Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-20 Thread Julian
Thanks Jay, Those articles are indeed inspirational. I was just wondering - back from your TW days - would the arguments in those articles make sense for a TW consultant to present to a client? Cheers, Julian On Tuesday, 19 June 2012 01:22:34 UTC+10, Jay Fields wrote: learning curve, and

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-20 Thread Jay Fields
That's a complicated question. I think consultants* are incentivized to present new technologies to clients and convince them it's the right choice.** However, I don't think it ends up being the right choice for the company on most occasions. I wish that weren't true, but I believe that's the most

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-20 Thread Andy Coolware
Oh, and I also believe training is mostly a waste of resources. Training is pushing information. It really depends how it is constructed. If it is a domain knowledge - this is just a info push. If this is a skill to be acquired - I have seen many hands on dedicated labs very effective. Now

How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-18 Thread Murtaza Husain
Hi, Just wanted to get pointers on how do you manage the training of recruits. It is difficult to find clojure talent, and we are located in India, where it is close to impossible. Also the non availability of talent becomes a hard sell to management too while introducing clojure projects. How

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-18 Thread Chris Ford
When it comes to new graduates, they'll probably latch onto Clojure just as quickly as to Java or anything else. At EuroClojure, Jon Pither and Hakan Raberg mentioned that in their mixed Java/Clojure ecosystem they train new hires on Clojure, which eventually makes them better Java programmers!

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-18 Thread Bill Caputo
On Jun 18, 2012, at 2:11 AM, Murtaza Husain wrote: Hi, Just wanted to get pointers on how do you manage the training of recruits. It is difficult to find clojure talent, I don't hire based on knowledge, I hire based on ability/desire to *learn*. For senior people I also want the same

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-18 Thread Murtaza Husain
Bill that is very interesting. So how do you make them learn. Do you pair them up with someone who knows on some task? I mean how do you structure learning ? Bcoz as you mentioned that put them into a team where everyone likes to share, however everyone may be working on things above them, and

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-18 Thread Bill Caputo
On Jun 18, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Murtaza Husain wrote: Bill that is very interesting. So how do you make them learn. Haha, I don't make anyone do *anything* on my team (I'm not exaggerating). My first (and more or less last) directive as team-lead is to declare it a team of peers. We ask people

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-18 Thread Murtaza Husain
Thanks Bill !! On Monday, June 18, 2012 5:19:06 PM UTC+5:30, Bill Caputo wrote: On Jun 18, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Murtaza Husain wrote: Bill that is very interesting. So how do you make them learn. Haha, I don't make anyone do *anything* on my team (I'm not exaggerating). My first (and

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-18 Thread Jay Fields
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Murtaza Husain murtaza.hus...@sevenolives.com wrote: Hi, Just wanted to get pointers on how do you manage the training of recruits. It is difficult to find clojure talent, and we are located in India, where it is close to impossible. Also the non

Re: How to speed up Clojure Training for New Recruitment

2012-06-18 Thread Devin Walters
Start a meetup group. The people who show up more than a few times with no up front promise of a job opportunity will likely be the kind of people you want to hire. (Don't tell recruiters that though, please.) In addition, it gives you an opportunity to talk to potential hires in a relaxed