Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-07 Thread Jon Harrop
On Saturday 07 February 2009 09:50:29 Konrad Hinsen wrote: > On 07.02.2009, at 01:19, mikel wrote: > > Can you imagine a > > Clojure on top of, say the CLR? Or on top of a Common Lisp? Or on GHC > > or perhaps the LLVM? > > There is a JVM on top of the LLVM already, search for vmkit for the > deta

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-07 Thread Konrad Hinsen
On 07.02.2009, at 01:19, mikel wrote: > What happens to Clojure if something bad happens to the JVM? > > It's not that I think the JVM is going away any time soon. Sure, Sun > looks kind of shaky right now, but there are alternative sources of > JVMs. Probably the JVM can survive even if Sun does

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-07 Thread Jon Harrop
On Saturday 07 February 2009 00:19:44 mikel wrote: > Can you imagine a Clojure implementation on a different underlying > runtime? Which ones might possibly be suitable? Can you imagine a > Clojure on top of, say the CLR? Or on top of a Common Lisp? Or on GHC > or perhaps the LLVM? IMHO the world

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread Mark H.
On Feb 6, 4:19 pm, mikel wrote: > Can you imagine a Clojure implementation on a different underlying > runtime? Which ones might possibly be suitable? Can you imagine a > Clojure on top of, say the CLR? Or on top of a Common Lisp? Or on GHC > or perhaps the LLVM? There's Clojure as a language an

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread David Nolen
Well considering that the JVM is now open source as well as Clojure itself I wouldn't worry too much :) That said all languages are simply stepping stones, Clojure happens to be a particular elegant one that you might want to pause on for a considerable amount of time, take a deep breath, and enjoy

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread Rayne
We'd just have to write our own JVM of course. ;) On Feb 6, 6:19 pm, mikel wrote: > What happens to Clojure if something bad happens to the JVM? > > It's not that I think the JVM is going away any time soon. Sure, Sun > looks kind of shaky right now, but there are alternative sources of > JVMs.

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread Stephen C. Gilardi
On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:19 PM, mikel wrote: Can you imagine a Clojure implementation on a different underlying runtime? Which ones might possibly be suitable? Can you imagine a Clojure on top of, say the CLR? Or on top of a Common Lisp? Or on GHC or perhaps the LLVM? Merely imagining these altern

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread mikel
On Feb 6, 6:24 pm, e wrote: > What;s Ralph all about?  You've certainly peaked *my* interest.  Maybe we > should get that running on top of a JVM so it doesn't go extinct again. Ralph is what Dylan was called before Apple publicly announced it. It was essentially Scheme + CLOS + some functiona

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread e
I am. but that was also an attempt to (possibly) answer a question with a question. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Raoul Duke wrote: > > hi, > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:24 PM, e wrote: > > What;s Ralph all about? You've certainly peaked my interest. > > google it up, that's what i immediate

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread Raoul Duke
hi, On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:24 PM, e wrote: > What;s Ralph all about? You've certainly peaked my interest. google it up, that's what i immediately started doing of course :-) http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:R3Jw4HMdGIwJ:coding.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Lisp/comp.lang.lisp/2005-09/msg003

Re: Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread e
What;s Ralph all about? You've certainly peaked *my* interest. Maybe we should get that running on top of a JVM so it doesn't go extinct again. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM, mikel wrote: > > What happens to Clojure if something bad happens to the JVM? > > It's not that I think the JVM is goi

Strapped to the JVM?

2009-02-06 Thread mikel
What happens to Clojure if something bad happens to the JVM? It's not that I think the JVM is going away any time soon. Sure, Sun looks kind of shaky right now, but there are alternative sources of JVMs. Probably the JVM can survive even if Sun doesn't. Probably. But I had a favorite programmin