Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Hi, I'm just back after some vacations without Internet connections. Please give me a couple more days to emerge from the tons of emails and workload, and I'll gladly help you in any possible ways. Cheers, -- Laurent 2011/7/18 Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com On Jul 18, 2:31 am, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote: This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's Paredit? https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj Thanks, that's a very interesting idea. Perhaps, if Laurent doesn't mind! :) Any roadmap for features? Syntax highlight, autocomplete etc? I'm adding Issues to the github project now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Ken Wesson wrote: Or, the traditional thing: full control, but tab or something will reindent the current line, or all lines intersecting the selection if any, to structurally-correct positions based on all of the code above, if tab is hit outside a string literal or ; comment. I personally think that this provides the best combination of clarity, simplicity, and utility. My guess is that smarter solutions will indeed get messy/annoying in some of the situations that Ken mentioned (e.g. pasting multiple lines, possibly from another app), and very occasionally I have reason to use non-standart indentation for some small segment of code. I do think that it's also good for the system to indent correctly when the user types a newline, which clooj already does. -Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
- I wish that Swing was prettier on the eye. I love nice GUIs. Me too. I think in the long run the coolest thing will be an in- browser clojure IDE for clojure-in-javascript, especially when multi- threaded javascript becomes available in web browsers. Maybe you should drop Swing and start experimenting with a cloud9-like IDE instead. Again, for Clojure to have wider adoption it should have a beginners' IDE. It shouldn't be distributed just as jar files. That's fine for hackers but clojure.org should have an IDE like CLOOJ and Clojure should be packaged part of it (A Download button on the page should download it directly; programmers should visit the Download page). Such an IDE would be ideal for a college teacher to introduce Clojure to his students. This IDE should not assume that these students have hacked on computers all their life. - They should be able to create, edit, and build their entire project from within the IDE and shouldn't have to switch to a terminal. - The IDE should make the choice and not leave it to him. This IDE has to choose one build system and not ask the user to choose. All choices should be made. - I don't believe that the parenthesis are the barrier for people to try a lisp language. I bet that most people who repeat this never actually heard it from a newbie; they just read it once and started repeating it. Unlike Clojure, and Lisp generally, there is no syntax. While half of a book about other languages discusses syntax issues, a Clojure book covers syntax in the early chapters and the rest of the book is about concepts and advanced issues. That's why lisp syntax is very small and pithy. More than any other language, I think a new user needs to practice a lot writing very small code pieces of code to get used to it. None of the Clojure books includes exercises. Maybe its time someone write a Learning Clojure the Hard Way book. The first lesson in The Hard Way book is to install a simple IDE like CLOOJ (or CLIDE - clojure.org's fork: of it). Many people believe that Clojure is not suitable as a first language. Irrespective whether this is right or wrong, I find it odd that a language like Clojure (and Scala) asks you to go learn another language before you learn it. It is even more odd with Clojure because you need to learn one of the broken languages first. Every general programming language should be a first language. Regards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Clojure Neophyte wrote: Again, for Clojure to have wider adoption it should have a beginners' IDE. It shouldn't be distributed just as jar files. FWIW I just double-clicked on the clooj jar and it launched like any other application -- I didn't have to know that it was a jar or even what a jar is. Assuming that this also works on other OSes (I'm using Mac OS X) then I think this is already beginner friendly. I *think* it also includes everything that a newbie needs for a complete workflow without any other tools or Terminal interactions... -Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
nice name ! thanks again for new ide -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On 18 Lug, 18:40, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tamreen, On Jul 18, 5:38 am, Tamreen Khan histor...@gmail.com wrote: It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt, user=, be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt and the results be shown in the same area? That is a good point. I wanted a multi-line editor for the REPL input, so I put the REPL input and output in separate panes. But I agree it would be nice to have the prompt in the REPL input pane. I'm adding this suggestion to the issues. Thanks for the feedback! FWIW, I solved a similar problem in the past with a GUI REPL for another JVM-based Lisp (ABCL). Unfortunately Swing makes such a thing harder than it should be, at least if you stick to the right way of properly using the Document interface upon which JTextArea is based. Perhaps you can leverage some of that work. That REPL is very minimal and I took some shortcuts, but it could be a nice starting point, especially wrt. the nasty concurrency issues imposed by how Document works. It was tested on all the three major OSes. If you're interested, you can find it here: http://trac.common-lisp.net/armedbear/browser/trunk/abcl/src/org/armedbear/lisp/java/swing/REPLConsole.java hth, Alessio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Cool project, especially if it manages to *stay* lightweight :) It is indeed difficult to build a console with Swing's text components. Actually, I think it's difficult with the out-of-the-box text components in just about any toolkit. They're not designed for it and there are a ton of edge cases and gotchas to take care of. Anyway, a couple other random thoughts: * You might want to take a look at JSyntaxPane (https://code.google.com/p/jsyntaxpane/) for the editor. In theory adding Clojure syntax highlighting should be straightforward and they already cover stuff like line numbers, etc. * Consider using actions for your menu items so you can reuse them in toolbars and elsewhere in the UI * getCaretPosition (and almost all Swing methods) is not thread-safe so calling it from an agent is asking for trouble :) Good luck! Dave On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Alessio Stalla alessiosta...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 Lug, 18:40, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tamreen, On Jul 18, 5:38 am, Tamreen Khan histor...@gmail.com wrote: It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt, user=, be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt and the results be shown in the same area? That is a good point. I wanted a multi-line editor for the REPL input, so I put the REPL input and output in separate panes. But I agree it would be nice to have the prompt in the REPL input pane. I'm adding this suggestion to the issues. Thanks for the feedback! FWIW, I solved a similar problem in the past with a GUI REPL for another JVM-based Lisp (ABCL). Unfortunately Swing makes such a thing harder than it should be, at least if you stick to the right way of properly using the Document interface upon which JTextArea is based. Perhaps you can leverage some of that work. That REPL is very minimal and I took some shortcuts, but it could be a nice starting point, especially wrt. the nasty concurrency issues imposed by how Document works. It was tested on all the three major OSes. If you're interested, you can find it here: http://trac.common-lisp.net/armedbear/browser/trunk/abcl/src/org/armedbear/lisp/java/swing/REPLConsole.java hth, Alessio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
FWIW I just double-clicked on the clooj jar and it launched like any other application -- I didn't have to know that it was a jar or even what a jar is. Assuming that this also works on other OSes (I'm using Mac OS X) then I think this is already beginner friendly. I *think* it also includes everything that a newbie needs for a complete workflow without any other tools or Terminal interactions... Perhaps the main thing that's missing (besides various code-editing features) is an option for compiling and building the project. I'm thinking about bundling in leiningen for that. But if anyone has a better idea, do let me know. :) - Arthur -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Hi Dave, Cool project, especially if it manages to *stay* lightweight :) Thanks -- I hope it will! :) * You might want to take a look at JSyntaxPane (https://code.google.com/p/jsyntaxpane/) for the editor. In theory adding Clojure syntax highlighting should be straightforward and they already cover stuff like line numbers, etc. An interesting suggestion. * Consider using actions for your menu items so you can reuse them in toolbars and elsewhere in the UI Yes, I probably need to overhaul this at some point. * getCaretPosition (and almost all Swing methods) is not thread-safe so calling it from an agent is asking for trouble :) Oops! It's interesting I haven't run into an error yet. Added to github issues. Good luck! Thanks! :) Arthur -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp abp...@googlemail.com wrote: Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until one opts in again using TAB or something? If I add an expression around existing code, I tend to use TAB if small regions are used to reindent the affected line(s) that are suddenly contained within a new expression and as a result should be reindented as if I had originally typed the entire expression. If for some reason larger blocks of code are affected, I would likely use the region/file reindent functionality in Emacs. In other words, I usually use TAB for lines that were written earlier, to align it better with new code, not to affect indentation of the line I'm currently typing. Lars Nilsson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Hi Everyone, I want to let you know about clooj, a small, simple IDE for clojure that I have been developing (in clojure). It's packaged as a single jar file (including clojure 1.2), here: https://github.com/downloads/arthuredelstein/clooj/clooj-0.1.0-standalone.jar Just download it and double-click. (I use clooj to develop clojure code every day at work.) You can look at the source code here: https://github.com/arthuredelstein/clooj clooj runs as a standalone application or you can embed it in other JVM programs. (See the README, below). This is an alpha release and I plan to continue further development. Feedback of all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :) Arthur Edelstein San Francisco -- clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure --- the application clooj is a small, simple IDE (integrated development environment) for the clojure programming language. clooj is written entirely in clojure and uses a swing-based GUI. It is cross-platform (assuming Java 1.6 has been installed on your operating system), and runs as a standalone application or as a clojure editor embedded in another java or clojure application. The standalone version (containing the clojure core) is a single jar file that can be launched by double-clicking its file icon or by running java -jar clooj-XXX-STANDALONE.jar from the command line. To embed in java, call clooj.core.show(). --- the layout The clooj window contains three columns. The left-most column is a tree showing clojure projects and the source files they contain. The middle column is the source file editor. The right column displays inputs and outputs of clojure REPLs (read-evaluate-print loops). --- the source editor The source code editor offers a few simple things to make writing clojure code easier: * A non-traditional bracket-matching feature highlights in gray those brackets that contain the innermost form you are currently editing. * Mismatched or unmatched brackets are highlighted in pink. * TAB indents, and shift+TAB unindents. * Automatically comment-out (and un-comment-out) multiple lines. * When newlines are entered, the next line is automatically indented. * Press ctrl-ENTER to send either the nearest root form or the selected text to the REPL. * Source files are continuously saved in the background to prevent accidental loss of your work in the event of a crash. --- clojure projects Each clojure project corresponds to a project directory somewhere in the file system, containing a src directory. Inside the src directory is the source code hierarchy, composed of directories and .clj files. Note this directory structure is completely compatible with the lein and cake clojure build programs and you are encouraged to use one of these from the command line in conjunction with the clooj editor. Clicking different source files in the projects tree will automatically change the source file currently being edited, as well as switch the REPL to the appropriate namespace. --- read-evaluate-print loops The upper part of clooj's REPL display column shows the REPL history (inputs and outputs) and the lower part is a text area for inputting forms into REPL. Each project gets its own REPL environment: when a project is first selected, a new clojure REPL is created behind the scenes and becomes the REPL in use. By choosing Restart REPL you cause a new REPL to be created for the currently selected project and the old one to be discarded, if possible. If the project directory contains directories named lib and/or jars and there are any jar files inside, these jars will be included in the classpath whenever the project REPL is launched. You can subsequently add further jar files to the classpath by placing them in the lib or jars directory and restarting the REPL. --- more work needed clooj is a work in progress. Your suggestions, criticisms and code contributions are appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
This is a first for me, a Clojure IDE that just works. Big thumbs up! Ambrose -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Aw: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Arthur hi, that's cool! Just works out of the box! I will recommend it to everyone that wants to try clojure. - Finn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Yep, this is great! How about syntax highlighting? On Jul 18, 10:03 am, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I want to let you know about clooj, a small, simple IDE for clojure that I have been developing (in clojure). It's packaged as a single jar file (including clojure 1.2), here:https://github.com/downloads/arthuredelstein/clooj/clooj-0.1.0-standa... Just download it and double-click. (I use clooj to develop clojure code every day at work.) You can look at the source code here:https://github.com/arthuredelstein/clooj clooj runs as a standalone application or you can embed it in other JVM programs. (See the README, below). This is an alpha release and I plan to continue further development. Feedback of all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :) Arthur Edelstein San Francisco -- clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure --- the application clooj is a small, simple IDE (integrated development environment) for the clojure programming language. clooj is written entirely in clojure and uses a swing-based GUI. It is cross-platform (assuming Java 1.6 has been installed on your operating system), and runs as a standalone application or as a clojure editor embedded in another java or clojure application. The standalone version (containing the clojure core) is a single jar file that can be launched by double-clicking its file icon or by running java -jar clooj-XXX-STANDALONE.jar from the command line. To embed in java, call clooj.core.show(). --- the layout The clooj window contains three columns. The left-most column is a tree showing clojure projects and the source files they contain. The middle column is the source file editor. The right column displays inputs and outputs of clojure REPLs (read-evaluate-print loops). --- the source editor The source code editor offers a few simple things to make writing clojure code easier: * A non-traditional bracket-matching feature highlights in gray those brackets that contain the innermost form you are currently editing. * Mismatched or unmatched brackets are highlighted in pink. * TAB indents, and shift+TAB unindents. * Automatically comment-out (and un-comment-out) multiple lines. * When newlines are entered, the next line is automatically indented. * Press ctrl-ENTER to send either the nearest root form or the selected text to the REPL. * Source files are continuously saved in the background to prevent accidental loss of your work in the event of a crash. --- clojure projects Each clojure project corresponds to a project directory somewhere in the file system, containing a src directory. Inside the src directory is the source code hierarchy, composed of directories and .clj files. Note this directory structure is completely compatible with the lein and cake clojure build programs and you are encouraged to use one of these from the command line in conjunction with the clooj editor. Clicking different source files in the projects tree will automatically change the source file currently being edited, as well as switch the REPL to the appropriate namespace. --- read-evaluate-print loops The upper part of clooj's REPL display column shows the REPL history (inputs and outputs) and the lower part is a text area for inputting forms into REPL. Each project gets its own REPL environment: when a project is first selected, a new clojure REPL is created behind the scenes and becomes the REPL in use. By choosing Restart REPL you cause a new REPL to be created for the currently selected project and the old one to be discarded, if possible. If the project directory contains directories named lib and/or jars and there are any jar files inside, these jars will be included in the classpath whenever the project REPL is launched. You can subsequently add further jar files to the classpath by placing them in the lib or jars directory and restarting the REPL. --- more work needed clooj is a work in progress. Your suggestions, criticisms and code contributions are appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's Paredit? https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj Any roadmap for features? Syntax highlight, autocomplete etc? Regards, Shantanu On Jul 18, 12:03 pm, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I want to let you know about clooj, a small, simple IDE for clojure that I have been developing (in clojure). It's packaged as a single jar file (including clojure 1.2), here:https://github.com/downloads/arthuredelstein/clooj/clooj-0.1.0-standa... Just download it and double-click. (I use clooj to develop clojure code every day at work.) You can look at the source code here:https://github.com/arthuredelstein/clooj clooj runs as a standalone application or you can embed it in other JVM programs. (See the README, below). This is an alpha release and I plan to continue further development. Feedback of all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :) Arthur Edelstein San Francisco -- clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure --- the application clooj is a small, simple IDE (integrated development environment) for the clojure programming language. clooj is written entirely in clojure and uses a swing-based GUI. It is cross-platform (assuming Java 1.6 has been installed on your operating system), and runs as a standalone application or as a clojure editor embedded in another java or clojure application. The standalone version (containing the clojure core) is a single jar file that can be launched by double-clicking its file icon or by running java -jar clooj-XXX-STANDALONE.jar from the command line. To embed in java, call clooj.core.show(). --- the layout The clooj window contains three columns. The left-most column is a tree showing clojure projects and the source files they contain. The middle column is the source file editor. The right column displays inputs and outputs of clojure REPLs (read-evaluate-print loops). --- the source editor The source code editor offers a few simple things to make writing clojure code easier: * A non-traditional bracket-matching feature highlights in gray those brackets that contain the innermost form you are currently editing. * Mismatched or unmatched brackets are highlighted in pink. * TAB indents, and shift+TAB unindents. * Automatically comment-out (and un-comment-out) multiple lines. * When newlines are entered, the next line is automatically indented. * Press ctrl-ENTER to send either the nearest root form or the selected text to the REPL. * Source files are continuously saved in the background to prevent accidental loss of your work in the event of a crash. --- clojure projects Each clojure project corresponds to a project directory somewhere in the file system, containing a src directory. Inside the src directory is the source code hierarchy, composed of directories and .clj files. Note this directory structure is completely compatible with the lein and cake clojure build programs and you are encouraged to use one of these from the command line in conjunction with the clooj editor. Clicking different source files in the projects tree will automatically change the source file currently being edited, as well as switch the REPL to the appropriate namespace. --- read-evaluate-print loops The upper part of clooj's REPL display column shows the REPL history (inputs and outputs) and the lower part is a text area for inputting forms into REPL. Each project gets its own REPL environment: when a project is first selected, a new clojure REPL is created behind the scenes and becomes the REPL in use. By choosing Restart REPL you cause a new REPL to be created for the currently selected project and the old one to be discarded, if possible. If the project directory contains directories named lib and/or jars and there are any jar files inside, these jars will be included in the classpath whenever the project REPL is launched. You can subsequently add further jar files to the classpath by placing them in the lib or jars directory and restarting the REPL. --- more work needed clooj is a work in progress. Your suggestions, criticisms and code contributions are appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
I am *very* excited to see this project, which I think could be a great addition to the Clojure world, particularly for newcomers and those of us who teach them. First critical reactions: - I put a high premium on auto-indendentation, and clooj seems to get this right when hitting return after typing some code (or in the middle of code) -- this is great and missing in some other Clojure editing environments. A big plus. But if one screws up the indentation I don't see how to say indent this properly again, in the context of what comes above it. Tab moves it to the right, shift-tab moves it to the left, but is there a way to say move it to the correct place? Actually, yes: one can do this by deleting the previous newline and hitting return again, but that's awkward, particularly if you want to go through a block of code and see if the structure is what you thought it was... you'd have to delete and re-enter each newline. - I just created a new project and I get a user prompt in the REPL pane but I can't type anything into that... so I can't actually try it... I click in there but I don't get a cursor there, and typing does nothing. In case it matters I'm running Mac OS 10.6.8 and java -version says: java version 1.6.0_26 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_26-b03-384-10M3425) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.1-b02-384, mixed mode) - How is one supposed to create a new .clj file and add it to the project? I see that you say that some stuff is to be done with lein or cake at the command line... and I guess some stuff like creating new files could be done with other OS-specific tools, and all of this is fine with me, but it's not clear to me what should be done how. I'm not suggesting that any more needs to be done within clooj itself -- just that it should be more clear what should be done where. I think that a hello world example that walks one through the process of creating a new project, adding a new, empty src file, adding code to that file, and running the code, would clear this up. Maybe also a second simple example that also adds one library... or something like that. - It would be nice if all of the basic editor functionality was discoverable via menu items. For example the indentation commands are mentioned in the instructions in the posting to the list, but since they're not in the menus a user may not realize they're there. (These in particular could be under the Source menu, but as a general rule it would be nice if all major features are *somewhere* in the interface.) - Longer term I agree with Shantanu that things like syntax highlighting and autocompletion would be great, and actually I'd put my all-time favorite feature even before those: arglist-on-space. I'm a total arglist-on-space fanatic and evangelist -- I think it's the greatest idea ever for supporting/speeding code editing and that it should be in every Lisp editor. AFAIK it is currently available for Clojure only in emacs and MCLIDE. If I were going to add one editor feature beyond robust auto-indenting it would be arglist-on-space. Again, I love this project! I hope that the comments above are taken as constructive criticism. -Lee On Jul 18, 2011, at 3:03 AM, Arthur Edelstein wrote: Hi Everyone, I want to let you know about clooj, a small, simple IDE for clojure that I have been developing (in clojure). It's packaged as a single jar file (including clojure 1.2), here: https://github.com/downloads/arthuredelstein/clooj/clooj-0.1.0-standalone.jar Just download it and double-click. (I use clooj to develop clojure code every day at work.) You can look at the source code here: https://github.com/arthuredelstein/clooj clooj runs as a standalone application or you can embed it in other JVM programs. (See the README, below). This is an alpha release and I plan to continue further development. Feedback of all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :) Arthur Edelstein San Francisco -- clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure --- the application clooj is a small, simple IDE (integrated development environment) for the clojure programming language. clooj is written entirely in clojure and uses a swing-based GUI. It is cross-platform (assuming Java 1.6 has been installed on your operating system), and runs as a standalone application or as a clojure editor embedded in another java or clojure application. The standalone version (containing the clojure core) is a single jar file that can be launched by double-clicking its file icon or by running java -jar clooj-XXX-STANDALONE.jar from the command line. To embed in java, call clooj.core.show(). --- the layout The clooj window contains three columns. The left-most column is a tree showing clojure projects and the source files they contain. The middle column is the source file editor. The right column displays inputs and outputs of clojure REPLs (read-evaluate-print
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
- I just created a new project and I get a user prompt in the REPL pane but I can't type anything into that... so I can't actually try it... I click in there but I don't get a cursor there, and typing does nothing. In case it matters I'm running Mac OS 10.6.8 and java -version says: Re-read the OP. The right hand column has two parts: the top part shows REPL evaluation, the bottom part is your REPL input window. Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt, user=, be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt and the results be shown in the same area? On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Adam Burry abu...@gmail.com wrote: - I just created a new project and I get a user prompt in the REPL pane but I can't type anything into that... so I can't actually try it... I click in there but I don't get a cursor there, and typing does nothing. In case it matters I'm running Mac OS 10.6.8 and java -version says: Re-read the OP. The right hand column has two parts: the top part shows REPL evaluation, the bottom part is your REPL input window. Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
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Yep, this is great! How about syntax highlighting? Thanks, good suggestion! I'm not a huge fan of most syntax highlighting -- what do you think would be helpful but unobtrusive? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
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On Jul 18, 2:31 am, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote: This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's Paredit?https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj Thanks, that's a very interesting idea. Perhaps, if Laurent doesn't mind! :) Any roadmap for features? Syntax highlight, autocomplete etc? I'm adding Issues to the github project now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
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Hi Florian, but somehow i can't save ... It always says Oops Unable to save file Sorry, you need to choose File New first, or open a project with existing source files. I will try to fix this issue soon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Hi Lee, Tab moves it to the right, shift-tab moves it to the left, but is there a way to say move it to the correct place A very good point -- added to the clooj github issues. - I just created a new project and I get a user prompt in the REPL pane but I can't type anything into that... so I can't actually try it... I click in there but I don't get a cursor there, and typing does nothing. In case it matters I'm running Mac OS 10.6.8 and java -version says: The REPL input is the lower right pane. I think I should add some labels on each pane. - How is one supposed to create a new .clj file and add it to the project? Use the File New menu. I think that a hello world example that walks one through the process of creating a new project, adding a new, empty src file, adding code to that file, and running the code, would clear this up. Maybe also a second simple example that also adds one library... or something like that. That's a good suggestion. Overall I'd like to make the user interface more self-explanatory -- any ideas on how to do this would be very helpful. - It would be nice if all of the basic editor functionality was discoverable via menu items. For example the indentation commands are mentioned in the instructions in the posting to the list, but since they're not in the menus a user may not realize they're there. (These in particular could be under the Source menu, but as a general rule it would be nice if all major features are *somewhere* in the interface.) A good point. Added to the github issues. - Longer term I agree with Shantanu that things like syntax highlighting and autocompletion would be great, and actually I'd put my all-time favorite feature even before those: arglist-on-space. I'm a total arglist-on-space fanatic and evangelist -- I think it's the greatest idea ever for supporting/speeding code editing and that it should be in every Lisp editor. AFAIK it is currently available for Clojure only in emacs and MCLIDE. If I were going to add one editor feature beyond robust auto-indenting it would be arglist-on-space. Another excellent suggestion (added to issues). I think you're right -- arglist-on-space is very cool. Where do you think the arglist should appear? I think there's a tension between wanting to display it near where the user is typing and the need to not obscure nearby code. Again, I love this project! I hope that the comments above are taken as constructive criticism. Absolutely! Thank you very much for taking the time to give me so much helpful feedback. Best regards, Arthur -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Jul 18, 7:24 pm, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 18, 2:31 am, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote: This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's Paredit?https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj Thanks, that's a very interesting idea. Perhaps, if Laurent doesn't mind! :) Laurent has already suggested someone in the past to use Paredit, so I don't think he would mind. :-) Another kick-ass feature would be first-class integration with Leiningen (and likewise, with Cake) - you can discover the list of commands using the lein command without any args. Once you discover the command names you can display it in a menu. When a user clicks one of those menu items, pop a textbox for other arguments and execute the entire command on pressing Enter. You may also consider building a plugin architecture for Clooj. For example, Leiningen support can be built by writing a plugin. Regards, Shantanu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Arthur Edelstein wrote: The REPL input is the lower right pane. I think I should add some labels on each pane. Ah yes -- now I see it and that works fine. Thanks also to Adam Burry for pointing this out. As Tamreen Khan noted it's a little confusing that there's a prompt in the upper pane while input can only be given in the lower pane... I agree with Tamreen that the ideal thing would be for both to be in the same pane, so it's a normal REPL that takes input and also gives output, but if that's very difficult for some reason then I agree that pane labels would help. - How is one supposed to create a new .clj file and add it to the project? Use the File New menu. For some reason I was missing this and only seeing the menu item for a new project... but now I think this was just me, and that I jumped too quickly to the conclusion that new files were to be created outside of clooj. Now I see it and it works very nicely. I do think that a hello world walkthrough doc would prevent others from missing this and generally help to orient newcomers to the environment. Another excellent suggestion (added to issues). I think you're right -- arglist-on-space is very cool. Where do you think the arglist should appear? I think there's a tension between wanting to display it near where the user is typing and the need to not obscure nearby code. In emacs and MCLIDE (and as far as I recall in other environments that I've used, mostly for Common Lisp) it appears in a mini buffer below the editing pane. I think that's a good solution, but anywhere else within view but out of the way would suffice. I wouldn't want to put this within the edit buffer itself, since it might then get in the way and there'd be a much higher premium on getting the information and the way that it's displayed exactly right. Part of the beauty of arglist-on-space is that it's often extremely helpful -- and I tend to rely on it rather than my memory if it's available -- but there are no bad consequences if it's not exactly perfect (e.g. because of complex argument lists or special cases that make it hard to display the right info). -Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Jul 18, 3:16 am, Florian Over florian.o...@googlemail.com wrote: Hmm, good idea but somehow i can't save ... It always says Oops Unable to save file When i'm at home i will give it another try. Hi Florian, There are two requirements: 1. You need to have a project open, in a writable directory. 2. You need to create a .clj file in your project, by choosing File New. Sorry this isn't obvious -- I now realize this weirdness is the first issue I need to fix. Thanks for the feedback! Best regards, Arthur -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Hi Tamreen, On Jul 18, 5:38 am, Tamreen Khan histor...@gmail.com wrote: It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt, user=, be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt and the results be shown in the same area? That is a good point. I wanted a multi-line editor for the REPL input, so I put the REPL input and output in separate panes. But I agree it would be nice to have the prompt in the REPL input pane. I'm adding this suggestion to the issues. Thanks for the feedback! Best regards, Arthur -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
The REPL input is the lower right pane. I think I should add some labels on each pane. Ah yes -- now I see it and that works fine. Thanks also to Adam Burry for pointing this out. As Tamreen Khan noted it's a little confusing that there's a prompt in the upper pane while input can only be given in the lower pane... I agree with Tamreen that the ideal thing would be for both to be in the same pane, so it's a normal REPL that takes input and also gives output, but if that's very difficult for some reason then I agree that pane labels would help. I see what you're saying. I made the REPL input and output separate to make an easy multiline editor for the input. But I do agree it would be nice to show the prompt in the REPL input. If I combine the panes, I'm concerned that it will be tricky for users to see where the cursor can go. For some reason I was missing this and only seeing the menu item for a new project... but now I think this was just me, and that I jumped too quickly to the conclusion that new files were to be created outside of clooj. Now I see it and it works very nicely. I do think that a hello world walkthrough doc would prevent others from missing this and generally help to orient newcomers to the environment. My next task is to make this requirement more obvious -- it's a very awkward behavior right now. In emacs and MCLIDE (and as far as I recall in other environments that I've used, mostly for Common Lisp) it appears in a mini buffer below the editing pane. I think that's a good solution, but anywhere else within view but out of the way would suffice. I wouldn't want to put this within the edit buffer itself, since it might then get in the way and there'd be a much higher premium on getting the information and the way that it's displayed exactly right. Part of the beauty of arglist-on-space is that it's often extremely helpful -- and I tend to rely on it rather than my memory if it's available -- but there are no bad consequences if it's not exactly perfect (e.g. because of complex argument lists or special cases that make it hard to display the right info). I think I can grab the arglist just the way the built-in doc macro does, so it should be relatively straightforward. Thanks again for the awesome suggestion! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
There's allot here I really like. This could end up being the IDE for clojure newbies. I agree though, lein integration would be awesome. One of my biggest complaints against larger IDE's is trying to get them to look at the lein classpaths. Getting the same result in my repl as I get by doing lein run would be awesome. Great job! Timothy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Another kick-ass feature would be first-class integration with Leiningen (and likewise, with Cake) - you can discover the list of commands using the lein command without any args. Once you discover the command names you can display it in a menu. When a user clicks one of those menu items, pop a textbox for other arguments and execute the entire command on pressing Enter. That's definitely something I would like. I've added it to the issues. You may also consider building a plugin architecture for Clooj. For example, Leiningen support can be built by writing a plugin. That's an interesting idea. How do you envision a plugin architecture should work? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
One of my biggest complaints against larger IDE's is trying to get them to look at the lein classpaths. Getting the same result in my repl as I get by doing lein run would be awesome. That's more or less what I've been attempting to do, but I need to check carefully that I have covered the lein/cake classpath completely. Added to github issues. Great job! Thanks! :) And thank you for the feedback! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: --- more work needed clooj is a work in progress. Your suggestions, criticisms and code contributions are appreciated. Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a project, but it seems to me that I am using a file dialog box for a directory selection. As it wasn't entirely clear what it expected me to do at that point, I just typed in some name without knowing for sure if it was supposed to be a file name or a directory, and found out afterward that it was in fact a name that represented a directory. It will probably take quite a bit for me to give up Emacs, but I find it a very interesting project, and like several others have said, it worked right out of the box, which is a huge plus. Regards, Lars Nilsson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a project, but it seems to me that I am using a file dialog box for a directory selection. As it wasn't entirely clear what it expected me to do at that point, I just typed in some name without knowing for sure if it was supposed to be a file name or a directory, and found out afterward that it was in fact a name that represented a directory. The file dialog for creating a new project is supposed to have the title Create a project directory. Is this visible on your OS when you choose Project New...? (If not, what OS are you using?) Thanks for the feedback, Lars! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a project, but it seems to me that I am using a file dialog box for a directory selection. As it wasn't entirely clear what it expected me to do at that point, I just typed in some name without knowing for sure if it was supposed to be a file name or a directory, and found out afterward that it was in fact a name that represented a directory. The file dialog for creating a new project is supposed to have the title Create a project directory. Is this visible on your OS when you choose Project New...? (If not, what OS are you using?) Thanks for the feedback, Lars! Yes, it does say that now that I'm checking again, I must have missed it the first time around. I just confused it with a regular file dialog box. My feeling about a different style dialog box stands, I think, but it's really a very minor issue, and I'm much, much more interested in a the automatic indent (first brought up by Lee in this thread) that I couldn't live without in Emacs (for any programming langauge..) Being able to hit tab wherever I happen to be in a line and have it do the right thing rather than simply inserting a tab at the cursor location is invaluable, along with reindenting a region or a whole file. So +1 from me for that feature, if there's a tally going on for the requests. ;) Lars -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Yes, it does say that now that I'm checking again, I must have missed it the first time around. I just confused it with a regular file dialog box. My feeling about a different style dialog box stands, Thanks for pointing it out; I'll try to fix that. I'm much, much more interested in a the automatic indent (first brought up by Lee in this thread) that I couldn't live without in Emacs (for any programming langauge..) Being able to hit tab wherever I happen to be in a line and have it do the right thing rather than simply inserting a tab at the cursor location is invaluable, along with reindenting a region or a whole file. So +1 from me for that feature, if there's a tally going on for the requests. ;) Tallied. :) What's your favorite keyboard shortcut for invoking smart indent? Is it TAB? I imagine it's still important to be able to indent and de-indent manually, but maybe I'm wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: Tallied. :) What's your favorite keyboard shortcut for invoking smart indent? Is it TAB? I imagine it's still important to be able to indent and de-indent manually, but maybe I'm wrong. I use TAB. Just about the only file type I edit for which it doesn't do this are Makefiles. C/C++, Clojure/Lisp, O'Caml source files, etc, I use TAB in Emacs and expect it do make the current line indented appropriately, whether I'm at the beginning, end or in the middle of the line. I can't remember the last time I really felt I needed an actual tab character in a source file of mine. Obviously, this can be a highly individual preference and I fully realize not everyone will want to have an editor/IDE behave this way (of course, they're misguided... ;) ) Lars -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
I use TAB. Just about the only file type I edit for which it doesn't do this are Makefiles. C/C++, Clojure/Lisp, O'Caml source files, etc, I use TAB in Emacs and expect it do make the current line indented appropriately, whether I'm at the beginning, end or in the middle of the line. I can't remember the last time I really felt I needed an actual tab character in a source file of mine. I should make clear, I don't allow tab characters in clooj at all. :) All indentation uses spaces. I guess my fear is that users will find it annoying if the TAB key is devoted to smart indentation and space and delete are the only tools for adjusting the indentation manually. But maybe manual indentation is a rare enough that it is better to use TAB for smart indentation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but I'm not getting error-output in the REPL. If I type (println foo) then do CTRL+E I see the REPL spit out the lines I entered, then nothing... Some sort of error feedback would be nice. Timothy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
You may also consider building a plugin architecture for Clooj. For example, Leiningen support can be built by writing a plugin. That's an interesting idea. How do you envision a plugin architecture should work? From the top of my head it looks like it should be possible to safely maintain a global state. The global state can change when you switch from project to project or create/remove projects. Since it is Clojure, safety (due to concurrency) is less of a concern. Based on the Global state, you can choose to render different things for the various controls on screen. For example, if the current project contains project.clj and Leiningen plugin is installed then include a Leiningen menu in the menu bar (which should act on the current project). Similarly, if Marginalia plugin is installed then show a Marginalia menu item under Tools. A TextMate theme plugin may work by taking into account less amount of global states -- it should rather modify the way controls are rendered. So, the look-n-feel should be theme-able. The keyword here seems to be well defined global state properties, which could be hierarchical in order to be extensible. Regards, Shantanu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
All indentation uses spaces. I guess my fear is that users will find it annoying if the TAB key is devoted to smart indentation and space and delete are the only tools for adjusting the indentation manually. But maybe manual indentation is a rare enough that it is better to use TAB for smart indentation. Just wanted to highlight that both Emacs Clojure-mode and Eclipse/ CounterClockWise use TAB to auto-indent the current line correctly. So, I guess the expectation would be likewise for the respective proportion of Clojure users. Though of course the key bindings should be re-mappable too IMHO. Regards, Shantanu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
So, just to expand the scope - what kind of plugins should be possible: 1. Source control plugins - Git, Mercurial, Subversion... 2. Theme/Look-n-feel plugins 3. Syntax highlight plugin - Clojure, Markdown, Textile, XML, Leiningen project.clj, Rakefile, Ruby 4. Tool plugins -- Leiningen, Marginalia, Heroku, AppEngine Features: 1. Debugging using JPDA/CDT 2. Preferences - fonts, key bindings, JDK, Clojure versions 3. Workspaces - project management, source dirs, dependencies etc 4. nREPL support Regards, Shantanu On Jul 19, 1:12 am, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote: You may also consider building a plugin architecture for Clooj. For example, Leiningen support can be built by writing a plugin. That's an interesting idea. How do you envision a plugin architecture should work? From the top of my head it looks like it should be possible to safely maintain a global state. The global state can change when you switch from project to project or create/remove projects. Since it is Clojure, safety (due to concurrency) is less of a concern. Based on the Global state, you can choose to render different things for the various controls on screen. For example, if the current project contains project.clj and Leiningen plugin is installed then include a Leiningen menu in the menu bar (which should act on the current project). Similarly, if Marginalia plugin is installed then show a Marginalia menu item under Tools. A TextMate theme plugin may work by taking into account less amount of global states -- it should rather modify the way controls are rendered. So, the look-n-feel should be theme-able. The keyword here seems to be well defined global state properties, which could be hierarchical in order to be extensible. Regards, Shantanu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Hi Timothy, Thanks for your message. I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but I'm not getting error-output in the REPL. If I type (println foo) then do CTRL+E I see the REPL spit out the lines I entered, then nothing... I don't know why are aren't getting an error message. When I do the same thing, in the REPL output pane I get (println foo) #CompilerException java.lang.Exception: Unable to resolve symbol: foo in this context (NO_SOURCE_FILE:1) What OS and java version are you using? Best regards, Arthur -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Hi Shantanu, Just wanted to highlight that both Emacs Clojure-mode and Eclipse/ CounterClockWise use TAB to auto-indent the current line correctly. So, I guess the expectation would be likewise for the respective proportion of Clojure users. Though of course the key bindings should be re-mappable too IMHO. Very good points. The keyword here seems to be well defined global state properties, which could be hierarchical in order to be extensible. This makes sense to me. How should clooj plug in plugins? So, just to expand the scope - what kind of plugins should be possible: ... Wow, these are fantastic ideas and suggestions. Thanks for thinking all of this through! There's so much to do ... if you feel like undertaking any of these, I'll be very excited by pull requests! ;) Arthur -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
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Java HotSpot 1.6.0_24 64-bit Server VM Windows 7 Professional 64bit Timothy -- “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.” (Robert Firth) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
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Check out http://github.com/daveray/seesaw. It might help ease some of that Swing pain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Arthur, I can't thank you enough. Two great news in a week, that's awesome. I am eagerly awaiting Wednesday. But please, please, please DON'T ABANDON THIS PROJECT. CLJ Hackers, Please lend a hand. You have no excuse; it is written in Clojure. This is what Clojure needs the most! People shouldn't start programming the WRONG way (JAVA.COM) and then come back to learn to think about their problems the RIGHT way (www.clojure.org)! They should start with the Last Programming language and CLOOJ is their first step. Thinking~~: - Maybe we need CLOOJ or something similar for .NET as well. David Miller's work should be rewarded with a CLOOJ of it's own. - A webstart version. - I hope that we don't start to see hundreds of conflicting setup instructions in blog posts (like those for Emacs). - I wish that Swing was prettier on the eye. I love nice GUIs. Thanks again On Jul 18, 4:20 pm, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote: All indentation uses spaces. I guess my fear is that users will find it annoying if the TAB key is devoted to smart indentation and space and delete are the only tools for adjusting the indentation manually. But maybe manual indentation is a rare enough that it is better to use TAB for smart indentation. Just wanted to highlight that both Emacs Clojure-mode and Eclipse/ CounterClockWise use TAB to auto-indent the current line correctly. So, I guess the expectation would be likewise for the respective proportion of Clojure users. Though of course the key bindings should be re-mappable too IMHO. Regards, Shantanu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until one opts in again using TAB or something? On 18 Jul., 22:20, Shantanu Kumar kumar.shant...@gmail.com wrote: All indentation uses spaces. I guess my fear is that users will find it annoying if the TAB key is devoted to smart indentation and space and delete are the only tools for adjusting the indentation manually. But maybe manual indentation is a rare enough that it is better to use TAB for smart indentation. Just wanted to highlight that both Emacs Clojure-mode and Eclipse/ CounterClockWise use TAB to auto-indent the current line correctly. So, I guess the expectation would be likewise for the respective proportion of Clojure users. Though of course the key bindings should be re-mappable too IMHO. Regards, Shantanu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
I can't thank you enough for this Arthur. But please please don't abandon this project. Clojure hackers have no excuse to lend you a hand since it is written in Clojure. A newbie IDE is what Clojure needs most. Scheme was used as a first language so why shouldn't people be able to start with The Last Language. Why should people start with a broken model to think about their problems when they can start with the correct onehttp://www.infoq.com/presentations/An-Introduction-to-Clojure-Time-Model? An IDE such as CLOOJ is essential towards this goal. ~~Wish list~~: - A more memorable name would be CLIDE. - Java Web Start - Swing doesn't make nice UIs. - CLOOJ for ClojureCLR. David Miller's huge efforts were not rewarded with a similar IDE (vsClojure was abandoned). Thanks again -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp abp...@googlemail.com wrote: Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until one opts in again using TAB or something? This is an interesting thought. On the other hand, when lines are merged or split, where does this status go? I'm thinking when a line is split the second of the two resulting lines should start out indented correctly relative to the first, and inherit the first's status; when two lines are merged, the status of the first of the two becomes the status of the merged line. This is consistent with the status being an invisible metacharacter at the start of the line that is deleted with the immediately preceding newline and cloned if enter is hit in the middle of that line. What about multi-line pastes? If the paste is of material cut or copied from inside clooj, the status of each line that was cut or copied would be stored OOB somewhere and used for the paste. (Actually using funny extra characters inline in the copied material has problems if material is copied from clooj and pasted into something else, such as a post to this list.) From outside clooj? Some sensible default, such as autoindent off (keep paste's formatting) or on (auto-fix to context). Maybe let the user choose either in an options screen. Saving the state across sessions also seems to need to be OOB. Putting it in the .clj file at the start of each line would gum up other tools, and adding clooj-internal comments to source files isn't much better. A clooj.dat file in the project root? Alternatively, avoid the mess and just always maintain structure-determined indent of all lines at all times. Does anyone really want fully user-controlled indenting outside of comments anyway? Spaces and tabs in the indent can just jump you to the start of the forms on the line, and self-insert normally in string literals and in ; comments, and single spaces normally anywhere (maybe turn tabs into spaces and tab or space next to a space just moves you to the right of the space). Or, the traditional thing: full control, but tab or something will reindent the current line, or all lines intersecting the selection if any, to structurally-correct positions based on all of the code above, if tab is hit outside a string literal or ; comment. -- Protege: What is this seething mass of parentheses?! Master: Your father's Lisp REPL. This is the language of a true hacker. Not as clumsy or random as C++; a language for a more civilized age. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
Thanks to everyone who downloaded clooj, and thanks especially to those of you who kindly provided feedback! I'm really grateful for your help. Since today's release I've made some bug fixes and improvements to tighten up the handling of projects and files, to address some of the issues people have brought up. Also added is an important bug fix from Steve Lindsay. New releases of clooj 0.1.1 (standalone app and embeddable jar) with these changes are at https://github.com/arthuredelstein/clooj/downloads This is also where downloads of future versions will be available. I have also started a Google group for anyone who wants to continue discussing clooj: http://groups.google.com/group/clooj - Arthur Edelstein On Jul 18, 12:03 am, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I want to let you know about clooj, a small, simple IDE for clojure that I have been developing (in clojure). It's packaged as a single jar file (including clojure 1.2), here:https://github.com/downloads/arthuredelstein/clooj/clooj-0.1.0-standa... Just download it and double-click. (I use clooj to develop clojure code every day at work.) You can look at the source code here:https://github.com/arthuredelstein/clooj clooj runs as a standalone application or you can embed it in other JVM programs. (See the README, below). This is an alpha release and I plan to continue further development. Feedback of all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :) Arthur Edelstein San Francisco -- clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure --- the application clooj is a small, simple IDE (integrated development environment) for the clojure programming language. clooj is written entirely in clojure and uses a swing-based GUI. It is cross-platform (assuming Java 1.6 has been installed on your operating system), and runs as a standalone application or as a clojure editor embedded in another java or clojure application. The standalone version (containing the clojure core) is a single jar file that can be launched by double-clicking its file icon or by running java -jar clooj-XXX-STANDALONE.jar from the command line. To embed in java, call clooj.core.show(). --- the layout The clooj window contains three columns. The left-most column is a tree showing clojure projects and the source files they contain. The middle column is the source file editor. The right column displays inputs and outputs of clojure REPLs (read-evaluate-print loops). --- the source editor The source code editor offers a few simple things to make writing clojure code easier: * A non-traditional bracket-matching feature highlights in gray those brackets that contain the innermost form you are currently editing. * Mismatched or unmatched brackets are highlighted in pink. * TAB indents, and shift+TAB unindents. * Automatically comment-out (and un-comment-out) multiple lines. * When newlines are entered, the next line is automatically indented. * Press ctrl-ENTER to send either the nearest root form or the selected text to the REPL. * Source files are continuously saved in the background to prevent accidental loss of your work in the event of a crash. --- clojure projects Each clojure project corresponds to a project directory somewhere in the file system, containing a src directory. Inside the src directory is the source code hierarchy, composed of directories and .clj files. Note this directory structure is completely compatible with the lein and cake clojure build programs and you are encouraged to use one of these from the command line in conjunction with the clooj editor. Clicking different source files in the projects tree will automatically change the source file currently being edited, as well as switch the REPL to the appropriate namespace. --- read-evaluate-print loops The upper part of clooj's REPL display column shows the REPL history (inputs and outputs) and the lower part is a text area for inputting forms into REPL. Each project gets its own REPL environment: when a project is first selected, a new clojure REPL is created behind the scenes and becomes the REPL in use. By choosing Restart REPL you cause a new REPL to be created for the currently selected project and the old one to be discarded, if possible. If the project directory contains directories named lib and/or jars and there are any jar files inside, these jars will be included in the classpath whenever the project REPL is launched. You can subsequently add further jar files to the classpath by placing them in the lib or jars directory and restarting the REPL. --- more work needed clooj is a work in progress. Your suggestions, criticisms and code contributions are appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
This is a very helpful discussion -- I'm going to think about tabs on the hammock. On Jul 18, 8:06 pm, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp abp...@googlemail.com wrote: Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until one opts in again using TAB or something? This is an interesting thought. On the other hand, when lines are merged or split, where does this status go? I'm thinking when a line is split the second of the two resulting lines should start out indented correctly relative to the first, and inherit the first's status; when two lines are merged, the status of the first of the two becomes the status of the merged line. This is consistent with the status being an invisible metacharacter at the start of the line that is deleted with the immediately preceding newline and cloned if enter is hit in the middle of that line. What about multi-line pastes? If the paste is of material cut or copied from inside clooj, the status of each line that was cut or copied would be stored OOB somewhere and used for the paste. (Actually using funny extra characters inline in the copied material has problems if material is copied from clooj and pasted into something else, such as a post to this list.) From outside clooj? Some sensible default, such as autoindent off (keep paste's formatting) or on (auto-fix to context). Maybe let the user choose either in an options screen. Saving the state across sessions also seems to need to be OOB. Putting it in the .clj file at the start of each line would gum up other tools, and adding clooj-internal comments to source files isn't much better. A clooj.dat file in the project root? Alternatively, avoid the mess and just always maintain structure-determined indent of all lines at all times. Does anyone really want fully user-controlled indenting outside of comments anyway? Spaces and tabs in the indent can just jump you to the start of the forms on the line, and self-insert normally in string literals and in ; comments, and single spaces normally anywhere (maybe turn tabs into spaces and tab or space next to a space just moves you to the right of the space). Or, the traditional thing: full control, but tab or something will reindent the current line, or all lines intersecting the selection if any, to structurally-correct positions based on all of the code above, if tab is hit outside a string literal or ; comment. -- Protege: What is this seething mass of parentheses?! Master: Your father's Lisp REPL. This is the language of a true hacker. Not as clumsy or random as C++; a language for a more civilized age. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Arthur Edelstein arthuredelst...@gmail.com wrote: This is a very helpful discussion -- I'm going to think about tabs on the hammock. Thanks. -- Protege: What is this seething mass of parentheses?! Master: Your father's Lisp REPL. This is the language of a true hacker. Not as clumsy or random as C++; a language for a more civilized age. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
But please, please, please DON'T ABANDON THIS PROJECT. I'll do my best to hang on. :) Thinking~~: - Maybe we need CLOOJ or something similar for .NET as well. David Miller's work should be rewarded with a CLOOJ of it's own. - A webstart version. - I hope that we don't start to see hundreds of conflicting setup instructions in blog posts (like those for Emacs). - I wish that Swing was prettier on the eye. I love nice GUIs. Me too. I think in the long run the coolest thing will be an in- browser clojure IDE for clojure-in-javascript, especially when multi- threaded javascript becomes available in web browsers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
