Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-23 Thread Daniel Spies
On 02/23/2015 02:27 PM, Ian Eiloart wrote: If your goal is to separate authenticated from unauthenticated mail, the place to do it is not at the port, but at the IP address. Use a different server, and publish new MX records. Here, we don’t use a different physical server, we have two IP

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-23 Thread Ian Eiloart
On 22 Feb 2015, at 02:13, Daniel Spies ds20150222c...@pskx.net wrote: On 02/22/2015 02:47 AM, Noel Jones wrote: Anyway, if your goal is to disable scanning on submission, it's probably best to edit the master.cf submission service to not call clamav-milter at all. (I would strongly

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 23.02.15 14:46, Daniel Spies wrote: The process configured to use msa.example.com (or more likely smtp.example.com to satisfy some autoconfiguration algorithms) would listen on ports 587, 25, and 465 (unfortunately, there are still clients that like to use this port for ssl-on-connect) On

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, February 23, 2015 03:35:57 PM Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 23.02.15 14:46, Daniel Spies wrote: The process configured to use msa.example.com (or more likely smtp.example.com to satisfy some autoconfiguration algorithms) would listen on ports 587, 25, and 465 (unfortunately,

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-23 Thread Daniel Spies
On 02/23/2015 03:35 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: just a week or two ago I read discussion where the 465 was preferred, because SSL is mandatory there, so there's no chance for clients to authenticate without SSL encryption. ...just FYI. Encryption in my setup is mandatory, too. I just

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 23.02.15 14:46, Daniel Spies wrote: The process configured to use msa.example.com (or more likely smtp.example.com to satisfy some autoconfiguration algorithms) would listen on ports 587, 25, and 465 (unfortunately, there are still clients that like to use this port for ssl-on-connect) On

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 02/23/2015 03:35 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: just a week or two ago I read discussion where the 465 was preferred, because SSL is mandatory there, so there's no chance for clients to authenticate without SSL encryption. ...just FYI. On 23.02.15 15:45, Daniel Spies wrote: Encryption in

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-23 Thread Simon Hobson
Daniel Spies ds20150222c...@pskx.net wrote: I don't get how you find it more appropriate to silently reject someone's e-mail I don't. I don't know where you got that from - perhaps it's from seeing so many examples of bad practice that's become the norm so you assume everyone is that bad ?

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-22 Thread Noel Jones
On 2/22/2015 12:18 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote: Daniel Spies skrev den 2015-02-22 03:19: Yes, but I have (still) enabled sending e-mail to port 25. This would only work for submission (see my other e-mail). yes i remember that problem here aswell, so far i think postfix does not honner it to

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-22 Thread Simon Hobson
Daniel Spies ds20150222c...@pskx.net wrote: In my opinion, it doesn't make any sense to scan e-mail leaving the server. The recipient will never trust these tags anyway. So why scan at all? It's important to scan incoming mail, be it from a local or an external client. I disagree.

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-22 Thread Daniel Spies
On 02/22/2015 10:08 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: Recipients may not trust the tags, but it *should* stop outbound spam/infected mail should your machine (or one of the clients) get compromised. IMO spam and malware is not just something to stop coming in, it's something to porevent going out - if

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-22 Thread Simon Hobson
OK, this is getting well off-topic for this list, this will be my final say on the matter - and from some of the other comments I see I'm not alone in considering you part of the problem. Daniel Spies ds20150222c...@pskx.net wrote: Recipients may not trust the tags, but it *should* stop

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-22 Thread Daniel Spies
On 02/22/2015 07:13 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: sure it makes sense to scan outgoing mail. Maybe in a company network, yes. But I don't care for the computers of my clients -- these are their computers. *If* they get infected somehow, I have measures to stop them from doing harm

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-22 Thread Dennis Peterson
On 2/22/15 12:32 PM, Daniel Spies wrote: On 02/22/2015 09:18 PM, Dennis Peterson wrote: While I disagree with everything you've said I am glad you've spoken out. My job would be far easier if everyone did so. Could you be more precise? The quintessence of my last message was: 1. A company

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-22 Thread Daniel Spies
On 02/22/2015 10:43 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: OK, this is getting well off-topic for this list, this will be my final say on the matter Agreed. Which is one reason it's very important to make sure you are not part of the problem. Allowing a customer to sent nasties through your mail server

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-21 Thread Noel Jones
On 2/21/2015 7:28 PM, Daniel Spies wrote: On 02/22/2015 01:54 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote: LocalNet localdomain This gives no error, but clamav-milter is still scanning/tagging outgoing e-mail. I'm sending e-mail from port 587 (smtp/submission, postfix). The originating client is the system

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-21 Thread Daniel Spies
On 02/22/2015 02:47 AM, Noel Jones wrote: Anyway, if your goal is to disable scanning on submission, it's probably best to edit the master.cf submission service to not call clamav-milter at all. (I would strongly recommend scanning all mail, but that's a local policy decision) As already

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-21 Thread Benny Pedersen
Daniel Spies skrev den 2015-02-22 03:19: Yes, but I have (still) enabled sending e-mail to port 25. This would only work for submission (see my other e-mail). yes i remember that problem here aswell, so far i think postfix does not honner it to disable smtp auth on port 25 while have it

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-21 Thread Daniel Spies
On 02/22/2015 01:54 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote: LocalNet localdomain This gives no error, but clamav-milter is still scanning/tagging outgoing e-mail. I'm sending e-mail from port 587 (smtp/submission, postfix). PS: why does 127.0.0.1 not resolve ? It does though: LocalNet 127.0.0.1 --

Re: [clamav-users] clamav-milter LocalNet option / outgoing mail (Debian Wheezy)

2015-02-21 Thread Benny Pedersen
Daniel Spies skrev den 2015-02-22 02:28: Maybe LocalNet is the wrong option (?) but how else would I stop clamav-milter from scanning outgoing e-mail then? in postfix master.cf: for the pickup add -o non_smtpd_milters= eg no milter for this service or much better dont add milters in