Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?

2015-04-04 Thread Tj Gabbour
Hi! This highly depends on what’s most effective for you. If I were your tutor [1], I’d hear “but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp,” and take that as a strong indicator that this path (first exploring Emacs) might be effective for you. Useful to probe more deeply into two threads:

Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?

2015-04-04 Thread Tj Gabbour
Oh, and I'd try to figure out if this theory has any merit: do things like paredit and yasnippet help you intuitively think in terms of manipulating structure rather than text? Because in Clojure, you're constantly transforming and pushing around units of data. On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at

Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?

2015-04-04 Thread Bozhidar Batsov
You can definitely start using Emacs without having to learn Emacs Lisp. Unless you're planning to write some custom extensions or customize your setup wildly you can go a very long way with just cursory knowledge of Emacs Lisp. At any rate - knowing any Lisp dialect makes it relatively easy to

Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?

2015-04-04 Thread Bozhidar Batsov
Ops, I meant to say CCW, not CCC. :-) On 4 April 2015 at 10:43, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Please also note that Counterclockwise, the Eclipse plugin for Clojure, also comes with all all-inclusive zip archive which makes you as easy to start creating a new project as

Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?

2015-04-04 Thread Laurent PETIT
Please also note that Counterclockwise, the Eclipse plugin for Clojure, also comes with all all-inclusive zip archive which makes you as easy to start creating a new project as Download / Unzip / Start: http://doc.ccw-ide.org/documentation.html#install-as-standalone-product 2015-04-04 3:54

Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?

2015-04-03 Thread Juvenn Woo
Agree with Andy. As a starter, it is better and faster to learn Clojure alone. After you grasped one, the other lisps will be easy to follow. Emacs has been the de facto goto choice for most here, it is highly recommended to invest into it. Other than that, there're vim fireplace, as well as

Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?

2015-04-03 Thread Andy Fingerhut
If your goal is to learn Clojure, I would recommend not learning Emacs Lisp at the same time, just to avoid confusion that may arise in your mind due to the differences between the two. You can use Emacs without learning Emacs Lisp with no problem. I've used Emacs for 20 years, and only know a