Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:23:47 PM Reuben Farrelly wrote: It would have been fantastic if we could run MPLS over IPv6 transport instead as this would have been a totally moot point then, but I don't think that's an option yet :-( Maybe with SR, we might. Mark. signature.asc

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday, March 11, 2013 02:18:39 PM Gordon Bryan wrote: I think I'll stick with public IPs on the core, aggerssive iACLs on ingress and the Internet in the global table. This for me seems the simplest, most supportable and widely deployed option. Since there is also no current MPLS

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013, Gordon Bryan wrote: Also, even in a completely private core, a PE still becomes exposed to the outside world on its PE-to-CE interface when delivering Internet services. Has anyone developed any proficient methods for locking down these interfaces and making them

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-03-10 21:44 +), Gordon Bryan wrote: I like the concept of private addressing (core hiding being one) but having never seen it deployed in anger I'm concerned that it might not be as simple as it seems and may break other things. I've read that traceroute and PMTUD are at risk

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 09:44:12PM +, Gordon Bryan wrote: I like the concept of private addressing (core hiding being one) but having never seen it deployed in anger I'm concerned that it might not be as simple as it seems and may break other things. I've read that traceroute and

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Gordon Bryan
Bryan cisco_resou...@yahoo.co.uk; Cisco NSP cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2013, 22:28 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core How many upstream you planned? Size of you network? -- With best regards, Andrey 'sshd' Petrenko xmmp\gtalk: andy.petrenko at gmail.com skype

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Reuben Farrelly
On 11/03/2013 8:52 PM, Gordon Bryan wrote: Andrey/Andrew, It will be a very small network to begin with - single P router, single PE router and a number of switches for hosting. This will hopefuly quickly scale to a dual-site configuration with two P routers and two PE routers but even then it

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:18:31AM +, Gordon Bryan wrote: Can I ask what your thoughts are on core IP addressing? Do you have specified global ranges for this purpose with matching  iACLs or do you use another method altogether. We use a dedicated IPv4 /24 for all core links which

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Reuben Farrelly
On 11/03/2013 9:43 PM, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:18:31AM +, Gordon Bryan wrote: Can I ask what your thoughts are on core IP addressing? Do you have specified global ranges for this purpose with matching iACLs or do you use another method altogether. We use a

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-03-11 11:43 +0100), Gert Doering wrote: What we're currently not so good at is protect the PE-CE link - the We've solved this by not announcing the PE address of PE-CE. Occasionally we need to announce the CE address, maybe for management purposes, maybe for something else. Then we

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:54:25PM +0200, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2013-03-11 11:43 +0100), Gert Doering wrote: What we're currently not so good at is protect the PE-CE link - the We've solved this by not announcing the PE address of PE-CE. Occasionally we need to announce the CE

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-11 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Gert Doering Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:44 AM To: Gordon Bryan Cc: Gert Doering; Cisco NSP Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core Hi, On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:18:31AM +, Gordon Bryan

[c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-10 Thread Gordon Bryan
Hi Group,   I'm heading towards the final stages of planning a new MPLS core network and I'm currently stuck in two minds between public or private addressing for the core.   I like the concept of private addressing (core hiding being one) but having never seen it deployed in anger I'm

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-10 Thread Andrew Miehs
Sent from a mobile device On 11/03/2013, at 8:44, Gordon Bryan cisco_resou...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Group, I'm heading towards the final stages of planning a new MPLS core network and I'm currently stuck in two minds between public or private addressing for the core. Where do you

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-10 Thread Pshem Kowalczyk
Hi, The last two networks that I've build used private IP in the core - but neither of them ran Internet in the global table (both used VRFs for that). If you run L3vpns you should probably disable TTL propagation to avoid confusing your customers with 'weird' traceroutes. I also moved all the

Re: [c-nsp] Private IP in SP Core

2013-03-10 Thread Andrey Petrenko
How many upstream you planned? Size of you network? -- With best regards, Andrey 'sshd' Petrenko xmmp\gtalk: andy.petrenko at gmail.com skype: andy.petrenko web: http://sshd.by 11.03.2013, в 1:12, Andrew Miehs and...@2sheds.de написал(а): Sent from a mobile device On 11/03/2013, at