Hi, I'm just back after some vacations without Internet connections. Please
give me a couple more days to emerge from the tons of emails and workload,
and I'll gladly help you in any possible ways.
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On Jul 18, 2:31 am,
On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
Or, the traditional thing: full control, but tab or something will
reindent the current line, or all lines intersecting the selection if
any, to structurally-correct positions based on all of the code above,
if tab is hit outside a string
- I wish that Swing was prettier on the eye. I love nice GUIs.
Me too. I think in the long run the coolest thing will be an in-
browser clojure IDE for clojure-in-javascript, especially when multi-
threaded javascript becomes available in web browsers.
Maybe you should drop Swing and start
On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Clojure Neophyte wrote:
Again, for Clojure to have wider adoption it should have a beginners' IDE. It
shouldn't be distributed just as jar files.
FWIW I just double-clicked on the clooj jar and it launched like any other
application -- I didn't have to know
nice name ! thanks again for new ide
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On 18 Lug, 18:40, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tamreen,
On Jul 18, 5:38 am, Tamreen Khan histor...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt,
user=, be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt
and
Cool project, especially if it manages to *stay* lightweight :)
It is indeed difficult to build a console with Swing's text
components. Actually, I think it's difficult with the out-of-the-box
text components in just about any toolkit. They're not designed for it
and there are a ton of edge cases
FWIW I just double-clicked on the clooj jar and it launched like any other
application -- I didn't have to know that it was a jar or even what a jar is.
Assuming that this also works on other OSes (I'm using Mac OS X) then I think
this is already beginner friendly. I *think* it also
Hi Dave,
Cool project, especially if it manages to *stay* lightweight :)
Thanks -- I hope it will! :)
* You might want to take a look at JSyntaxPane
(https://code.google.com/p/jsyntaxpane/) for the editor. In theory
adding Clojure syntax highlighting should be straightforward and they
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp abp...@googlemail.com wrote:
Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the
default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until
one opts in again using TAB or something?
If I add an expression around existing code, I
This is a first for me, a Clojure IDE that just works.
Big thumbs up!
Ambrose
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Yep, this is great! How about syntax highlighting?
On Jul 18, 10:03 am, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com
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Hi Everyone,
I want to let you know about clooj, a small, simple IDE for clojure
that I have been developing (in clojure). It's packaged as a single
jar file (including
This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's Paredit?
https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj
Any roadmap for features? Syntax highlight, autocomplete etc?
Regards,
Shantanu
On Jul 18, 12:03 pm, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com
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Hi Everyone,
I want to let you
I am *very* excited to see this project, which I think could be a great
addition to the Clojure world, particularly for newcomers and those of us who
teach them.
First critical reactions:
- I put a high premium on auto-indendentation, and clooj seems to get this
right when hitting return
- I just created a new project and I get a user prompt in the REPL pane but I
can't type anything into that... so I can't actually try it... I click in
there but I don't get a cursor there, and typing does nothing. In case it
matters I'm running Mac OS 10.6.8 and java -version says:
It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt,
user=, be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt
and the results be shown in the same area?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Adam Burry abu...@gmail.com wrote:
- I just created a new project and I
Yep, this is great! How about syntax highlighting?
Thanks, good suggestion! I'm not a huge fan of most syntax
highlighting -- what do you think would be helpful but unobtrusive?
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On Jul 18, 2:31 am, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote:
This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's
Paredit?https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj
Thanks, that's a very interesting idea. Perhaps, if Laurent doesn't
mind! :)
Any roadmap for features? Syntax
Hi Florian,
but somehow i can't save ...
It always says Oops Unable to save file
Sorry, you need to choose File New first, or open a project with
existing source files. I will try to fix this issue soon.
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Hi Lee,
Tab moves it to the right, shift-tab moves it to the left, but is there a
way to say move it to the correct place
A very good point -- added to the clooj github issues.
- I just created a new project and I get a user prompt in the REPL pane but I
can't type anything into that...
On Jul 18, 7:24 pm, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com
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On Jul 18, 2:31 am, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote:
This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's
Paredit?https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj
Thanks, that's a very interesting idea.
On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Arthur Edelstein wrote:
The REPL input is the lower right pane. I think I should add some
labels on each pane.
Ah yes -- now I see it and that works fine. Thanks also to Adam Burry for
pointing this out. As Tamreen Khan noted it's a little confusing that
On Jul 18, 3:16 am, Florian Over florian.o...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hmm, good idea
but somehow i can't save ...
It always says Oops Unable to save file
When i'm at home i will give it another try.
Hi Florian,
There are two requirements:
1. You need to have a project open, in a writable
Hi Tamreen,
On Jul 18, 5:38 am, Tamreen Khan histor...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt,
user=, be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt
and the results be shown in the same area?
That is a good point. I wanted a
The REPL input is the lower right pane. I think I should add some
labels on each pane.
Ah yes -- now I see it and that works fine. Thanks also to Adam Burry for
pointing this out. As Tamreen Khan noted it's a little confusing that there's
a prompt in the upper pane while input can only
There's allot here I really like. This could end up being the IDE
for clojure newbies. I agree though, lein integration would be
awesome. One of my biggest complaints against larger IDE's is trying
to get them to look at the lein classpaths. Getting the same result in
my repl as I get by doing
Another kick-ass feature would be first-class integration with
Leiningen (and likewise, with Cake) - you can discover the list of
commands using the lein command without any args. Once you discover
the command names you can display it in a menu. When a user clicks one
of those menu items,
One of my biggest complaints against larger IDE's is trying
to get them to look at the lein classpaths. Getting the same result in
my repl as I get by doing lein run would be awesome.
That's more or less what I've been attempting to do, but I need to
check carefully that I have covered the
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Arthur Edelstein
arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote:
--- more work needed
clooj is a work in progress. Your suggestions, criticisms and code
contributions are appreciated.
Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a
project, but it seems to me
Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a
project, but it seems to me that I am using a file dialog box for a
directory selection. As it wasn't entirely clear what it expected me
to do at that point, I just typed in some name without knowing for
sure if it was supposed to
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Arthur Edelstein
arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a
project, but it seems to me that I am using a file dialog box for a
directory selection. As it wasn't entirely clear what it expected me
to do at
Yes, it does say that now that I'm checking again, I must have missed
it the first time around. I just confused it with a regular file
dialog box. My feeling about a different style dialog box stands,
Thanks for pointing it out; I'll try to fix that.
I'm much, much more
interested in a the
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Arthur Edelstein
arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote:
Tallied. :) What's your favorite keyboard shortcut for invoking smart
indent? Is it TAB? I imagine it's still important to be able to indent
and de-indent manually, but maybe I'm wrong.
I use TAB. Just about the
I use TAB. Just about the only file type I edit for which it doesn't
do this are Makefiles. C/C++, Clojure/Lisp, O'Caml source files, etc,
I use TAB in Emacs and expect it do make the current line indented
appropriately, whether I'm at the beginning, end or in the middle of
the line. I can't
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but I'm not getting
error-output in the REPL. If I type
(println foo)
then do CTRL+E
I see the REPL spit out the lines I entered, then nothing...
Some sort of error feedback would be nice.
Timothy
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You may also consider building a plugin architecture for Clooj. For
example, Leiningen support can be built by writing a plugin.
That's an interesting idea. How do you envision a plugin architecture
should work?
From the top of my head it looks like it should be possible to safely
maintain
All indentation uses spaces. I guess my fear is that users will find
it annoying if the TAB key is devoted to smart indentation and space
and delete are the only tools for adjusting the indentation manually.
But maybe manual indentation is a rare enough that it is better to use
TAB for smart
So, just to expand the scope - what kind of plugins should be
possible:
1. Source control plugins - Git, Mercurial, Subversion...
2. Theme/Look-n-feel plugins
3. Syntax highlight plugin - Clojure, Markdown, Textile, XML,
Leiningen project.clj, Rakefile, Ruby
4. Tool plugins -- Leiningen,
Hi Timothy,
Thanks for your message.
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but I'm not getting
error-output in the REPL. If I type
(println foo)
then do CTRL+E
I see the REPL spit out the lines I entered, then nothing...
I don't know why are aren't getting an error message. When I
Hi Shantanu,
Just wanted to highlight that both Emacs Clojure-mode and Eclipse/
CounterClockWise use TAB to auto-indent the current line correctly.
So, I guess the expectation would be likewise for the respective
proportion of Clojure users. Though of course the key bindings should
be
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Arthur,
I can't thank you enough. Two great news in a week, that's awesome. I
am eagerly awaiting Wednesday.
But please, please, please DON'T ABANDON THIS PROJECT.
CLJ Hackers,
Please lend a hand. You have no excuse; it is written in Clojure. This
is what Clojure needs the most!
People
Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the
default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until
one opts in again using TAB or something?
On 18 Jul., 22:20, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote:
All indentation uses spaces. I guess my fear is
I can't thank you enough for this Arthur. But please please don't abandon
this project. Clojure hackers have no excuse to lend you a hand since it is
written in Clojure.
A newbie IDE is what Clojure needs most. Scheme was used as a first language
so why shouldn't people be able to start with
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp abp...@googlemail.com wrote:
Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the
default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until
one opts in again using TAB or something?
This is an interesting thought. On the other
Thanks to everyone who downloaded clooj, and thanks especially to
those of you who kindly provided feedback! I'm really grateful for
your help.
Since today's release I've made some bug fixes and improvements to
tighten up the handling of projects and files, to address some of the
issues people
This is a very helpful discussion -- I'm going to think about tabs on
the hammock.
On Jul 18, 8:06 pm, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp abp...@googlemail.com wrote:
Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the
default for a
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Arthur Edelstein
arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a very helpful discussion -- I'm going to think about tabs on
the hammock.
Thanks.
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But please, please, please DON'T ABANDON THIS PROJECT.
I'll do my best to hang on. :)
Thinking~~:
- Maybe we need CLOOJ or something similar for .NET as well. David
Miller's work should be rewarded with a CLOOJ of it's own.
- A webstart version.
- I hope that we don't start to see hundreds
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