Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K + Nexus FEX module + Port Channel ON (no LACP support)

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Thanks Dennis, 

do you know if the essentials version of the 1000v requires vCentre? 



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- Original Message -

From: "Dennis Heim" <dennis.h...@wwt.com> 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca>, "cisco-voip voyp list" 
<cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> 
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:43:55 AM 
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] BE7K + Nexus FEX module + Port Channel ON (no LACP 
support) 



Per this: 
https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/search.do?cmd=displayKC=kc=DT_KB_1_1=2051307
 



It looks like LACP is supported with vDS, so if you are running vCenter. Other 
option could be the Nexus1000v. The essentials version of the Nexus1000v, I 
believe is free, but would require time and effort to configure/stand it up. 
That looks to be your two options, Lelio. 




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Fulgenzi 
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:34 AM 
To: cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> 
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K + Nexus FEX module + Port Channel ON (no LACP 
support) 








Anyone running Cisco UCS 240 (BE7K) with port channel ON connected to Nexus FEX 
modules? 

Our data centre team has concerns with turning port channel ON without LACP 
negotiation. 

Our partner has said that the BE7K does not support LACP. 





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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K + Nexus FEX module + Port Channel ON (no LACP support)

[Heim, Dennis]

Per this: 
https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/search.do?cmd=displayKC=kc=DT_KB_1_1=2051307

It looks like LACP is supported with vDS, so if you are running vCenter. Other 
option could be the Nexus1000v. The essentials version of the Nexus1000v, I 
believe is free, but would require time and effort to configure/stand it up. 
That looks to be your two options, Lelio.

From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio 
Fulgenzi
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:34 AM
To: cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K + Nexus FEX module + Port Channel ON (no LACP 
support)



Anyone running Cisco UCS 240 (BE7K) with port channel ON connected to Nexus FEX 
modules?

Our data centre team has concerns with turning port channel ON without LACP 
negotiation.

Our partner has said that the BE7K does not support LACP.

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[cisco-voip] BE7K + Nexus FEX module + Port Channel ON (no LACP support)

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Anyone running Cisco UCS 240 (BE7K) with port channel ON connected to Nexus FEX 
modules? 

Our data centre team has concerns with turning port channel ON without LACP 
negotiation. 

Our partner has said that the BE7K does not support LACP. 

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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Thanks Charles. 

Yes, I was really hoping to be able to use the 10Gig option. But unfortunately 
that breaks a system's TRC certification. :( 

We're going to have to end up installing another switch and additional top of 
rack patch panels to accommodate the horde of cables. Along with the "are you 
sure you need all these?" over and over again. :( 

Lelio 



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- Original Message -

From: "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org> 
To: "Rob Dawson" <rdaw...@force3.com> 
Cc: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca>, "cisco-voip voyp list" 
<cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> 
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 12:05:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 

This has always been the case for me, always run out of CPU cores on the TRC 
builds long before the memory, even with the 10k ova's on UCM, 20k ova on UCxn 
and 400 agent CCX. 

The c240's also come with something like 12 nics, so never had an issue with 
bandwidth either, but I have had some customers swap out for 10gb nics, just to 
cut down on cable size and standardize with the rest of their servers. 


On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Rob Dawson < rdaw...@force3.com > wrote: 





Unless you are planning on running co-resident database or messaging apps with 
large memory, storage, or IOPS requirements (which typically wouldn’t be run on 
a server with direct attached storage anyway) then you are likely not going to 
exceed the memory and disk capacity on the 7K. 



A 10k user CUCM instance burns 4 cores, 8 GB RAM and 110 GB of disk. Based on 
the fact that over subscription of resources is not supported, in most cases 
you would probably run out of CPU before memory or disk space. 



Rob 




From: cisco-voip [mailto: cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net ] On Behalf Of 
Lelio Fulgenzi 
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 4:41 PM 

To: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 











Thanks Ryan. 





I hear what you're saying about the TRC and the listed components. I only raise 
the question about additional memory and additional NICs because in the docwiki 
it says that you can add both more memory and more NICs (of the same type) and 
still be TRC. Or at least that's the way I read it. (REF below) 





As far as long term objectives, my concern is really with the changing VM 
memory requirements which may increase past the amount available. That being 
said, the "large" model has 124GB available to VMs, so I should be in good 
shape for a while. 





I'll be building out the platforms using the UCS tool next week and see how 
that goes. 











= 





Reference: 





http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#Memory_.2F_RAM
 





Under "UC on UCS TRC" column: Total available is listed in Table 1. Additional 
memory may be added. 






http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#IO_Adapters.2C_Controllers_and_Devices_for_LAN_Access_and_Storage_Access
 






For UCS C-Series TRC: 
must exactly match adapter vendor/model/technology (e.g. Intel i350 for 1GbE or 
QLogic QLE2462 for FC) listed in Table 1 BOMs. 
Allowed NIC quantity must be same or higher than what is listed in Table 1 
BOMs. 





= 








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From: "Ryan Huff" < ryanh...@outlook.com > 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" < le...@uoguelph.ca >, "cisco-voip voyp list" < 
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net > 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:02:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 





Lelio, 



Yes, you can remove the pre-installed VM's and deploy your own (with respect to 
the allowances of the TRC). 



The reason adding additional hardware isn't supported is because the Business 
Edition UCS chassis's are sold as a TRC (Tested Reference Configuration); 
meaning that Cisco has tested a variety of approved configurations on the 
platform with which TAC will support end-to-end. 



Configurations (hardware or software) outside those parameters have not been 
tested and could cause unplanned/unpredictable results with which TAC will not 
support. With the TRC stuff, you pretty much need to follow the DocWiki and 
deployment guides chapter and verse. 



If you'd like to be able to customize your UCS chassis and perhaps capitalize 
on co -residency allowances (again, within supported p

Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Charles Goldsmith]

This has always been the case for me, always run out of CPU cores on the
TRC builds long before the memory, even with the 10k ova's on UCM, 20k ova
on UCxn and 400 agent CCX.

The c240's also come with something like 12 nics, so never had an issue
with bandwidth either, but I have had some customers swap out for 10gb
nics, just to cut down on cable size and standardize with the rest of their
servers.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Rob Dawson <rdaw...@force3.com> wrote:

> Unless you are planning on running  co-resident database or messaging apps
> with large memory, storage, or IOPS requirements (which typically wouldn’t
> be run on a server with direct attached storage anyway) then you are likely
> not going to exceed the memory and disk capacity on the 7K.
>
>
>
> A 10k user CUCM instance burns 4 cores, 8 GB RAM and 110 GB of disk. Based
> on the fact that over subscription of resources is not supported, in most
> cases you would probably run out of CPU before memory or disk space.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf
> Of *Lelio Fulgenzi
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2015 4:41 PM
>
> *To:* cisco-voip voyp list
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Ryan.
>
>
>
> I hear what you're saying about the TRC and the listed components. I only
> raise the question about additional memory and additional NICs because in
> the docwiki it says that you can add both more memory and more NICs (of the
> same type) and still be TRC. Or at least that's the way I read it. (REF
> below)
>
>
>
> As far as long term objectives, my concern is really with the changing VM
> memory requirements which may increase past the amount available. That
> being said, the "large" model has 124GB available to VMs, so I should be in
> good shape for a while.
>
>
>
> I'll be building out the platforms using the UCS tool next week and see
> how that goes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =
>
>
>
> Reference:
>
>
>
>
> http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#Memory_.2F_RAM
>
>
>
> Under "UC on UCS TRC" column: Total available is listed in Table 1.
> Additional memory may be added.
>
>
>
>
> http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#IO_Adapters.2C_Controllers_and_Devices_for_LAN_Access_and_Storage_Access
>
>
>
> For UCS C-Series TRC:
> must exactly match adapter vendor/model/technology (e.g. Intel i350 for
> 1GbE or QLogic QLE2462 for FC) listed in Table 1 BOMs.
> Allowed NIC quantity must be same or higher than what is listed in Table 1
> BOMs.
>
>
>
> =
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
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> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
> Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
> University of Guelph
>
>
>
> 519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354
> le...@uoguelph.ca
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
> Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Ryan Huff" <ryanh...@outlook.com>
> *To: *"Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca>, "cisco-voip voyp list" <
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:02:30 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?
>
>
>
> Lelio,
>
>
>
> Yes, you can remove the pre-installed VM's and deploy your own (with
> respect to the allowances of the TRC).
>
>
>
> The reason adding additional hardware isn't supported is because the
> Business Edition UCS chassis's are sold as a TRC (Tested Reference
> Configuration); meaning that Cisco has tested a variety of approved
> configurations on the platform with which TAC will support end-to-end.
>
>
>
> Configurations (hardware or software) outside those parameters have not
> been tested and could cause unplanned/unpredictable results with which TAC
> will not support. With the TRC stuff, you pretty much need to follow the
> DocWiki and deployment guides chapter and verse.
>
>
>
> If you'd like to be able to customize your UCS chassis and perhaps
> capitalize on co -residency allowances (again, within supported
> parameters), you'd want to look at something called a specs-based
> configuration or a data center product like a B series chassis.
>
>
>
> If you'd like to provide us with some detail on what your long-term
> objectives are with the upgrade and some demographics on your user/device
> population we might be able to give you some more informed insight.
>
>
>
> Hope that helps,
>
>
>
> = Ryan =
>
>

Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Matthew Loraditch]

http://tools.cisco.com/ucs
is your friend, pick your server model and the ovas you will use.

In general though BE7K should be fine. No limitations besides overall 
resources. Just gotta figure out how many you need or want

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From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio 
Fulgenzi
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:38 AM
To: cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


We're spec'ing out some new UCS servers for our next upgrades.

Still trying to figure out what, if any, limitations going with a BE7K might 
have. Does anyone care to share a reason why we shouldn't go with BE7K, or why 
we shouldn't go with a la cart using the BOM?

There was once an issue with a limitation of users/devices, but I think that's 
gone now. My biggest concern is trying to do something on the BE7K and finding 
out only after that it's not allowed or supported.

Any ideas would be great.

Lelio


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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Jose Colon II]

I believe the only limitations is the amount of users it will support as
well as how many applications you can run on the box. Other then that the
software code is the same. This is from the BE7K overview


   - BE7000H Model: 5 to 10 communications and collaboration applications
   (e.g., voice, messaging, IM and presence, video conferencing suite (4),
   B2B, contact center, and others)
   - BE7000M Model: 4 to 6 communications and collaboration applications
   (e.g., voice, messaging, IM and presence, video, B2B, contact center, and
   others)


On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

>
> We're spec'ing out some new UCS servers for our next upgrades.
>
> Still trying to figure out what, if any, limitations going with a BE7K
> might have. Does anyone care to share a reason why we shouldn't go with
> BE7K, or why we shouldn't go with a la cart using the BOM?
>
> There was once an issue with a limitation of users/devices, but I think
> that's gone now. My biggest concern is trying to do something on the BE7K
> and finding out only after that it's not allowed or supported.
>
> Any ideas would be great.
>
> Lelio
>
>
> ---
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> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
> Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
> University of Guelph
>
> 519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354
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[cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

We're spec'ing out some new UCS servers for our next upgrades. 

Still trying to figure out what, if any, limitations going with a BE7K might 
have. Does anyone care to share a reason why we shouldn't go with BE7K, or why 
we shouldn't go with a la cart using the BOM? 

There was once an issue with a limitation of users/devices, but I think that's 
gone now. My biggest concern is trying to do something on the BE7K and finding 
out only after that it's not allowed or supported. 

Any ideas would be great. 

Lelio 


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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Rob Dawson]

The newest BE7ks are built on C240 M4 hardware. The BE7H-M4-K9 is 20 cores, 128 
GB RAM, 4+ TB of available disk space, the BE7M-M4-K9 is 12 cores, 64 GB RAM, 
and around 2.6 TB available disk.

Cisco states on the data sheet that BE7k is “optimized for enterprise-scale 
organizations with 1000 to 5000 users and 3000 to 15,000 devices” but they also 
note “For more capacity to support larger sized deployments, simply stack 
additional servers. And in smaller sized deployments with less than 1000 users, 
typically more applications can be supported per server.”

I haven’t seen any practical limitations, and as pointed out by someone else 
you can use the VM Placement Tool to see what OVAs fit, and scale to size.

Rob

From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of 
Lamont, Joshua
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 10:21 AM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

Sorry for the confusion... We had originally planned to install C240 M3s but 
swapped them out for the C240 M4s instead.

Joshua Lamont
Senior Telecommunications Engineer
Brown University
office (401) 863-1003
cell(401) 749-6913

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
<le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

There are BE7Ks built on the new UCS C240 M4s.

Or by "new" do you mean something else other than the 240M4s?


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From: "Joshua Lamont" <joshua_lam...@brown.edu<mailto:joshua_lam...@brown.edu>>
To: "Matthew Loraditch" 
<mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com<mailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>>
Cc: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>, "cisco-voip 
voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02:47 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

We're in the process of converting to Cisco UC and recently during our design 
phase swapped out the BE7Ks in favor of the new UCS C series severs. C240 M4s 
are used for the majority of our cluster.

Joshua Lamont
Senior Telecommunications Engineer
Brown University
office (401) 863-1003<tel:%28401%29%20863-1003>
cell(401) 749-6913<tel:%28401%29%20749-6913>

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Loraditch 
<mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com<mailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>> 
wrote:
http://tools.cisco.com/ucs
is your friend, pick your server model and the ovas you will use.

In general though BE7K should be fine. No limitations besides overall 
resources. Just gotta figure out how many you need or want

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Network Engineer
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From: cisco-voip 
[mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>]
 On Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:38 AM
To: cisco-voip voyp list 
<cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


We're spec'ing out some new UCS servers for our next upgrades.

Still trying to figure out what, if any, limitations going with a BE7K might 
have. Does anyone care to share a reason why we shouldn't go with BE7K, or why 
we shouldn't go with a la cart using the BOM?

There was once an issue with a limitation of users/devices, but I think that's 
gone now. My biggest concern is trying to do something on the BE7K and finding 
out only after that it's not allowed or supported.

Any ideas would be great.

Lelio


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Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph

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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Lamont, Joshua]

We're in the process of converting to Cisco UC and recently during our
design phase swapped out the BE7Ks in favor of the new UCS C series severs.
C240 M4s are used for the majority of our cluster.

Joshua Lamont
Senior Telecommunications Engineer
Brown University
office (401) 863-1003
cell(401) 749-6913

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com> wrote:

> http://tools.cisco.com/ucs
>
> is your friend, pick your server model and the ovas you will use.
>
>
>
> In general though BE7K should be fine. No limitations besides overall
> resources. Just gotta figure out how many you need or want
>
>
>
> Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA-R, CCDA
> Network Engineer
> Direct Voice: 443.541.1518
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf
> Of *Lelio Fulgenzi
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:38 AM
> *To:* cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?
>
>
>
>
>
> We're spec'ing out some new UCS servers for our next upgrades.
>
>
>
> Still trying to figure out what, if any, limitations going with a BE7K
> might have. Does anyone care to share a reason why we shouldn't go with
> BE7K, or why we shouldn't go with a la cart using the BOM?
>
>
>
> There was once an issue with a limitation of users/devices, but I think
> that's gone now. My biggest concern is trying to do something on the BE7K
> and finding out only after that it's not allowed or supported.
>
>
>
> Any ideas would be great.
>
>
>
> Lelio
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
> Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
> University of Guelph
>
>
>
> 519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354
> le...@uoguelph.ca
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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

There are BE7Ks built on the new UCS C240 M4s. 

Or by "new" do you mean something else other than the 240M4s? 


--- 
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Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure 
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) 
University of Guelph 

519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354 
le...@uoguelph.ca 
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs 
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building 
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- Original Message -

From: "Joshua Lamont" <joshua_lam...@brown.edu> 
To: "Matthew Loraditch" <mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com> 
Cc: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca>, "cisco-voip voyp list" 
<cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 

We're in the process of converting to Cisco UC and recently during our design 
phase swapped out the BE7Ks in favor of the new UCS C series severs. C240 M4s 
are used for the majority of our cluster. 

Joshua Lamont 
Senior Telecommunications Engineer 
Brown University 
office (401) 863-1003 
cell (401) 749-6913 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Loraditch < 
mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com > wrote: 





http://tools.cisco.com/ucs 

is your friend, pick your server model and the ovas you will use. 



In general though BE7K should be fine. No limitations besides overall 
resources. Just gotta figure out how many you need or want 




Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA-R, CCDA 
Network Engineer 
Direct Voice: 443.541.1518 



Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | G+ 





From: cisco-voip [mailto: cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net ] On Behalf Of 
Lelio Fulgenzi 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:38 AM 
To: cisco-voip voyp list < cisco-voip@puck.nether.net > 
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 








We're spec'ing out some new UCS servers for our next upgrades. 





Still trying to figure out what, if any, limitations going with a BE7K might 
have. Does anyone care to share a reason why we shouldn't go with BE7K, or why 
we shouldn't go with a la cart using the BOM? 





There was once an issue with a limitation of users/devices, but I think that's 
gone now. My biggest concern is trying to do something on the BE7K and finding 
out only after that it's not allowed or supported. 





Any ideas would be great. 





Lelio 








--- 
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Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure 
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) 
University of Guelph 





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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Lamont, Joshua]

Sorry for the confusion... We had originally planned to install C240 M3s
but swapped them out for the C240 M4s instead.

Joshua Lamont
Senior Telecommunications Engineer
Brown University
office (401) 863-1003
cell(401) 749-6913

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:

>
> There are BE7Ks built on the new UCS C240 M4s.
>
> Or by "new" do you mean something else other than the 240M4s?
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
> Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
> University of Guelph
>
> 519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354
> le...@uoguelph.ca
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
> Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1
>
> --
> *From: *"Joshua Lamont" <joshua_lam...@brown.edu>
> *To: *"Matthew Loraditch" <mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>
> *Cc: *"Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca>, "cisco-voip voyp list" <
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02:47 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?
>
> We're in the process of converting to Cisco UC and recently during our
> design phase swapped out the BE7Ks in favor of the new UCS C series severs.
> C240 M4s are used for the majority of our cluster.
>
> Joshua Lamont
> Senior Telecommunications Engineer
> Brown University
> office (401) 863-1003
> cell(401) 749-6913
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Loraditch <
> mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com> wrote:
>
>> http://tools.cisco.com/ucs
>>
>> is your friend, pick your server model and the ovas you will use.
>>
>>
>>
>> In general though BE7K should be fine. No limitations besides overall
>> resources. Just gotta figure out how many you need or want
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA-R, CCDA
>> Network Engineer
>> Direct Voice: 443.541.1518
>>
>> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/heliontech?ref=hl> | Twitter
>> <https://twitter.com/HelionTech> | LinkedIn
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/helion-technologies?trk=top_nav_home>
>> | G+ <https://plus.google.com/+Heliontechnologies/posts>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On
>> Behalf Of *Lelio Fulgenzi
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:38 AM
>> *To:* cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
>> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We're spec'ing out some new UCS servers for our next upgrades.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still trying to figure out what, if any, limitations going with a BE7K
>> might have. Does anyone care to share a reason why we shouldn't go with
>> BE7K, or why we shouldn't go with a la cart using the BOM?
>>
>>
>>
>> There was once an issue with a limitation of users/devices, but I think
>> that's gone now. My biggest concern is trying to do something on the BE7K
>> and finding out only after that it's not allowed or supported.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any ideas would be great.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lelio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
>> Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
>> University of Guelph
>>
>>
>>
>> 519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354
>> le...@uoguelph.ca
>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
>> Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
>> Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1
>>
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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Thanks Ryan. 

I hear what you're saying about the TRC and the listed components. I only raise 
the question about additional memory and additional NICs because in the docwiki 
it says that you can add both more memory and more NICs (of the same type) and 
still be TRC. Or at least that's the way I read it. (REF below) 

As far as long term objectives, my concern is really with the changing VM 
memory requirements which may increase past the amount available. That being 
said, the "large" model has 124GB available to VMs, so I should be in good 
shape for a while. 

I'll be building out the platforms using the UCS tool next week and see how 
that goes. 



= 

Reference: 

http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#Memory_.2F_RAM
 

Under "UC on UCS TRC" column: Total available is listed in Table 1. Additional 
memory may be added. 

http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#IO_Adapters.2C_Controllers_and_Devices_for_LAN_Access_and_Storage_Access
 



For UCS C-Series TRC: 
must exactly match adapter vendor/model/technology (e.g. Intel i350 for 1GbE or 
QLogic QLE2462 for FC) listed in Table 1 BOMs. 
Allowed NIC quantity must be same or higher than what is listed in Table 1 
BOMs. 

= 


--- 
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure 
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) 
University of Guelph 

519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354 
le...@uoguelph.ca 
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs 
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building 
Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1 

- Original Message -

From: "Ryan Huff" <ryanh...@outlook.com> 
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca>, "cisco-voip voyp list" 
<cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:02:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 



Lelio, 




Yes, you can remove the pre-installed VM's and deploy your own (with respect to 
the allowances of the TRC). 





The reason adding additional hardware isn't supported is because the Business 
Edition UCS chassis's are sold as a TRC (Tested Reference Configuration); 
meaning that Cisco has tested a variety of approved configurations on the 
platform with which TAC will support end-to-end. 





Configurations (hardware or software) outside those parameters have not been 
tested and could cause unplanned/unpredictable results with which TAC will not 
support. With the TRC stuff, you pretty much need to follow the DocWiki and 
deployment guides chapter and verse. 




If you'd like to be able to customize your UCS chassis and perhaps capitalize 
on co -residency allowances (again, within supported parameters), you'd want to 
look at something called a specs-based configuration or a data center product 
like a B series chassis. 




If you'd like to provide us with some detail on what your long-term objectives 
are with the upgrade and some demographics on your user/device population we 
might be able to give you some more informed insight. 




Hope that helps, 


= Ryan = 







Email: ryanthomash...@outlook.com 

Spark: ryanthomash...@outlook.com 

Twitter: @ryanthomashuff 


LinkedIn: ryanthomashuff 


Web ryanthomashuff.com 



From: cisco-voip <cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net> on behalf of Lelio 
Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca> 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:45 PM 
To: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 

Thanks for everyone's responses. I read on one of the pages that BE7K comes 
pre-loaded with UCCx 4 vCPU OVA, but I'm guessing that I can run whatever OVA I 
want as long as it fits? 

We were told that the BE7K is not customizable, even after ordering, so adding 
memory or anything like that is not permitted. This sort of makes me cringe. I 
like having the opportunity to add memory and/or additional NICs as with the 
other TRCs. Can't really justify it now, but as future versions come up, I'd 
like to have the ability to add more memory if the CUCM v11 or v12 version 
requires it. 

It's really only memory and NIC throughput that I can see having to increase 
and only as the apps demand more with each version. 

Lelio 


--- 
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure 
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) 
University of Guelph 

519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354 
le...@uoguelph.ca 
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs 
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building 
Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1 

- Original Message -

From: "Rob Dawson" <rdaw...@force3.com> 
To: "cisco-voip voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 11:27:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 



The newest BE7ks are built on C240 M4 hardware. The BE7H-M4-K9 is 20 cores, 128 
GB RAM, 4+ TB of available disk space, the BE7M-M4-K9 is 12 cores, 64 GB RAM, 
and around 2.6 TB available disk. 



Cisco states on the data sheet that BE7k is “optimized for e

Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Ryan Huff]

Hey Lelio!

You are correct, with specs based configurations you can customize hardware as 
long as you're hardware satisfies the applications you intend to deploy in a 
particular TRC whereas the Business Edition servers are configured in the 
pre-built TRC configurations.

-Ryan


 Original message 
From: Lelio Fulgenzi
Date:12/03/2015 4:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cisco-voip voyp list
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


Thanks Ryan.

I hear what you're saying about the TRC and the listed components. I only raise 
the question about additional memory and additional NICs because in the docwiki 
it says that you can add both more memory and more NICs (of the same type) and 
still be TRC. Or at least that's the way I read it. (REF below)

As far as long term objectives, my concern is really with the changing VM 
memory requirements which may increase past the amount available. That being 
said, the "large" model has 124GB available to VMs, so I should be in good 
shape for a while.

I'll be building out the platforms using the UCS tool next week and see how 
that goes.



=

Reference:

http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#Memory_.2F_RAM

Under "UC on UCS TRC" column: Total available is listed in Table 1. Additional 
memory may be added.

http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#IO_Adapters.2C_Controllers_and_Devices_for_LAN_Access_and_Storage_Access


For UCS C-Series TRC:
must exactly match adapter vendor/model/technology (e.g. Intel i350 for 1GbE or 
QLogic QLE2462 for FC) listed in Table 1 BOMs.
Allowed NIC quantity must be same or higher than what is listed in Table 1 BOMs.

=


---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph

519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1


From: "Ryan Huff" <ryanh...@outlook.com>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca>, "cisco-voip voyp list" 
<cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:02:30 PM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


Lelio,


Yes, you can remove the pre-installed VM's and deploy your own (with respect to 
the allowances of the TRC).


The reason adding additional hardware isn't supported is because the Business 
Edition UCS chassis's are sold as a TRC (Tested Reference Configuration); 
meaning that Cisco has tested a variety of approved configurations on the 
platform with which TAC will support end-to-end.


Configurations (hardware or software) outside those parameters have not been 
tested and could cause unplanned/unpredictable results with which TAC will not 
support. With the TRC stuff, you pretty much need to follow the DocWiki and 
deployment guides chapter and verse.


If you'd like to be able to customize your UCS chassis and perhaps capitalize 
on co -residency allowances (again, within supported parameters), you'd want to 
look at something called a specs-based configuration or a data center product 
like a B series chassis.


If you'd like to provide us with some detail on what your long-term objectives 
are with the upgrade and some demographics on your user/device population we 
might be able to give you some more informed insight.


Hope that helps,


= Ryan =



Email: ryanthomash...@outlook.com

Spark: ryanthomash...@outlook.com

Twitter: @ryanthomashuff<http://twitter.com/ryanthomashuff>

LinkedIn: ryanthomashuff<http://linkedin.com/in/ryanthomashuff>

Web ryanthomashuff.com<http://ryanthomashuff.com>



From: cisco-voip <cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net> on behalf of Lelio 
Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:45 PM
To: cisco-voip voyp list
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


Thanks for everyone's responses. I read on one of the pages that BE7K comes 
pre-loaded with UCCx 4 vCPU OVA, but I'm guessing that I can run whatever OVA I 
want as long as it fits?

We were told that the BE7K is not customizable, even after ordering, so adding 
memory or anything like that is not permitted. This sort of makes me cringe. I 
like having the opportunity to add memory and/or additional NICs as with the 
other TRCs. Can't really justify it now, but as future versions come up, I'd 
like to have the ability to add more memory if the CUCM v11 or v12 version 
requires it.

It's really only memory and NIC throughput that I can see having to increase 
and only as the apps demand more with each version.

Lelio


---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph

519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
Guelph, Ontario, N1G 

Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Ryan Huff]

Lelio,


Yes, you can remove the pre-installed VM's and deploy your own (with respect to 
the allowances of the TRC).


The reason adding additional hardware isn't supported is because the Business 
Edition UCS chassis's are sold as a TRC (Tested Reference Configuration); 
meaning that Cisco has tested a variety of approved configurations on the 
platform with which TAC will support end-to-end.


Configurations (hardware or software) outside those parameters have not been 
tested and could cause unplanned/unpredictable results with which TAC will not 
support. With the TRC stuff, you pretty much need to follow the DocWiki and 
deployment guides chapter and verse.


If you'd like to be able to customize your UCS chassis and perhaps capitalize 
on co -residency allowances (again, within supported parameters), you'd want to 
look at something called a specs-based configuration or a data center product 
like a B series chassis.


If you'd like to provide us with some detail on what your long-term objectives 
are with the upgrade and some demographics on your user/device population we 
might be able to give you some more informed insight.


Hope that helps,


= Ryan =



Email: ryanthomash...@outlook.com

Spark: ryanthomash...@outlook.com

Twitter: @ryanthomashuff<http://twitter.com/ryanthomashuff>

LinkedIn: ryanthomashuff<http://linkedin.com/in/ryanthomashuff>

Web ryanthomashuff.com<http://ryanthomashuff.com>



From: cisco-voip <cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net> on behalf of Lelio 
Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:45 PM
To: cisco-voip voyp list
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


Thanks for everyone's responses. I read on one of the pages that BE7K comes 
pre-loaded with UCCx 4 vCPU OVA, but I'm guessing that I can run whatever OVA I 
want as long as it fits?

We were told that the BE7K is not customizable, even after ordering, so adding 
memory or anything like that is not permitted. This sort of makes me cringe. I 
like having the opportunity to add memory and/or additional NICs as with the 
other TRCs. Can't really justify it now, but as future versions come up, I'd 
like to have the ability to add more memory if the CUCM v11 or v12 version 
requires it.

It's really only memory and NIC throughput that I can see having to increase 
and only as the apps demand more with each version.

Lelio


---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph

519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354
le...@uoguelph.ca
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building
Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1


From: "Rob Dawson" <rdaw...@force3.com>
To: "cisco-voip voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 11:27:07 AM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


The newest BE7ks are built on C240 M4 hardware. The BE7H-M4-K9 is 20 cores, 128 
GB RAM, 4+ TB of available disk space, the BE7M-M4-K9 is 12 cores, 64 GB RAM, 
and around 2.6 TB available disk.



Cisco states on the data sheet that BE7k is “optimized for enterprise-scale 
organizations with 1000 to 5000 users and 3000 to 15,000 devices” but they also 
note “For more capacity to support larger sized deployments, simply stack 
additional servers. And in smaller sized deployments with less than 1000 users, 
typically more applications can be supported per server.”



I haven’t seen any practical limitations, and as pointed out by someone else 
you can use the VM Placement Tool to see what OVAs fit, and scale to size.



Rob



From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of 
Lamont, Joshua
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 10:21 AM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?



Sorry for the confusion... We had originally planned to install C240 M3s but 
swapped them out for the C240 M4s instead.


Joshua Lamont

Senior Telecommunications Engineer

Brown University

office (401) 863-1003

cell(401) 749-6913



On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
<le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:



There are BE7Ks built on the new UCS C240 M4s.



Or by "new" do you mean something else other than the 240M4s?





---
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Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)
University of Guelph



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From: "Joshua Lamont" <joshua_lam...@brown.edu<mailto:joshua_lam...@brown.edu>>
To: "Matthew Loraditch" 
<mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com<mailto

Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Thanks for everyone's responses. I read on one of the pages that BE7K comes 
pre-loaded with UCCx 4 vCPU OVA, but I'm guessing that I can run whatever OVA I 
want as long as it fits? 

We were told that the BE7K is not customizable, even after ordering, so adding 
memory or anything like that is not permitted. This sort of makes me cringe. I 
like having the opportunity to add memory and/or additional NICs as with the 
other TRCs. Can't really justify it now, but as future versions come up, I'd 
like to have the ability to add more memory if the CUCM v11 or v12 version 
requires it. 

It's really only memory and NIC throughput that I can see having to increase 
and only as the apps demand more with each version. 

Lelio 


--- 
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. 
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure 
Computing and Communications Services (CCS) 
University of Guelph 

519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354 
le...@uoguelph.ca 
www.uoguelph.ca/ccs 
Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building 
Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1 

- Original Message -

From: "Rob Dawson" <rdaw...@force3.com> 
To: "cisco-voip voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 11:27:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 



The newest BE7ks are built on C240 M4 hardware. The BE7H-M4-K9 is 20 cores, 128 
GB RAM, 4+ TB of available disk space, the BE7M-M4-K9 is 12 cores, 64 GB RAM, 
and around 2.6 TB available disk. 



Cisco states on the data sheet that BE7k is “optimized for enterprise-scale 
organizations with 1000 to 5000 users and 3000 to 15,000 devices” but they also 
note “For more capacity to support larger sized deployments, simply stack 
additional servers. And in smaller sized deployments with less than 1000 users, 
typically more applications can be supported per server.” 



I haven’t seen any practical limitations, and as pointed out by someone else 
you can use the VM Placement Tool to see what OVAs fit, and scale to size. 



Rob 



From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of 
Lamont, Joshua 
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 10:21 AM 
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 




Sorry for the confusion... We had originally planned to install C240 M3s but 
swapped them out for the C240 M4s instead. 





Joshua Lamont 


Senior Telecommunications Engineer 


Brown University 


office (401) 863-1003 


cell (401) 749-6913 





On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi < le...@uoguelph.ca > wrote: 





There are BE7Ks built on the new UCS C240 M4s. 





Or by "new" do you mean something else other than the 240M4s? 








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From: "Joshua Lamont" < joshua_lam...@brown.edu > 
To: "Matthew Loraditch" < mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com > 
Cc: "Lelio Fulgenzi" < le...@uoguelph.ca >, "cisco-voip voyp list" < 
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net > 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 





We're in the process of converting to Cisco UC and recently during our design 
phase swapped out the BE7Ks in favor of the new UCS C series severs. C240 M4s 
are used for the majority of our cluster. 





Joshua Lamont 


Senior Telecommunications Engineer 


Brown University 


office (401) 863-1003 


cell (401) 749-6913 





On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Matthew Loraditch < 
mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com > wrote: 


http://tools.cisco.com/ucs 

is your friend, pick your server model and the ovas you will use. 



In general though BE7K should be fine. No limitations besides overall 
resources. Just gotta figure out how many you need or want 




Matthew G. Loraditch – CCNP-Voice, CCNA-R, CCDA 
Network Engineer 
Direct Voice: 443.541.1518 

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From: cisco-voip [mailto: cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net ] On Behalf Of 
Lelio Fulgenzi 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:38 AM 
To: cisco-voip voyp list < cisco-voip@puck.nether.net > 
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not? 








We're spec'ing out some new UCS servers for our next upgrades. 





Still trying to figure out what, if any, limitations going with a BE7K might 
have. Does anyone care to share a reason why we shouldn't go with BE7K, or why 
we shouldn't go with a la cart using the BOM? 





There was once an issue with a limitation of users/devices, but I think that's 
gone now. My biggest concern is trying to do something on the BE7K and finding 
out only after that it's not allowed or supported. 





Any ideas would be great. 





Lelio 








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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?

[Rob Dawson]

Unless you are planning on running  co-resident database or messaging apps with 
large memory, storage, or IOPS requirements (which typically wouldn’t be run on 
a server with direct attached storage anyway) then you are likely not going to 
exceed the memory and disk capacity on the 7K.

A 10k user CUCM instance burns 4 cores, 8 GB RAM and 110 GB of disk. Based on 
the fact that over subscription of resources is not supported, in most cases 
you would probably run out of CPU before memory or disk space.

Rob

From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Lelio 
Fulgenzi
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 4:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


Thanks Ryan.

I hear what you're saying about the TRC and the listed components. I only raise 
the question about additional memory and additional NICs because in the docwiki 
it says that you can add both more memory and more NICs (of the same type) and 
still be TRC. Or at least that's the way I read it. (REF below)

As far as long term objectives, my concern is really with the changing VM 
memory requirements which may increase past the amount available. That being 
said, the "large" model has 124GB available to VMs, so I should be in good 
shape for a while.

I'll be building out the platforms using the UCS tool next week and see how 
that goes.



=

Reference:

http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#Memory_.2F_RAM

Under "UC on UCS TRC" column: Total available is listed in Table 1. Additional 
memory may be added.


http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/UC_Virtualization_Supported_Hardware#IO_Adapters.2C_Controllers_and_Devices_for_LAN_Access_and_Storage_Access



For UCS C-Series TRC:
must exactly match adapter vendor/model/technology (e.g. Intel i350 for 1GbE or 
QLogic QLE2462 for FC) listed in Table 1 BOMs.
Allowed NIC quantity must be same or higher than what is listed in Table 1 BOMs.

=


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From: "Ryan Huff" <ryanh...@outlook.com<mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>, "cisco-voip 
voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:02:30 PM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


Lelio,



Yes, you can remove the pre-installed VM's and deploy your own (with respect to 
the allowances of the TRC).



The reason adding additional hardware isn't supported is because the Business 
Edition UCS chassis's are sold as a TRC (Tested Reference Configuration); 
meaning that Cisco has tested a variety of approved configurations on the 
platform with which TAC will support end-to-end.



Configurations (hardware or software) outside those parameters have not been 
tested and could cause unplanned/unpredictable results with which TAC will not 
support. With the TRC stuff, you pretty much need to follow the DocWiki and 
deployment guides chapter and verse.



If you'd like to be able to customize your UCS chassis and perhaps capitalize 
on co -residency allowances (again, within supported parameters), you'd want to 
look at something called a specs-based configuration or a data center product 
like a B series chassis.



If you'd like to provide us with some detail on what your long-term objectives 
are with the upgrade and some demographics on your user/device population we 
might be able to give you some more informed insight.



Hope that helps,


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From: cisco-voip 
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on behalf of Lelio Fulgenzi <le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 3:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K or not?


Thanks for everyone's responses. I read on one of the pages that BE7K comes 
pre-loaded with UCCx 4 vCPU OVA, but I'm guessing that I can run whatever OVA I 
want as long as it fits?

We were told that the BE7K is not customizable, even after ordering, so adding 
memory or anything like that is not permitted. This sort of makes me cringe. I 
like having the opportunity 

Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

[Heim, Dennis]

I just turned up 6 BE7k’s this week, integrated to UCS Fabric Interconnects, 
but the NIC’s showed up out of the gate no problem.


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From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 3:01 PM
To: Rob Dawson
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

I havent tried reseating them yet,will give it ago in the morning but its 
strange that I have 4 servers that are all the same.
On 7 April 2015 at 20:19, Rob Dawson 
rdaw...@force3.commailto:rdaw...@force3.com wrote:
Have you reseated the cards or tried swapping with known working cards?

I’ve definitely seen bad risers in out of box failures before . . . not two in 
one batch though.

Rob

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 On Behalf Of Tommy Schlotterer
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Nick; cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

Did you use the Cisco ESXI custom image?

It has custom drivers for the server.

Tommy

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Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:15 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

Hi All

I have four BE7K (UCS C240 M3S) servers that have the two quad port network 
cards, they all came prebuilt with ESXi 5.5 U2 on them, however only the 
on-board Nic's show up anywhere, I cant see the quad card ports in the BIOS, 
CIMC or ESXi?

I have the ports on the quad cards patched and the switchports come up but 
cannot get the ports to appear, have checked BIOS etc but cannot see where they 
woudl be enabled.

Anyone come across anything like this before?

Regards

Nick

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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

[Nick]

Hi Tommy

These came pre built from Cisco as part of the BE7K bundle so I would hope
that they had built them using the Custom image, a copy of the custom ISO
is on the datastore so have to assume so.

Regards
On 7 April 2015 at 19:16, Tommy Schlotterer tschlotte...@netechcorp.com
wrote:

 Did you use the Cisco ESXI custom image?



 It has custom drivers for the server.



 Tommy



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 Of *Nick
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:15 PM
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 *Subject:* [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue



 Hi All



 I have four BE7K (UCS C240 M3S) servers that have the two quad port
 network cards, they all came prebuilt with ESXi 5.5 U2 on them, however
 only the on-board Nic's show up anywhere, I cant see the quad card ports in
 the BIOS, CIMC or ESXi?



 I have the ports on the quad cards patched and the switchports come up but
 cannot get the ports to appear, have checked BIOS etc but cannot see where
 they woudl be enabled.



 Anyone come across anything like this before?



 Regards



 Nick

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[cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

[Nick]

Hi All

I have four BE7K (UCS C240 M3S) servers that have the two quad port network
cards, they all came prebuilt with ESXi 5.5 U2 on them, however only the
on-board Nic's show up anywhere, I cant see the quad card ports in the
BIOS, CIMC or ESXi?

I have the ports on the quad cards patched and the switchports come up but
cannot get the ports to appear, have checked BIOS etc but cannot see where
they woudl be enabled.

Anyone come across anything like this before?

Regards

Nick
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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

[Tommy Schlotterer]

Did you use the Cisco ESXI custom image?

It has custom drivers for the server.

Tommy

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From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:15 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

Hi All

I have four BE7K (UCS C240 M3S) servers that have the two quad port network 
cards, they all came prebuilt with ESXi 5.5 U2 on them, however only the 
on-board Nic's show up anywhere, I cant see the quad card ports in the BIOS, 
CIMC or ESXi?

I have the ports on the quad cards patched and the switchports come up but 
cannot get the ports to appear, have checked BIOS etc but cannot see where they 
woudl be enabled.

Anyone come across anything like this before?

Regards

Nick
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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

[Ryan Ratliff (rratliff)]

If CIMC can’t see them then ESXi doesn’t have a shot.  Have you tried 
re-seating them?  If so grab a CIMC tech support bundle and open a TAC SR.

-Ryan

On Apr 7, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Nick 
csv...@googlemail.commailto:csv...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Tommy

These came pre built from Cisco as part of the BE7K bundle so I would hope that 
they had built them using the Custom image, a copy of the custom ISO is on the 
datastore so have to assume so.

Regards
On 7 April 2015 at 19:16, Tommy Schlotterer 
tschlotte...@netechcorp.commailto:tschlotte...@netechcorp.com wrote:
Did you use the Cisco ESXI custom image?

It has custom drivers for the server.

Tommy

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CCNA, CCNA Voice
48325 Alpha Dr. Ste. 150
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From: cisco-voip 
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 On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:15 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

Hi All

I have four BE7K (UCS C240 M3S) servers that have the two quad port network 
cards, they all came prebuilt with ESXi 5.5 U2 on them, however only the 
on-board Nic's show up anywhere, I cant see the quad card ports in the BIOS, 
CIMC or ESXi?

I have the ports on the quad cards patched and the switchports come up but 
cannot get the ports to appear, have checked BIOS etc but cannot see where they 
woudl be enabled.

Anyone come across anything like this before?

Regards

Nick

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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

[Rob Dawson]

Have you reseated the cards or tried swapping with known working cards?

I’ve definitely seen bad risers in out of box failures before . . . not two in 
one batch though.

Rob

From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Tommy 
Schlotterer
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Nick; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

Did you use the Cisco ESXI custom image?

It has custom drivers for the server.

Tommy

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CCNA, CCNA Voice
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From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:15 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] BE7K Network card issue

Hi All

I have four BE7K (UCS C240 M3S) servers that have the two quad port network 
cards, they all came prebuilt with ESXi 5.5 U2 on them, however only the 
on-board Nic's show up anywhere, I cant see the quad card ports in the BIOS, 
CIMC or ESXi?

I have the ports on the quad cards patched and the switchports come up but 
cannot get the ports to appear, have checked BIOS etc but cannot see where they 
woudl be enabled.

Anyone come across anything like this before?

Regards

Nick
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Re: [cisco-voip] BE7K Unity Connections 5,000 User

[Ryan Ratliff (rratliff)]

The same table that has the see notes for CUC 9 on the Medium TRCs says Yes 
(with no notes) for 10.5 so I'd assume the OVA has been updated already and you 
don't have to mess with anything.

Since BE7Ks that ship today include a pre-deployed version of CUCM 10.5 I'm 
very certain this is the case.

-Ryan

On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Ryan Huff 
ryanh...@outlook.commailto:ryanh...@outlook.com wrote:

Looks like the DocWiki says I can run Unity Connections 5,000 user on the 
BE7K-K9 SKU but states an OVA mod needed for 8.x and 9.x. I am guessing the 
same holds true in 10.5?

Thanks,

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[cisco-voip] BE7K Unity Connections 5,000 User

[Ryan Huff]

Looks like the DocWiki says I can run Unity Connections 5,000 user on the 
BE7K-K9 SKU but states an OVA mod needed for 8.x and 9.x. I am guessing the 
same holds true in 10.5?

Thanks,

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