Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-07-02 Thread Pete Lumbis
2x CPUs. One for control plane, one for data plane. The CPUs have different architecture so you can't cross the streams. Since IOS-XE does packet processing so much differently than classic IOS multiple cores are actually useful now for moving packets. This is what the 4451 does. On Fri, Jun 28,

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-28 Thread Antoine Monnier
but does that new 4400 have hardware-based forwarding like the ASR1K or software-based/generic-CPU forwarding like the ISR G2 ? if it is the latter, like for the G2 I would expect the actual performance to vary greatly depending on features used, packet size, etc. So I am hoping it's the former...

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-28 Thread John Kougoulos
hmmm The Cisco 4451-X data plane uses an emulated Quantum Flow Processor (QFP) that delivers application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC)-like performance that does not degrade as services are added. --koug On Fri, 28 Jun 2013, Antoine Monnier wrote: but does that new 4400 have

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-06-28 13:24 +0300), John Kougoulos wrote: The Cisco 4451-X data plane uses an emulated Quantum Flow Processor (QFP) that delivers application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC)-like performance that does not degrade as services are added. I was surprised by this. I would have

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-28 Thread quinn snyder
per earlier emails -- this provides emulated qfp-like behaviour. i believe they use commodity silicon to provide this emulation, but exact make/manufacture escapes me. while this is based on bu slicks -- the 4451 loses nothing with services enablement (nat, h-qos, etc). i believe that all

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-06-26 23:30 +), Dobbins, Roland wrote: But can cisco afford to have three quite similar product lines, that are expensive to maintain? Cisco isn't really a unitary company, it's a loose confederation of semi-feudal fifedoms, each with its own PL. Effectively, they're

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Chris Welti
For those interested in the technical details, the slides for BRKARC-3486 are up at: http://t.co/ZncyGrhHX9 Slide 24 seems to indicate that the current Sup2T can support 440G/slot using higher clock frequencies for the fabric connections and 4 instead of 2 fabric connections per linecard. I

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Tom Hill
On 2013-06-27 08:44, Chris Welti wrote: For those interested in the technical details, the slides for BRKARC-3486 are up at: http://t.co/ZncyGrhHX9 Slide 24 seems to indicate that the current Sup2T can support 440G/slot using higher clock frequencies for the fabric connections and 4 instead of

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Chris Welti
Am 6/27/13 12:36 PM, schrieb Tom Hill: I've been told that 880G will need a new Supervisor. 440G will be like RSP440 in the ASR9K: you will need dual SUP2T to take advantage of it. With a single Supervisor the other changes, you'll have 220G per slot. (My understanding -- correct me if

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Dale W. Carder
Thus spake Jeff Kell (jeff-k...@utc.edu) on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:19:31PM -0400: On 6/26/2013 11:10 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: It just seems like the new 6k is positioned to poach prospective customers from the (arguably) higher-margin Nexus 7k product line. Now that you mention the

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Phil Mayers
On 27/06/13 13:38, Dale W. Carder wrote: Thus spake Jeff Kell (jeff-k...@utc.edu) on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:19:31PM -0400: On 6/26/2013 11:10 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: It just seems like the new 6k is positioned to poach prospective customers from the (arguably) higher-margin Nexus 7k

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 03:01:38PM +0100, Phil Mayers wrote: Baffled that they removed the CMP on later SUPs though; seemed like a seriously good feature, and it's very hard to believe customers didn't want it Happy customers do not put things into requirement documents that they

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Tom Hill wrote: I'm quite annoyed that there aren't any newer line cards announced that take advantage of faster SerDes rates (as your existing X6800/X6900 series line cards will not run any faster) but then I seem to recall 6500-E came a short while before

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Scott Voll
As for the 4xxx I had this conversation before cisco live It fits between the isrg2 and the asr Do to bandwidth requirements and added features it fits well in the 500mb to gig with services.. Ymmv Scott On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Jun 27, 2013, at 10:10

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread Scott Voll
Per the cisco live session I was in... I believe it's layer three was 160gbps I'm not pushing anything close so it works well for us. 6k's could be an option but the push factor is that they don't have the FC. Or unified ports. For us the 5548ups work great. Ymmv Scott On Wednesday,

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-27 Thread quinn snyder
actual performance on the 4451 (this is the only isr4400 model) -- will be up to 2gbps with the license upgrade. according to the bu -- this is with services enabled. q. -= sent via iphone. please excuse spelling, grammar, and brevity =- On Jun 27, 2013, at 9:16, Scott Voll

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Phil Mayers
On 09/06/13 20:58, Rinse Kloek wrote: Hi, Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k chassis ? The new Catalyst 6807-XL chassis will be able to scale up to 220-880Gbps per slot with feature linecards/sup. The chassis will be compatible with the current SUP2T supervisor. These are on

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Scott Voll
Announced at cisco live yesterday I believe Scott On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, Phil Mayers wrote: On 09/06/13 20:58, Rinse Kloek wrote: Hi, Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k chassis ? The new Catalyst 6807-XL chassis will be able to scale up to 220-880Gbps per slot

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Chris Evans
New Nexus 7710 and 7718 chassis and F3 line modules announced too.. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.ukwrote: On 09/06/13 20:58, Rinse Kloek wrote: Hi, Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k chassis ? The new Catalyst 6807-XL chassis will be

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:38:16PM +0100, Phil Mayers wrote: Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k chassis ? The new Catalyst 6807-XL chassis will be able to scale up to 220-880Gbps per slot with feature linecards/sup. The chassis will be compatible with the current SUP2T

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:56:00PM -0700, Scott Voll wrote: Nothing at cisco live shows the nexus, asr, or cats going away anytime soon. Sure. But can cisco afford to have three quite similar product lines, that are expensive to maintain? Are they willing to? (I know that there's lots of

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Aled Morris
7700 seems to be a very different beast from the existing 7000 too. No hardware in common it seems. Aled On 26 June 2013 20:10, Gert Doering g...@greenie.muc.de wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:38:16PM +0100, Phil Mayers wrote: Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Scott Voll
Nothing at cisco live shows the nexus, asr, or cats going away anytime soon. Ymmv Scott On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:38:16PM +0100, Phil Mayers wrote: Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k chassis ? The new Catalyst

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Andrew Miehs
The 6708 supports up to 880 Gb per slot - whatever that means Sent from a mobile device On 27/06/2013, at 5:10, Gert Doering g...@greenie.muc.de wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:38:16PM +0100, Phil Mayers wrote: Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k chassis ? The

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jun 27, 2013, at 3:40 AM, Gert Doering wrote: But can cisco afford to have three quite similar product lines, that are expensive to maintain? Cisco isn't really a unitary company, it's a loose confederation of semi-feudal fifedoms, each with its own PL. Effectively, they're separate

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Dobbins, Roland wrote: Cisco isn't really a unitary company, it's a loose confederation of semi-feudal fifedoms, each with its own PL. Effectively, they're separate companies utilizing a common branding/marketing framework and shared administrative resources. This

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jun 27, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: It just seems like the new 6k is positioned to poach prospective customers from the (arguably) higher-margin Nexus 7k product line. Not 'just seems' - 'is'. Just as the new fixed-config one is positioned to poach prospective customers

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Jeff Kell
On 6/26/2013 11:10 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: It just seems like the new 6k is positioned to poach prospective customers from the (arguably) higher-margin Nexus 7k product line. Now that you mention the N-word I have to ask (as we're looking into a deployment)... how much of it is ready for

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Jeff Kell wrote: On 6/26/2013 11:10 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: It just seems like the new 6k is positioned to poach prospective customers from the (arguably) higher-margin Nexus 7k product line. Now that you mention the N-word I have to ask (as we're looking into a

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-26 Thread Andrew Miehs
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote: It just seems like the new 6k is positioned to poach prospective customers from the (arguably) higher-margin Nexus 7k product line. Looks like we will start needing to be careful with names to differentiate

Re: [c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-10 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Rinse Kloek wrote: Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k chassis ? The new Catalyst 6807-XL chassis will be able to scale up to 220-880Gbps per slot with feature linecards/sup. The chassis will be compatible with the current SUP2T supervisor. Also reading

[c-nsp] New Catalyst 6k chassis

2013-06-09 Thread Rinse Kloek
Hi, Can someone confirm rumors about the new Catalyst 6k chassis ? The new Catalyst 6807-XL chassis will be able to scale up to 220-880Gbps per slot with feature linecards/sup. The chassis will be compatible with the current SUP2T supervisor. Also reading there will be a fixed chassis