[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-12-06 Thread Stuart Walsh
Before I finish, let me just say I'm surprised there hasn't been any further revival of the English guitar when compared to, for example, the lute, as its a wonderful and unique instrument that never quite reached what it could and unfortunately died before its time. Best regards

[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-12-05 Thread Pedro Silva
Sorry for bringing up this topic again, but after reading all the comments, I couldn't resist dropping my own, even if mostly useless, testimony ;-) I observed that some people misinterpreted Cabral's comments as portraying the complete dismissal of the influence of the English guitar on its

[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-12-05 Thread Doc Rossi
On Dec 5, 2006, at 9:46 PM, Pedro Silva wrote: Before I finish, let me just say I'm surprised there hasn't been any further revival of the English guitar when compared to, for example, the lute, as its a wonderful and unique instrument that never quite reached what it could and

[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-11-02 Thread Doc Rossi
I had a look at my copy of Galpin's Old English Instruments of Music (1932) while unpacking, and he calls the EC a type of cittern. If you have a look at Plate VIII, you'll see a cittern by Peter Wisser dated c.1700 that clearly shows a uniformly deep body on a four- course instrument.

[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-11-01 Thread Frank Nordberg
Pedro Caldeira Cabral sent me this reply to my wild Portuguese guitar theories and asked me to forward it to the list. Frank --- Pedro Caldeira Cabral wrote: Some clariffying remarks: The word VIOLA in portuguese only appeared in the late 19th and was applied to a precise instrument: a

[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-10-31 Thread Frank Nordberg
Martina Rosenberger wrote: What you have read between the lines, could mean, that the portuguese 'Guitar' could be the godfather of the English 'Guitar'. Yes, although could is of course an essential word here. I'd love to learn a bit more about the sources Cabrals quote. Very much of this

[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-10-31 Thread David Kilpatrick
Frank Nordberg wrote: ? Guitarra was originally the Iberian name for the gittern or some other cittern-like instrument. Frank, I think it is all one single root possibly confusing two Indo-European compound words, each meaning 'so many strings'. kythera, cythera, zither, cistre, cetra,

[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-10-31 Thread Roger E. Blumberg
From: David Kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:56:23 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Cittern NET cittern@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer) Take into account multiple

[CITTERN] Re: Early 18th C. Portuguese guitar (was: Pedro Cabrals answer)

2006-10-31 Thread James A Stimson
Dear All: Aren't all of these words derivations of the Greek kitara? Guitar, guittar, gittern, quintern, cittern, cetra, citole, setula, zither, plus the Persion zetar, the Indian sitar, and probably many others all seem to come from one linguistic root. So it's no wonder there's some