Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?
Hi! This highly depends on what’s most effective for you. If I were your tutor [1], I’d hear “but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp,” and take that as a strong indicator that this path (first exploring Emacs) might be effective for you. Useful to probe more deeply into two threads: your interest in Emacs and interest in Clojure. Why you find these interesting. (For example, do you find Emacs a pleasant, customizable environment to live in?) A couple lessons which seem transferable are: a) getting used to parens/brackets as delimiting code/data units, and b) getting used to an environment you can interactively change while it runs. But I really don’t know. I've only written small Emacs Lisp programs. (Unlike say Bozhidar, who also responded.) All the best, Tj [1] I tutor someone in computing, so that’s a common frame of reference. (But it’s limited since I haven’t tutored many. Like a tailor who knows only a few body types.) On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 4:00:03 AM UTC+2, mnz...@gmail.com wrote: i am about to use emas and start to learn emacs lisp, would the study of emacs lisp help to learn clojure, both of them are lisp dialect, so would it take a long time to swich from emacs lisp to clojure? i just want to learn clojure, but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp, is that an effective way to master lisp and the great editor emacs? or it's better to start from clojure and some other ide directly? need some suggestions and advices:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?
Oh, and I'd try to figure out if this theory has any merit: do things like paredit and yasnippet help you intuitively think in terms of manipulating structure rather than text? Because in Clojure, you're constantly transforming and pushing around units of data. On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 11:45:10 AM UTC+2, Tj Gabbour wrote: Hi! This highly depends on what’s most effective for you. If I were your tutor [1], I’d hear “but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp,” and take that as a strong indicator that this path (first exploring Emacs) might be effective for you. Useful to probe more deeply into two threads: your interest in Emacs and interest in Clojure. Why you find these interesting. (For example, do you find Emacs a pleasant, customizable environment to live in?) A couple lessons which seem transferable are: a) getting used to parens/brackets as delimiting code/data units, and b) getting used to an environment you can interactively change while it runs. But I really don’t know. I've only written small Emacs Lisp programs. (Unlike say Bozhidar, who also responded.) All the best, Tj [1] I tutor someone in computing, so that’s a common frame of reference. (But it’s limited since I haven’t tutored many. Like a tailor who knows only a few body types.) On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 4:00:03 AM UTC+2, mnz...@gmail.com wrote: i am about to use emas and start to learn emacs lisp, would the study of emacs lisp help to learn clojure, both of them are lisp dialect, so would it take a long time to swich from emacs lisp to clojure? i just want to learn clojure, but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp, is that an effective way to master lisp and the great editor emacs? or it's better to start from clojure and some other ide directly? need some suggestions and advices:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?
You can definitely start using Emacs without having to learn Emacs Lisp. Unless you're planning to write some custom extensions or customize your setup wildly you can go a very long way with just cursory knowledge of Emacs Lisp. At any rate - knowing any Lisp dialect makes it relatively easy to pick up other dialects. I had learned Common Lisp back in the day and this made it pretty easy for me to pick up Emacs Lisp when I had to dive deeper into it. I'm kind of biased, but I believe that the Emacs tooling for Clojure is pretty nice. :-) If you're in to IDEs, however, guess you should check out Cursive or CCC instead. On 4 April 2015 at 05:46, Juvenn Woo mach...@gmail.com wrote: Agree with Andy. As a starter, it is better and faster to learn Clojure alone. After you grasped one, the other lisps will be easy to follow. Emacs has been the de facto goto choice for most here, it is highly recommended to invest into it. Other than that, there're vim fireplace, as well as IDE plugin Cursive that might be your liking. PS: I use vim + fireplace :) — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: If your goal is to learn Clojure, I would recommend not learning Emacs Lisp at the same time, just to avoid confusion that may arise in your mind due to the differences between the two. You can use Emacs without learning Emacs Lisp with no problem. I've used Emacs for 20 years, and only know a little tiny bit of Emacs Lisp. Andy On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:54 PM, mnz...@gmail.com wrote: i am about to use emas and start to learn emacs lisp, would the study of emacs lisp help to learn clojure, both of them are lisp dialect, so would it take a long time to swich from emacs lisp to clojure? i just want to learn clojure, but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp, is that an effective way to master lisp and the great editor emacs? or it's better to start from clojure and some other ide directly? need some suggestions and advices:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?
Ops, I meant to say CCW, not CCC. :-) On 4 April 2015 at 10:43, Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Please also note that Counterclockwise, the Eclipse plugin for Clojure, also comes with all all-inclusive zip archive which makes you as easy to start creating a new project as Download / Unzip / Start: http://doc.ccw-ide.org/documentation.html#install-as-standalone-product 2015-04-04 3:54 GMT+02:00 mnz...@gmail.com: i am about to use emas and start to learn emacs lisp, would the study of emacs lisp help to learn clojure, both of them are lisp dialect, so would it take a long time to swich from emacs lisp to clojure? i just want to learn clojure, but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp, is that an effective way to master lisp and the great editor emacs? or it's better to start from clojure and some other ide directly? need some suggestions and advices:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Laurent Petit -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?
Please also note that Counterclockwise, the Eclipse plugin for Clojure, also comes with all all-inclusive zip archive which makes you as easy to start creating a new project as Download / Unzip / Start: http://doc.ccw-ide.org/documentation.html#install-as-standalone-product 2015-04-04 3:54 GMT+02:00 mnz...@gmail.com: i am about to use emas and start to learn emacs lisp, would the study of emacs lisp help to learn clojure, both of them are lisp dialect, so would it take a long time to swich from emacs lisp to clojure? i just want to learn clojure, but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp, is that an effective way to master lisp and the great editor emacs? or it's better to start from clojure and some other ide directly? need some suggestions and advices:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Laurent Petit -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?
Agree with Andy. As a starter, it is better and faster to learn Clojure alone. After you grasped one, the other lisps will be easy to follow. Emacs has been the de facto goto choice for most here, it is highly recommended to invest into it. Other than that, there're vim fireplace, as well as IDE plugin Cursive that might be your liking. PS: I use vim + fireplace :) — Sent from Mailbox On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: If your goal is to learn Clojure, I would recommend not learning Emacs Lisp at the same time, just to avoid confusion that may arise in your mind due to the differences between the two. You can use Emacs without learning Emacs Lisp with no problem. I've used Emacs for 20 years, and only know a little tiny bit of Emacs Lisp. Andy On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:54 PM, mnz...@gmail.com wrote: i am about to use emas and start to learn emacs lisp, would the study of emacs lisp help to learn clojure, both of them are lisp dialect, so would it take a long time to swich from emacs lisp to clojure? i just want to learn clojure, but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp, is that an effective way to master lisp and the great editor emacs? or it's better to start from clojure and some other ide directly? need some suggestions and advices:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: anybody here who use emacs to edit closure? is emacs lisp a good starting point to learn closure?
If your goal is to learn Clojure, I would recommend not learning Emacs Lisp at the same time, just to avoid confusion that may arise in your mind due to the differences between the two. You can use Emacs without learning Emacs Lisp with no problem. I've used Emacs for 20 years, and only know a little tiny bit of Emacs Lisp. Andy On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:54 PM, mnz...@gmail.com wrote: i am about to use emas and start to learn emacs lisp, would the study of emacs lisp help to learn clojure, both of them are lisp dialect, so would it take a long time to swich from emacs lisp to clojure? i just want to learn clojure, but i wanna to start from emacs and emacs lisp, is that an effective way to master lisp and the great editor emacs? or it's better to start from clojure and some other ide directly? need some suggestions and advices:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
