That's the one I was looking for. Thanks!
Is there a place I can file this as an issue so that the website points to
the right one?
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Alex Miller a...@puredanger.com wrote:
blip.tv killed the Clojure account. Many of the videos were moved to
YouTube under the
Reagi's event streams are not dissimilar to Clojure's seqs, in that while
their content may come from a side-effectful source, seqs and streams
themselves are immutable. It therefore doesn't make a lot of sense to add
an protocol for back-door mutation - in fact, excluding this was a
deliberate
What sort of web development were you planning to do?
- James
On 25 December 2013 21:06, Massimiliano Tomassoli kiuhn...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure if Clojure is the right language for me. I'd like to use
Clojure mainly for web development but I don't know if it's already mature
I'm still partial to Ring.
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:16 AM, James Reeves ja...@booleanknot.com wrote:
What sort of web development were you planning to do?
- James
On 25 December 2013 21:06, Massimiliano Tomassoli kiuhn...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure if Clojure is the right
It was my fault to start discussion in two places, sorry for duplication.
So, I suppose event buses is one of use cases for reagi's event streams. If
I want to pass all data inside application through reagi/events and hold
its state in them then ability to plug/unplug existing streams looks
Let's reduce duplication and discuss this issue solely on Github (for
reference, https://github.com/weavejester/reagi/pull/3).
I suspect there's another way of solving this, but I'll need to know more
about the problem you have.
- James
On 26 December 2013 11:24, Ruslan Prokopchuk
Here's an article I wrote that takes you through the full process of
running nginx and and a Clojure web app.
https://juxt.pro/articles/manual-clojure-deployment.html
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:44:34 PM UTC, Zeynel wrote:
I've set up a home server with ubuntu and nginx and I can serve
On 26 December 2013 12:24, Massimiliano Tomassoli kiuhn...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:16:07 AM UTC+1, James Reeves wrote:
What sort of web development were you planning to do?
I'd like to build websites. What kind depends on what my clients need.
My recent Clojure
Hi Massimiliano.
The absence of a well-established framework for web development in Clojure
is not a sign of its immaturity (rather the opposite). Web frameworks can
give you some increased productivity to begin with, but as soon as you need
to do something that isn't naturally supported by
java -jar is fine in production. Jetty, Tomcat, or Immutant will offer some
conveniences but are not necessary. What is needed (for security reasons)
is an nginx proxy.
On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:42:00 AM UTC-8, Zeynel wrote:
Ok, I worked through the tutorial referenced
Thanks for sharing!
It looks good, though can you explain the rationale for having a separate
library? It seems from my perspective as if the objective of exposing all
the good Joda functionality for Clojure consumption would be more readily
achieved by extending the existing clj-time library.
*Given an infinite number of cores, the time to process a set of dataflow
functions is equivalent to the the time that the longest function took to
do its processing.*
It sounds like you've just discovered Amdahls Law :-D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
As for the articles, the
Thank you, Malcolm. I'm completely new to LISP and its dialects and I'm a
little bit worried about the absence of support for OOP in Clojure. How do
you decompose large systems in Clojure?
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 2:52:26 PM UTC+1, Malcolm Sparks wrote:
Hi Massimiliano.
The absence of
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:16:07 AM UTC+1, James Reeves wrote:
What sort of web development were you planning to do?
I'd like to build websites. What kind depends on what my clients need.
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On Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:55:05 AM UTC+1, Devin Walters (devn) wrote:
http://hoplon.io/#/home/
http://caribou.github.io/caribou/docs/outline.html
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 at 12:26 AM, tao wrote:
http://pedestal.io/
http://www.luminusweb.net/
Why so many frameworks? It's
Yes, I feel framework is a patch to a language. Use framework can do some thing
productively, but also limit you do some thing poorly.
Prefer Libraries to Frameworks
http://blog.getprismatic.com/blog/2012/4/5/software-engineering-at-prismatic.html
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I think your usage of simple check is interesting. What bugs did
simple-check find inside Joda and can you speak about that process in
general?
On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 6:19:18 AM UTC-5, dm3 wrote:
Hello,
I would like to announce the first release of
On 26 December 2013 16:32, Massimiliano Tomassoli kiuhn...@gmail.comwrote:
Thank you, Malcolm. I'm completely new to LISP and its dialects and I'm a
little bit worried about the absence of support for OOP in Clojure. How do
you decompose large systems in Clojure?
You write functions. To
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 7:51:39 PM UTC+1, James Reeves wrote:
On 26 December 2013 16:32, Massimiliano Tomassoli
kiuh...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Thank you, Malcolm. I'm completely new to LISP and its dialects and I'm a
little bit worried about the absence of support for OOP in
exactly which part of OOP is missing in clojure that you would like to use?
if you took my java code and ported it to clojure, the main difference
would be (a b) instead of b.a , but the main design would be similar
2013/12/26 Massimiliano Tomassoli kiuhn...@gmail.com
On Thursday, December 26,
Which page had the link?
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On Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:32:51 AM UTC-5, Massimiliano Tomassoli
wrote:
Thank you, Malcolm. I'm completely new to LISP and its dialects and I'm a
little bit worried about the absence of support for OOP in Clojure. How do
you decompose large systems in Clojure?
This presentation
Agree, classes are not simple
structures, they carry internal
mutable state and hidden behaviours.
Compounding mutable objects
creates a huge brittled context were
system state at any given point in
time is untraceable by a normal
human brain except in simplistic
systems.
Now you could create
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:01:56 PM UTC+1, HamsterofDeath wrote:
exactly which part of OOP is missing in clojure that you would like to use?
if you took my java code and ported it to clojure, the main difference
would be (a b) instead of b.a , but the main design would be similar
How
Encapsulation:
a) I don't miss it.
b) Functions/private-namespaces/maps/deftypes can serve this purpose.
Inheritance:
Clojure provides ad-hoc hierarchies, which give you the desired tree
structure of a type-hierarchy, but it is decoupled from implementation
details. You can inherit
On 26 December 2013 19:53, Massimiliano Tomassoli kiuhn...@gmail.comwrote:
Why implicit? Objects communicate through well-defined channels. OOP can
certainly be misused but it served me well for over 20 years (C++/C#). And
Scala proves that FP and OOP are orthogonal paradigms. I can't see how
It looks good, though can you explain the rationale for having a separate
library? It seems from my perspective as if the objective of exposing all
the good Joda functionality for Clojure consumption would be more readily
achieved by extending the existing clj-time library.
I chose to
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:18:06 PM UTC+1, Luc wrote:
Now you could create un mutable
objects but then why bother
creating classes with hidden
behaviours if there is no hidden
state ?
The state is still hidden. Even if the state is immutable:
1) other code could access it and,
a) encapsulation of unmutable state ? What for ?
b) inheritance ? see a)
c) polymorphism ? Multimethods (which are more flexible) or protocols
Nice words but not much else.
Comparing C versus C++ is fair but this comparison does not relate at all to
Clojure, it's like answering blue to the
On 26 Dec 2013 21:04, Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote:
a) encapsulation of unmutable state ? What for ?
b) inheritance ? see a)
c) polymorphism ? Multimethods (which are more flexible) or protocols
Nice words but not much else.
Comparing C versus C++ is fair but this
If I were to implement something (complex enough) in C and C++ the
differences between my implementations would be far from superficial.
Those are both inexpressive in different ways. In my opinion java is
closer to lisp than C++, given garbage collection, closures (even faked by
objects),
Ok I'll drop the subject. Still cannot understand why people cannot
try something new w/o sticking to the stuff they know already until they are
totally immersed in the new thing. And by that I mean use the new thing as
it was intended.
Then you can generate useful conclusions and get some
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Rich Morin r...@cfcl.com wrote:
On Dec 24, 2013, at 02:09, Cedric Greevey wrote:
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Rich Morin r...@cfcl.com wrote:
Media for Thinking the Unthinkable:
Designing a new medium for science and engineering
I'd suggest instead amending the core language to add a special form, maybe
named .!, that works like . except it sees protected methods (and will
cause an IllegalAccessError if it calls a protected method from outside of
a subclass), and amend proxy to use .! for proxy-super (and put the
clojurekoans.com uses Joodo.
https://github.com/slagyr/joodo
What are some other cool sites powered by Clojure?
On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:06:20 PM UTC-5, Massimiliano Tomassoli
wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure if Clojure is the right language for me. I'd like to use
Clojure mainly for web
http://preview.getprismatic.com/news/home
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:42 PM, john walker john.lou.wal...@gmail.comwrote:
clojurekoans.com uses Joodo.
https://github.com/slagyr/joodo
What are some other cool sites powered by Clojure?
On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:06:20 PM UTC-5,
The problem is that your approach requires creating the proxy class with
the method bodies actually compiled into the body of the proxy class
method, they can't be in fns in a proxy map as they are now. This is ok in
the case where a method body is just the proxy-super call, but most aren't
- they
You can define vars to be private to a namespace in clojure, thus
preventing (1). In practice, I've found that (2) never comes up.
Ultimately, you won't truly appreciate what is being said in this
conversation without giving it a chance and trying it out.
On Thursday, December 26, 2013
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:26:11 PM UTC+1, Gary Trakhman wrote:
If I were to implement something (complex enough) in C and C++ the
differences between my implementations would be far from superficial.
Those are both inexpressive in different ways. In my opinion java is
closer to
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:04:00 PM UTC+1, Luc wrote:
Ok I'll drop the subject. Still cannot understand why people cannot
try something new w/o sticking to the stuff they know already until they
are
totally immersed in the new thing. And by that I mean use the new thing as
it was
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:04:21 PM UTC+1, Luc wrote:
a) encapsulation of unmutable state ? What for ?
b) inheritance ? see a)
c) polymorphism ? Multimethods (which are more flexible) or protocols
Nice words but not much else.
Comparing C versus C++ is fair but this comparison
On 27 December 2013 00:16, Massimiliano Tomassoli kiuhn...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:04:00 PM UTC+1, Luc wrote:
Ok I'll drop the subject. Still cannot understand why people cannot
try something new w/o sticking to the stuff they know already until they
are
totally
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:00:46 PM UTC+1, James Reeves wrote:
On 26 December 2013 19:53, Massimiliano Tomassoli
kiuh...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Why implicit? Objects communicate through well-defined channels. OOP can
certainly be misused but it served me well for over 20
In case anyone is interested in a workaround for this, I managed to fix
my compilation by stubbing out the problematic classes and putting the
stubs ahead of the real classes in the classpath when I compile. Where
those stubs return other objects that are required during static
initialisation, I
This depends strictly on your learning speed which I will
not comment here :)
It took me three months full time to start to feel at ease with
Clojure writing production code and I was around 45 years
old at the time.
Learning is never inefficient... when you want to learn.
Luc P
On
I do like the way Clojure steers you away from all sorts of unnecessary
OO-nonsense, and provides most of the raw capabilities of OO in other forms.
However, even if you avoid mutable state, inheritance, and polymorphism,
Classes/objects make great namespaces, and Clojure's namespaces can't do
Hi Mark,
I am not following your example. Can you post (pseudocode fine) what a
good OO impl would look like, and why Clojure's defrecords can't do
something similar?
Stu
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.comwrote:
I do like the way Clojure steers you
Does this OO pseudocode help clarify at all?
https://gist.github.com/Engelberg/8142000
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stuart Halloway
stuart.hallo...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Mark,
I am not following your example. Can you post (pseudocode fine) what a
good OO impl would look like, and why
One reason it might not be clear what I'm driving it is that in trying to
create a minimalist example, I used grid dimensions, and in reality, you'd
probably know right away to put something like that in a data structure,
and pass it around to all your functions.
Try to imagine that at the
On Dec 26, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Massimiliano Tomassoli kiuhn...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you, Malcolm. I'm completely new to LISP and its dialects and I'm a
little bit worried about the absence of support for OOP in Clojure. How do
you decompose large systems in Clojure?
That seems like a very
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Colin Fleming
colin.mailingl...@gmail.comwrote:
The problem is that your approach requires creating the proxy class with
the method bodies actually compiled into the body of the proxy class
method, they can't be in fns in a proxy map as they are now. This is ok
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Massimiliano Tomassoli
kiuhn...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you, Malcolm. I'm completely new to LISP and its dialects and I'm a
little bit worried about the absence of support for OOP in Clojure.
I'm a little late to this thread (it's been one of those days!) but
I see. The problem is that you can't tell in advance which methods might be
called with proxy-super, so you'd have to generate proxy-super methods for
all non-public superclass methods. It's an interesting idea. I suspect it's
a fairly tricky change since you'd have to change the method resolution
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