Ken Wesson writes:
> Ah. So, like the confused situations you get with Java's mutable
> collections. Two lists are equal if they have the same contents in the
> same order -- but then you use one as a key in a hashmap, and then add
> an item to it, and boom! Clojure separates this stuff out becau
Is there a natively compiled version of Clojure? Is there any plans to
do so?
Thanks
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2010/12/20 Tim Daly
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> On 12/19/2010 10:53 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
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>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Tim Daly
>> wrote:
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>>> On 12/19/2010 10:21 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>>>
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Tim Daly
wrote:
> On 12/19/2010 9:24 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>
On 12/19/2010 10:53 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
On 12/19/2010 10:21 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Tim Daly
wrote:
On 12/19/2010 9:24 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tim Daly
wrote:
On 12/19/201
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:24:42 -0500
Ken Wesson wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12/19/2010 8:20 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Tim Daly
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I didn't mean to imply that other people
> >>> don't have the
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> On 12/19/2010 10:21 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Tim Daly
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2010 9:24 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tim Daly
wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2010 8:20
On 12/19/2010 10:21 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
On 12/19/2010 9:24 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tim Daly
wrote:
On 12/19/2010 8:20 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Tim Daly
wrote:
I didn't me
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
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>
> On 12/19/2010 9:24 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tim Daly
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2010 8:20 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Tim Daly
wrote:
>
> I didn't mean to
On 12/19/2010 9:24 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
On 12/19/2010 8:20 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Tim Daly
wrote:
I didn't mean to imply that other people
don't have the "ah-hah!" experience with
other languages. However
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
> Has everyone on this list developed a sudden allergy to plain text and
> HTML? First I get pointed to a 34-minute video, and now this. A simple
> bulleted list with a brief precis about each item would have sufficed;
> a multi-megabyte install o
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
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>
> On 12/19/2010 8:20 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Tim Daly
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn't mean to imply that other people
>>> don't have the "ah-hah!" experience with
>>> other languages. However, I have only had
>>
On 12/19/2010 8:33 PM, Eric Schulte wrote:
Tim Daly writes:
Haskell has neat ideas but I've seen them before in lisp-based
systems. I work in a language which is strongly typed, allows
currying, is functional, etc., implemented in Common Lisp. I have
not found the "ah-hah!" in Haskell.
Sou
Tim Daly writes:
>
> Haskell has neat ideas but I've seen them before in lisp-based
> systems. I work in a language which is strongly typed, allows
> currying, is functional, etc., implemented in Common Lisp. I have
> not found the "ah-hah!" in Haskell.
>
Sounds interesting, could you share a po
On 12/19/2010 8:20 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
I didn't mean to imply that other people
don't have the "ah-hah!" experience with
other languages. However, I have only had
the (before lisp)|(after lisp) experience
with lisp.
Your enlightenment migh
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
> I didn't mean to imply that other people
> don't have the "ah-hah!" experience with
> other languages. However, I have only had
> the (before lisp)|(after lisp) experience
> with lisp.
>
> Your enlightenment might vary.
>
> Rich gave his "Whitehe
I didn't mean to imply that other people
don't have the "ah-hah!" experience with
other languages. However, I have only had
the (before lisp)|(after lisp) experience
with lisp.
Your enlightenment might vary.
Rich gave his "Whitehead" talk and brought
up the fact that OO languages get several
th
On Dec 18, 8:51 pm, javajosh wrote:
> A little googling revealed that Google App Engine will work:
App Engine very much works. Please use https://github.com/gcv/appengine-magic
(and help me test the v0.4.0 branch, which adds support for the latest
App Engine SDK). It's unfortunate that search res
On 12/19/2010 7:31 PM, Vagif Verdi wrote:
Haskell has aha moments too. And it is not lisp.
The definition of "lisp" i accept is much simpler and much more
obvious: source code of the program is a valid data structure in that
language.
I agree that you can't BE a lisp without homoiconicity. H
On 12/19/2010 6:41 PM, javajosh wrote:
Can you articulate it any better than "ah hah!"?
The proper response is "moo".
But I think there is a point where you "get" concepts
like the distinction between values and identity which
are fundamental. Whatever the event, it feels like
whatever I writ
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Vagif Verdi wrote:
> Haskell has aha moments too. And it is not lisp.
>
> The definition of "lisp" i accept is much simpler and much more
> obvious: source code of the program is a valid data structure in that
> language.
Access to the parse tree. C source code i
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Vagif Verdi wrote:
> Haskell has aha moments too. And it is not lisp.
er, yeah, 2nd'd. totally. i mean, same for plenty of programming
languages. and certainly not the same thing for everybody. ah-hahs are
subjective. if i "get" lisp but never had an ah hah becaus
Haskell has aha moments too. And it is not lisp.
The definition of "lisp" i accept is much simpler and much more
obvious: source code of the program is a valid data structure in that
language.
On Dec 19, 11:33 am, Tim Daly wrote:
> There have been discussions, here and elsewhere, about
> whet
so i updated this to work with nested arguments which is what i really
wanted to use it for in the first place. i almost always end up
creating a map of config settings and this makes it easy for me to
override things from the CL.
regarding the getopt stuff, i kind of agree but dont particularly l
"sha-wing"? :D
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:41 PM, javajosh wrote:
> Can you articulate it any better than "ah hah!"?
>
> On Dec 19, 11:33 am, Tim Daly wrote:
>> There have been discussions, here and elsewhere, about
>> whether Clojure is a "Lisp". Lots of discussion centers
>> around facts like
Can you articulate it any better than "ah hah!"?
On Dec 19, 11:33 am, Tim Daly wrote:
> There have been discussions, here and elsewhere, about
> whether Clojure is a "Lisp". Lots of discussion centers
> around facts like homoiconicity, or the REPL, or the
> debate of Rich's redefinition of lisp
> Does anyone know how to set connection or read timeouts for clj-http?
I didn't see anything in the API. clj-apache-http has that option though
(setting http.socket.timeout parameter).
HTH,
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Tim Daly wrote:
> The most fundamental thing about "Lisp" is that there is
> this universal but personal event when you suddenly
> "get it". This does not seem to happen with other languages.
I think it's true to some extent with most languages - particularly
tho
There have been discussions, here and elsewhere, about
whether Clojure is a "Lisp". Lots of discussion centers
around facts like homoiconicity, or the REPL, or the
debate of Rich's redefinition of lisp primitives, etc.
These are arguments about the paint on the palace.
I have struggled with this
Does anyone know how to set connection or read timeouts for clj-http?
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Hi,
Am 19.12.2010 um 19:35 schrieb Robert McIntyre:
> @Ken Wesson: do you mean something like this:
> https://gist.github.com/747571
Maybe I'm missing something, but why don't you just call the multimethod itself
again in the trampoline fn?
Sincerely
Meikel
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@Ken Wesson: do you mean something like this:
https://gist.github.com/747571
My fists stab at this technique looks kinda ugly though...
Is there a way to somehow embed the trampoline inside the recursive definition?
Is there a way to get the actual dispatch function other than
(.dispatchFn multime
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:06 PM, jim wrote:
> David,
>
> I started looking at Logos tonight. Really nice. I like the way its
> heading. Looking forward to using it.
>
> Jim
Thanks! Next steps are:
- disequality constraints
- nominal logic
- tabling
Once those are in, I think that's a good fo
What do people think about extending the definition of partial in core
to work on just a single argument?
That is, if you call partial with just a function and no arguments, it
just returns the function.
It seems to follow logically from the other airties.
For a case where this is useful, see ht
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Hi,
Am 19.12.2010 um 16:46 schrieb Ken Wesson:
> If we had a (resolve-method multi & args) that resolved dispatch and
> then returned a fn that would call the method with those same args --
> so ((resolve-method multi & args)) <=> (multi & args) -- then this
> could be used with trampoline in cas
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Sunil S Nandihalli
wrote:
> thanks Meikel for your clarification.. I used to think loop recur almost
> removed the need for TCO .. but here is a case where true TCO could be
> really helpfull..
If we had a (resolve-method multi & args) that resolved dispatch and
thanks Meikel for your clarification.. I used to think loop recur almost
removed the need for TCO .. but here is a case where true TCO could be
really helpfull..
Sunil.
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 19.12.2010 um 08:30 schrieb Sunil S Nandihalli:
>
> > He
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 19.12.2010 um 11:36 schrieb nicolas.o...@gmail.com:
>
>> There is no static typing in Clojure. So the notion of return type do
>> not really exists.
>
> Yes. The type system of eg. Haskell or OCaml is another layer of informat
Hi,
Am 19.12.2010 um 11:36 schrieb nicolas.o...@gmail.com:
> There is no static typing in Clojure. So the notion of return type do
> not really exists.
Yes. The type system of eg. Haskell or OCaml is another layer of information,
which you don't have in Clojure. On the other, it's another bad c
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Tim Daly wrote:
> Axiom, a computer algebra system I maintain,
> can dispatch on return type. I am looking at
> the things Clojure can do that might support
> the Spad language (the mathematical language
> in Axiom). I could not find a way to adjust
> the multimet
In Joy of Clojure, there is a callback API to blocking API example in
the section on promises. Chouser outlines it a briefly in a
discussion on Promise/Deliver use cases here -
http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/b1548aa40ba8072/210ec81bfe26032e?lnk=gst&q=promise#210ec81bf
Hi,
Am 19.12.2010 um 08:30 schrieb Sunil S Nandihalli:
> Hello everybody,
> It would be nice if calling recur inside a defmethod redispatched on the new
> arguments.. I have shown a simple use-case in the following gist.
> https://gist.github.com/747171
>
> It might be naive .. but I feel IMHO
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