[c-nsp] Right IOS for 7600

2009-03-16 Thread Wyatt Mattias Gyllenvarg
Hi All

Asking you real IOS gurus out there for the production options on IOS upgrades.

Where running 7600 Sup720PFC3BLX
OSPF
BGP
and wish too add
microFlow policing
Netflow
Currently on 12.2(18)SXF7

I understand that are several trains too choose from.

Best Regards
Mattias Gyllenvarg
Omnitron
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[c-nsp] Router failure - config lost?

2009-03-16 Thread Garry
Hi *

I've got something of a question that's not necessarily a clear
technical problem or config problem ... rather just scoping as to
whether other people have come across this, too ...

We have a customer who has some 400+ locations. All of these are
connected to the central office via an MPLS-based network, using aDSL
lines. Every location has an identical 876-W-G-E-k9 router, with (apart
from DSL username and IP address) identical config. This network has now
been in operation for something like 18 months, and is working nicely.

Now, on average 1-2 locations per month go down, losing DSL
connectivity, and even a power-cycle and DSL port reset by the
DSL-provider won't work, at which point we configure a replacement
router and send it out. We usually get the defective router back for
analysis, and apart from a hand full of cases in which the routers where
physically damaged (lightning, spikes on the power supply etc.), most of
the defective routers have simply lost their configuration file. On one
occasion, the whole router flash was cleared, removing the IOS. On yet
another occasion, I think we found the stock config file (the one with
the large header, cisco login etc.) on the router (which I thought was
really weird).

In all those cases, we have opted to re-use the router, if for nothing
else than to see whether it was an actual hardware defect ... to date,
no router has shown that behavior twice (we track the ser#).

As for the configs/routers themselves, the locations do not have any
username/pw to log in to the routers. External access shouldn't be
possible, as the network itself has no direct Internet connectivity.

Has anybody else here ever experienced effects like this?

Tnx, -garry
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Re: [c-nsp] Right IOS for 7600

2009-03-16 Thread Jared Mauch


On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Wyatt Mattias Gyllenvarg wrote:


Hi All

Asking you real IOS gurus out there for the production options on  
IOS upgrades.


Where running 7600 Sup720PFC3BLX
OSPF
BGP
and wish too add
microFlow policing
Netflow
Currently on 12.2(18)SXF7

I understand that are several trains too choose from.


	I would consider going to SXF16 for now.  It will provide you a large  
number of bugfixes.  If possible you should look at SXI but wait until  
SXI1.


- Jared
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[c-nsp] BGP - peer down w/MD5 - suppress logging

2009-03-16 Thread Paul Stewart
Is there any way without messing with the level of logging we have turned on
today to suppress these messages in particular:

 

Mar 16 09:43:24: %TCP-6-BADAUTH: No MD5 digest from 206.223.143.84(179) to
206.223.143.81(13412) (RST) tableid - 0

Mar 16 09:43:32: %TCP-6-BADAUTH: No MD5 digest from 206.223.143.84(179) to
206.223.143.81(13412) (RST) tableid - 0

 

This is a BGP peer that is not coming online at the moment - we don't want
to shutdown our actual session.  Of course this only happens with MD5
enabled peers ;)

 

Thanks,

 

Paul

 

 

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Re: [c-nsp] Right IOS for 7600

2009-03-16 Thread Gert Doering
Hi,

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:34:44AM +0100, Wyatt Mattias Gyllenvarg wrote:
 Asking you real IOS gurus out there for the production options on IOS 
 upgrades.
[..]
 I understand that are several trains too choose from.

About all options seem to have been discussed in great detail on this
list.  So what are your questions that are *not* answered in the list
archives?

gert

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Re: [c-nsp] Sup720-3BXL Stable IOS

2009-03-16 Thread Marcus.Gerdon
Hi Paul,

in case you don't need any fancy 7600 only or SR only features or hardware 
support you might want to go back to 12.2(18)SXF. We're running SXF10 quite 
some time now including new 7600 with BGP and IS-IS for v4 and v6 
multi-topology w/o the slightest problems up to now.

But sooner or later we'll be hit by the AS32-capable update... we'll see if SXJ 
will run on 7600, else it will be (forced into SRE).


regards,

Marcus

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 Betreff: [c-nsp] Sup720-3BXL Stable IOS
 
 Hi there.
 
  
 
 We're seeing issues occasionally with BGP sessions on 
 Sup720-3BXL getting
 stuck.  When adding a new session in particular it won't come up and
 sometimes after removing and adding back into the config it 
 works.. Other
 strange unexplained stuff once in a while..
 
  
 
 Anyways, talked to a few peers and they tell me wow, you're 
 on the bleeding
 edge because we're running 12.2.33SRD and 12.2.33SRC releases.
 
  
 
 I am thinking of moving to 12.2.33SRA7 release as it's listed 
 as LD vs ED
 and is very current still - am I playing with fire?  Any feedback?
 
  
 
 Box is running IPv4/IPv6, OSPF and BGP
 
  
 
 Many thanks,
 
  
 
 Paul
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
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[c-nsp] SXI leaks (was: Netflow on SUP720-3BXL)

2009-03-16 Thread Phil Mayers



(SXI has slow memory leaks in BGP, at least for us.  Cisco case has been
opened, but hasn't proceeded anywhere yet).


Interesting. Do you have any details you can share?

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[c-nsp] DLSW on Catalyst 4506-E is it possible???

2009-03-16 Thread omar parihuana
Hi Guys,

DLSW is supported in Catalyst 4500 platform I'm searching in Cisco Doc
but it seems that DLSW doesn't run over Cat4500. Are there some way to run
DLSW over CAT4500? (in 6500 a MSFC card will solve the problem).

Here my sh version

4500# sh version

Cisco IOS Software, Catalyst 4500 L3 Switch Software

(cat4500-ENTSERVICESK9-M),

Version 12.2(44)SG1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)

Technical Support: http://www.cisco.com/techsupport

Copyright (c) 1986-2008 by Cisco Systems, Inc.

Compiled Wed 09-Jul-08 13:17 by prod_rel_team

Image text-base: 0x1000, data-base: 0x11D1CA4C



ROM: 12.2(31r)SGA1

Pod Revision 14, Force Revision 31, Tie Revision 32



4500 uptime is 2 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes

System returned to ROM by reload

System restarted at 14:17:22 Fri Mar 13 2009

System image file is bootflash:cat4500-entservicesk9-mz.122-44.SG1.bin





This product contains cryptographic features and is subject to United

States and local country laws governing import, export, transfer and

use. Delivery of Cisco cryptographic products does not imply

third-party authority to import, export, distribute or use encryption.

Importers, exporters, distributors and users are responsible for

compliance with U.S. and local country laws. By using this product you

agree to comply with applicable laws and regulations. If you are unable

to comply with U.S. and local laws, return this product immediately.



A summary of U.S. laws governing Cisco cryptographic products may be found

at:

http://www.cisco.com/wwl/export/crypto/tool/stqrg.html



If you require further assistance please contact us by sending email to

exp...@cisco.com.



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memory.

Processor board ID FOX1242H2PR

MPC8540 CPU at 800Mhz, Supervisor V-10GE

Last reset from Reload

20 Virtual Ethernet interfaces

70 Gigabit Ethernet interfaces

2 Ten Gigabit Ethernet interfaces

511K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.


Configuration register is 0x2101


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Re: [c-nsp] SXI leaks (was: Netflow on SUP720-3BXL)

2009-03-16 Thread Gert Doering
Hi,

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 03:15:01PM +, Phil Mayers wrote:
 (SXI has slow memory leaks in BGP, at least for us.  Cisco case has been
 opened, but hasn't proceeded anywhere yet).
 
 Interesting. Do you have any details you can share?

This is on a peering point + upstream provider router, with full
IPv4 and IPv6 BGP (unicast only).  SXI non-modular, advanced ip services.

We lose about 2-4 Mbyte of free memory per day, which goes into holding
for the BGP Router process.

It seems to be related to churn - we have another router running SXI, and
that one is used at the network edge with only about 500 BGP prefixes,
and nearly no churn.  That one has no (noticeable) memory leak.

TAC Case# is SR 610821739.

(... maybe we should really go for SXI modular... - just restart the
BGP Router every 2 months, and reclaim all this memory without a 
10-minute reboot... and maybe even get a bugfixed BGP-process without
requiring a reboot).

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Re: [c-nsp] Right IOS for 7600

2009-03-16 Thread Gert Doering
Hi,

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:18:42AM -0700, Derick Winkworth wrote:
 IOS changes.  The list archives are not relevant.  

In that case, the answer is contact your Cisco account representative.

All knowledge available on this list is experience from the past - and
especially for the 6500/7600, the IOS discussion is repeated *more* often
than Cisco is releasing new images.  So the archives have all the answers.

gert

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Re: [c-nsp] Sup720-3BXL Stable IOS

2009-03-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday 16 March 2009 04:42:00 pm Marcus.Gerdon wrote:

 But sooner or later we'll be hit by the AS32-capable
 update... we'll see if SXJ will run on 7600, else it will
 be (forced into SRE).

I posit quite a number of upgrades at the (peering) edge 
come end of this year, along with ensuing moans and groans 
as we make the networks ASN 32-bit capable.

Trying to figure out how to make this pretty, particularly 
given that this very feature may be what stands between you 
and your favorite, stable code base...

Mark.


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Re: [c-nsp] SXI leaks (was: Netflow on SUP720-3BXL)

2009-03-16 Thread Gert Doering
Hi,

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:09:48AM -0500, Murphy, William wrote:
 Thanks for the heads up...  Are any of the maintenance releases of SXH also
 affected by this memory leak? 

We've not seen this in SXH3a (and you don't want to use SXH3 due to
BGP ghost bugs).  I have not tested SXH4.

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[c-nsp] Fast IGP on 6500 gigE

2009-03-16 Thread Phil Mayers

All,

Given a mix of 6748-SFP, 6704 and 6716 linecards, with SXI software, and 
OSPF over SVIs, what are people successfully using to speed up link loss 
and subsequent IGP convergence?


Our config broadly looks like:

int Vlan38xx
  description p2p to another router
  ip address 192.168.0.2 255.255.255.254
  ip ospf network point-to-point

int Te1/1
  switchport
  switchport mode trunk
  switchport trunk native vlan 38xx

router ospf 1
  ispf
  nsf
  network 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.255

...and then the various LDP  BGP configs on top. I'm assuming I want 
some combination of:


 1. debounce / carrier-delay (what's the difference) on the gigE
 2. IP event dampening on the SVI
 3. faster timers on the SFP process; possibly as a conservative start:

timers throttle spf 10 100 5000
timers throttle lsa all 10 100 5000
timers lsa arrival 80

The idea is that most routers are dual-attached, so I just want to 
underlying IGP to converge quickly. I'll tackle the LDP and BGP later...


I'm not able to use BFD (since it doesn't work on SVIs under SXI) and 
I'm only worried about physical link-down - we don't have any weird 
layer2 between routers except in a few out-of-the way places, and they 
can just suffer.


I realise some of these answers are it depends on the size of your 
network; there are ~25 routers participating in the OSPF, all reasonably 
recent and modern, it's a single area 0 design, and it has ~58 p2p  
loopbacks (via router LSAs) another 18 E2 routes.


It seems to take ~6msec for an OSPF adjacency to form between two 
routers, almost all of which is in INIT-2WAY so I'm guessing SPF is 
going to be pretty quick.


Suggestions welcome, although ask Cisco to tell you is less helpful; 
I'd like to have some independent understanding of how we arrived at the 
numbers, and be able to repeat the process in future ;o)

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Re: [c-nsp] Fast IGP on 6500 gigE

2009-03-16 Thread Marcus.Gerdon
Hi,

you've written most routers are dual-attached, so the concern mostly is failure 
detection and not re-establishment of a neighbor I think. If you go into 
debounce or carrier-delay you'll raise the convergence time as a link failure 
will be ignored for a short time before processes are notified.

OSPF should immediately react on an link-down event, so I'd try to speed it up 
this way. If you use 2 separate SVI for the 2 connections and each VLAN has 
only 1 port it is allowed in (either a single access port or exactly 1 trunk 
port) the SVI should go down along with that single port.

Playing around the timers I keep for last resort - as there's always the risk 
to de-stabilize the network seriously (I've seen people trying to get the last 
second out of a protocol resulting in occasional burn-downs far too often).


regards,

Marcus
 

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 [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] Im Auftrag von Phil Mayers
 Gesendet: Montag, 16. März 2009 17:45
 An: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Betreff: [c-nsp] Fast IGP on 6500  gigE
 
 All,
 
 Given a mix of 6748-SFP, 6704 and 6716 linecards, with SXI 
 software, and 
 OSPF over SVIs, what are people successfully using to speed 
 up link loss 
 and subsequent IGP convergence?
 
 Our config broadly looks like:
 
 int Vlan38xx
description p2p to another router
ip address 192.168.0.2 255.255.255.254
ip ospf network point-to-point
 
 int Te1/1
switchport
switchport mode trunk
switchport trunk native vlan 38xx
 
 router ospf 1
ispf
nsf
network 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.255
 
 and then the various LDP  BGP configs on top. I'm 
 assuming I want 
 some combination of:
 
   1. debounce / carrier-delay (what's the difference) on the gigE
   2. IP event dampening on the SVI
   3. faster timers on the SFP process; possibly as a 
 conservative start:
 
 timers throttle spf 10 100 5000
 timers throttle lsa all 10 100 5000
 timers lsa arrival 80
 
 The idea is that most routers are dual-attached, so I just want to 
 underlying IGP to converge quickly. I'll tackle the LDP and 
 BGP later...
 
 I'm not able to use BFD (since it doesn't work on SVIs under SXI) and 
 I'm only worried about physical link-down - we don't have any weird 
 layer2 between routers except in a few out-of-the way places, 
 and they 
 can just suffer.
 
 I realise some of these answers are it depends on the size of your 
 network; there are ~25 routers participating in the OSPF, all 
 reasonably 
 recent and modern, it's a single area 0 design, and it has ~58 p2p  
 loopbacks (via router LSAs) another 18 E2 routes.
 
 It seems to take ~6msec for an OSPF adjacency to form between two 
 routers, almost all of which is in INIT-2WAY so I'm guessing SPF is 
 going to be pretty quick.
 
 Suggestions welcome, although ask Cisco to tell you is less 
 helpful; 
 I'd like to have some independent understanding of how we 
 arrived at the 
 numbers, and be able to repeat the process in future ;o)
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Re: [c-nsp] Fast IGP on 6500 gigE

2009-03-16 Thread Phil Mayers

Marcus.Gerdon wrote:

Hi,

you've written most routers are dual-attached, so the concern mostly
is failure detection and not re-establishment of a neighbor I think.


Correct


If you go into debounce or carrier-delay you'll raise the convergence
time as a link failure will be ignored for a short time before
processes are notified.


Further reading indicates that carrier/debounce are by default as low as 
you can safely get them on a 6500, so I think I can disregard these.




OSPF should immediately react on an link-down event, so I'd try to
speed it up this way. If you use 2 separate SVI for the 2 connections


We're already doing this.


and each VLAN has only 1 port it is allowed in (either a single
access port or exactly 1 trunk port) the SVI should go down along
with that single port.


It does.

Interestingly info I've read indicates that routed interfaces signal 
upper-layer protocols much faster than SVI interfaces, which is 
something I'll have to investigate.




Playing around the timers I keep for last resort - as there's always
the risk to de-stabilize the network seriously (I've seen people
trying to get the last second out of a protocol resulting in
occasional burn-downs far too often).


Hmm.

Further digging has some pretty concrete recommendations from Cisco in 
presentations and such suggesting:


timers throttle spf 10 100 5000
timers throttle lsa all 10 100 5000
timers lsa arrival 80

e.g.

http://www.ciscoexpo.sk/slides/41-vsettey_fast_convergence.pdf

The default SPF initial delay is 5 *whopping* seconds; which means that, 
no matter how fast your link detection and SPF propagation is, it'll be 
at least 5 seconds before you even *start* trying to converge.


Having read the docs, I have a hard time seeing how changing these can 
burn down the network - the spf and lsa timers have exponential 
backoff. Would you care to elaborate on the failure modes you have seen?

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[c-nsp] Sup720-3BXL and diag issues

2009-03-16 Thread Jimmy Changa
I have a 6500 with a sup720-3BXL. Every time I put a WS-X6408A-GBIC card in
the chassis, diag fails the card.

I haven't rebooted the box yet, as this carrys a significant amount of
traffic, has anyone else seen this type of problem.

Diag on the most recent card shows:

7) TestUnusedPortLoopback:

  Port  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8
  
U  U  U  F  U  U  U  F

The cards work in other chassis.
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[c-nsp] SXI high cpu usage and rp inband SPAN feature not available

2009-03-16 Thread schilling
We installed SXI Advanced Enterprise in one of our catalyst 6500 with
sup720-3BXL, and the box is having persistent high CPU over 90%/80%
where we have normal cpu utilization around 30%.   I played with RP
SPAN on our SXF11 before, it's good to see what is punted to CPU
according to the following Doc,

SPAN RP-Inband and SP-Inband
A SPAN for the RP or SP port in Cisco IOS Software is available in
Cisco IOS Software Release 12.1(19)E and later.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/products_tech_note09186a00804916e0.shtml

But the feature is not in the current SXI even the configuration guide
has that feature documented.
http://cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst6500/ios/12.2SX/configuration/guide/span.html#wp1089465

test(config)#monitor session 1 ?
  destination  SPAN destination interface or VLAN
  filter  SPAN filter VLAN
  source  SPAN source interface, VLAN

test(config)#monitor session 1 source ?
  interface   SPAN source interface
  intrusion-detection-module   SPAN source intrusion-detection-module
  remote  SPAN source Remote
  vlan   SPAN source VLAN

test#remote login switch
Trying Switch ...
Entering CONSOLE for Switch
Type ^C^C^C to end this session

test-sp#monitor ?
  elog Event-logging control commands
  event-trace  Control event tracing

test-sp#test monitor ?
  crash  test crash


Schilling
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Re: [c-nsp] SXI high cpu usage and rp inband SPAN feature not available

2009-03-16 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 04:42:38PM -0400, schilling wrote:
 We installed SXI Advanced Enterprise in one of our catalyst 6500 with
 sup720-3BXL, and the box is having persistent high CPU over 90%/80%
 where we have normal cpu utilization around 30%.?? I played with RP

sh proc cpu sort 5s

Start by seeing if the cpu use in IP Input or not. I've been seeing SRC3 
boxes get into weird states where the run 80-90% in BGP router, until 
they're rebooted.

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Re: [c-nsp] Sup720-3BXL and diag issues

2009-03-16 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi,
 I have a 6500 with a sup720-3BXL. Every time I put a WS-X6408A-GBIC card in
 the chassis, diag fails the card.
 
 The cards work in other chassis.

same slot, or different slot?  

alan
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Re: [c-nsp] SXI high cpu usage and rp inband SPAN feature not available

2009-03-16 Thread Phil Mayers

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:42:38PM +, schilling wrote:

We installed SXI Advanced Enterprise in one of our catalyst 6500 with
sup720-3BXL, and the box is having persistent high CPU over 90%/80%
where we have normal cpu utilization around 30%.   I played with RP
SPAN on our SXF11 before, it's good to see what is punted to CPU
according to the following Doc,

SPAN RP-Inband and SP-Inband
A SPAN for the RP or SP port in Cisco IOS Software is available in
Cisco IOS Software Release 12.1(19)E and later.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/products_tech_note09186a00804916e0.shtml

But the feature is not in the current SXI even the configuration guide
has that feature documented.
http://cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst6500/ios/12.2SX/configuration/guide/span.html#wp1089465

test(config)#monitor session 1 ?
 destination  SPAN destination interface or VLAN
 filter  SPAN filter VLAN
 source  SPAN source interface, VLAN

test(config)#monitor session 1 source ?
 interface   SPAN source interface
 intrusion-detection-module   SPAN source intrusion-detection-module
 remote  SPAN source Remote
 vlan   SPAN source VLAN


On SXI you configure the sp/rp CPU span via the normal span CLI; no more 
crazy remote commands:


monitor session 2 type erspan-source
source cpu rp

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Re: [c-nsp] Sup720-3BXL and diag issues

2009-03-16 Thread Phil Mayers

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:40:30PM +, Jimmy Changa wrote:

I have a 6500 with a sup720-3BXL. Every time I put a WS-X6408A-GBIC card in
the chassis, diag fails the card.

I haven't rebooted the box yet, as this carrys a significant amount of
traffic, has anyone else seen this type of problem.

Diag on the most recent card shows:

7) TestUnusedPortLoopback:

 Port  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8
 
   U  U  U  F  U  U  U  F


Some of the diags are heavily dependent on IOS config, usually only the 
disruptive ones though. I don't have any 6408s but what does:


sh diagnostic content module X

say when the card is inserted? It should list some details about 
test #7 i.e. whether it's a bootup/health test, which I'd expect to pass 
in all circumstances.


A few weeks ago, I'd have said you may have a bad slot, but recently we 
had a slot go funny and no amount of fiddling would clear it *except* 
a reload of the box, so it's definitely worth trying.




The cards work in other chassis.


Have you tried other cards in that slot?
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[c-nsp] Sub-int based EoMPLS on a 6700 series LC in a 7600

2009-03-16 Thread Justin Shore
I have a TAC case open right now regarding a new EoMPLS VC I'm trying to 
turn up.  This is the first I tried to terminate in a sub-int on one of 
my 7600s.  The LC is a 6748 w/ DFC.  The sup is a 720-3BXL running SRB1. 
 The other end is a ME3750 running 12.2(50)SE.  The ME's end is a 1Q 
trunk facing the CE.  The native VLAN is for Internet back to a SVI. 
The other VLAN allowed on the trunk (tagged) has a corresponding SVI 
with the xconnect to the loopback on that particular 7613.  The 7613 has 
a 1Q trunk facing the CE as well.  The port is configured with a sub-int 
though and the xconnect sits in the sub-int with 1Q encapsulation 
(tagged).  The VLAN IDs are the same on both ends.  MTU is the same on 
both ends and is the default 1500; I'm thinking that I need to raise 
this for one thing, to support the 1Q trunk over EoMPLS.  Or does MPLS 
auto-adjust for the higher MTU?


The VC is up end to end.  I can do a MPLS ping from end to end.  When I 
try to ping from the CE on the ME3750's end 2811 (with Fa0/0 configured 
with sub-ints and a 1Q config matching the ME) I get nothing back and no 
ARP entry on the 3560E.  I do however see counters on the VC increment 
end to end.  When I try to ping from the CE on the 7613's end (a 3560E 
with a trunk configured for the 1 EoMPLS VLAN and its L3 interface in a 
SVI) to the 2811 I get nothing back but the 2811 gets a matching ARP 
entry for the 3560E.  The counters on the VC do not increment either 
like they should (ping with a timeout of 0 repeating 10k times).  That's 
the exact opposite of what I would expect.


One question that was raised is if the core-facing interface had to be 
fancy WAN interfaces.  My understanding is that they do not because I 
don't have to double-tag anything.  The core-facing interface is on the 
same 6748.  For grins I moved the CE-facing interface to a 6724 w/ DFC 
in the same chassis.  No change.  The VC is up but I only get an ARP on 
the 2811 and nothing back.  From the perspective of the CEs traffic only 
flows from the 3560E to the 2811.  From the perspective of the VC's 
counters it's just the opposite.


The 7613 connects to a ME6524 (MTU 9000 on a L3 sub-int on both ends) 
and that ME6524 connect to the ME3750 (also a L3 interface with a MTU of 
9000).  MPLS is enabled end to end.  I get the targeted LDP on both ends 
of course.  IS-IS L2 is my IGP.


Do I have to have WAN ints for the core-facing links?  I'm thinking no 
but I can't say for certain.  Neither could my TAC engineer but they are 
double checking.  Anyone know?


Thanks
 Justin
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