Re: Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-12 Thread martin_clausen
Tim, Judge Alsup did not conflate patent and copyright law. With regards to asserting copyright in the Java API he concludes: To repeat, Section 102(b) states that “in no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method

Re: Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-12 Thread Phillip Lord
(several different) licenses. The problem with Google was that they were in breach of the terms of these licenses and were claiming that they just didn't need one since the API was not copyrightable anyway. Phil d...@axiom-developer.org writes: It appears that the Java API can be copyright protected

Re: Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-12 Thread u1204
Judge Alsup did not conflate patent and copyright law. With regards to asserting copyright in the Java API he concludes: ...[snip]... Good point. I was wrong. The higher court ruled that Oracle DID have a copyright claim. I'm not a lawyer but I've read 3 books on intellectual property law.

Re: Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-11 Thread daly
At the risk of getting slightly off-topic here, here's a comment on Hacker News from a well-respected commenter on legal issues - he's a lawyer specialising in startup and technology law and his analysis is uniformly excellent. He argues that while the result may be unpalatable, it's by no

Re: Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-11 Thread Andy Fingerhut
Tim, I am assuming you are aware of the non-Java Clojures called ClojureScript and Clojure on .NET. There are multiple other non-Java Clojure versions of varying degrees of completeness and polish. To my knowledge, they explicitly do not try to maintain compatibility at the Java API level --

Re: Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-11 Thread u1204
Andy, Yes, I'm aware of those other efforts. ClojureScript is attacking a different platform so it is clear that some things aren't going to work. Specifically for Clojure, is there a clear line between the non-Java language and the compatiblity at the Java API level? A lot of Clojure

Re: Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-11 Thread Daniel Orias
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:37:36 PM UTC-7, da...@axiom-developer.org wrote: At the risk of getting slightly off-topic here, here's a comment on Hacker News from a well-respected commenter on legal issues - he's a lawyer specialising in startup and technology law and his analysis is

Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-10 Thread daly
It appears that the Java API can be copyright protected. This would mean that you have to get Oracle's permission and possibly pay a fee to use it. http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/9/5699958/federal-court-overturns-google-v-oracle Tim Daly -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Java API is copyright protected?

2014-05-10 Thread Colin Fleming
implementations. On 11 May 2014 12:31, d...@axiom-developer.org wrote: It appears that the Java API can be copyright protected. This would mean that you have to get Oracle's permission and possibly pay a fee to use it. http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/9/5699958/federal-court-overturns-google-v