v or vMX or vSR will do nicely. A little pricier than Linux, but likely worth it if you have a decent

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 13:47, Gert Doering wrote: Basically they have "fixed" that by making the ASR9901/9902/9903 even more expensive. And hence, why we consider other vendors. I mean, the general rule for networking today, is Ethernet. Even in some of the most far-flung regions of the world, one

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Gert Doering via cisco-nsp
Hi, On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 09:40:26AM +0200, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: > The issue they face is Ethernet-centric platforms are much more > optimized for today's Internet, and platforms like the ASR1000 simply > don't make sense anymore. Why pay all that to get some Ethernet on an >