Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-08 Thread Jeff Kell
Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 04:05:24PM +0100, Stephen Wilcox wrote: your LAN would need to be very large or very unusual for you to see this as a problem One case where I've seen this cause more issues than just plain traffic is with centralized syslog servers. If

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-05 Thread Vincent De Keyzer
Steve, Saku, thanks for you continued interest in my problem :) I thought we were talking of non-PFC platforms but I re-read and we havent established what platform it is. In which case I would be wrong. And yes you can block them (port block unicast) but I'm not sure if that was what

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-05 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2007-07-05 17:41 +0300), Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: 1) you operate the L3 and L2 - match MAC and ARP timeout Default arp is 4h, default mac is 5m. Are there any recommended values? We've decreased ARP timeout to 5min when we've absolutely needed to sync them (good scenario is

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-05 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2007-07-05 14:44 +0200), Vincent De Keyzer wrote: The problem is: I am making the assumption that network performance on the LAN could be sub-optimal due to frequent unicast floods (i.e. switches are flooding all ports with unicast frames because it does not have the destination MAC

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-04 Thread Stephen Wilcox
Hi Vincent, I'm saying it works just fine but the implementation is sucky. I use it extensively but you just need to set your thresholds pretty high to make sure they arent tripped. I also usually have it just filter rather than shut the port that way it will auto-recover. As to what 'pretty

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-04 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2007-07-04 15:44 +0100), Stephen Wilcox wrote: I take it you mean unicast frames with mac addresses that are currently unknown to the switch on that port? In which case you cant limit it that way.. but you have two options: In risk of repeating myself, you can rate-limit them on PFC3C

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-04 Thread Stephen Wilcox
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 06:32:16PM +0300, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2007-07-04 15:44 +0100), Stephen Wilcox wrote: I take it you mean unicast frames with mac addresses that are currently unknown to the switch on that port? In which case you cant limit it that way.. but you have two options:

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-03 Thread Vincent De Keyzer
: lundi 2 juillet 2007 18:46 To: Vincent De Keyzer; Francois Ropert; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: RE: [c-nsp] Unicast storms It would be all unicast traffic measured in 1 second intervals , not just unknown destinations, so you might want to try setting up a rate limit with permit actions

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-03 Thread Vincent De Keyzer
Basically I have two answers now: 1. Eric points me to asymmetric traffic/routing and MAC/ARP timeouts 2. Stephen says unicast storm-control does not work properly by design (or because of Microsoft, depending on which side you are on :) Now, if anybody has successfully implemented unicast

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-03 Thread Brian Turnbow
-Original Message- From: Vincent De Keyzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: martedì 3 luglio 2007 14.43 To: Brian Turnbow; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: RE: [c-nsp] Unicast storms Brian, I don't think this is the way unicast storm-control is supposed to work. Of course the traffic

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-03 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:25:17PM -0400, Pickett, McLean (OCTO) wrote: The switch will only timeout the mac table entry if the host has failed to generate a single valid frame over the timeout period. The switch will then broadcast the first frame destined to the host and re-learn the

[c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-02 Thread Vincent De Keyzer
Hello, I have configured _unicast_ storm-control on our LAN recently, and it keeps kicking in all of the time (something like 50 times per hour). The configured treshhold is quite high (10% - that's 100 Mbps on GigE ports!...). I believe there is something wrong - where do I start

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-02 Thread Francois Ropert
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:54:57 +0200 Vincent De Keyzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have configured _unicast_ storm-control on our LAN recently, and it keeps kicking in all of the time (something like 50 times per hour). The configured treshhold is quite high (10% - that's 100

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-02 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2007-07-02 18:01 +0200), Vincent De Keyzer wrote: I have snmp, but this is not my understanding of unicast storm: as far as I understand, unicast storm is defined as traffic with an unknown destination MAC address. I'm afraid your understanding is incorrect. Only platform where unknown

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-02 Thread Pickett, McLean (OCTO)
if the mac address in the router's cache is no longer valid and does not exist on the network. McLean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Spaeth Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:04 PM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-02 Thread Stephen Wilcox
Hi Vincent, I've seen this too, its very annoying. The reason is it is sampling the rate over a 1 or 2 second interval as opposed to the interface rate which by default is 5 minutes altho you can go to as low as 30s (load-interval 30). Cisco: it would be very nice if we could tune that

Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms

2007-07-02 Thread Eric Spaeth
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Spaeth Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:04 PM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Unicast storms If you have HSRP enabled on layer-3 switches, make sure that the mac-address-table aging-time is set to 14400 seconds or better so that it will not age out