This debate has raged within Colorado Sail & Yacht Club for the last several
years. The J/22 racers argue that the larger PHRF boats (spinnaker or not)
should sail windward/leeward courses like they do. The larger PHRF boats
(including spinnaker boats) like reaching because that’s when
At one time we use to set the triangle and run the boats around the
triangle, then windward leeward (beat, reach, reach, beat, downwind).
That course always seemed better for different generation boats since it
involved all points of sail.
Now if the organizer sets a W/L course the lightweight
I did exactly this with my '73 25 about two years ago. Removed it myself,
dropped it off at Rigging Only (Fairhaven, MA), picked it up about a week later
and reinstalled it. They even provide the shear pins and cotter pins.
Mark G
C 25 Williwaw
Mattapoisett, MA
My local rigger is taking
We just removed our babystay and never looked back. We've never missed it,
even when bashing to windward in swells. I will say though the genoa sheets
do get caught more often on random stuff on the foredeck (hatches, vents,
etc.) that otherwise they would be kept clear of.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at
Agreed. You sail the course provided. However, if the PRO picks the average
wind direction, sets the marks and then lets it alone, one has at least tried
for the course that best fits the handicapping procedure.RonWild Cheri
On Friday, September 10, 2021, 01:35:56 PM CDT, Della Barba,
Now that we're back home to local waters of BC's Gulf Islands where good
anchorages are every few miles, and not trying to get anywhere, I am
enjoying just sailing where the wind and current take us. I'm finding
surprising speed on reaches... Yesterday we almost caught up to a Beneteau
that was
Matthew said " What you’re saying is impossible. "
Matthew, can you clarify what it is exactly that I said was
impossible. I may have misunderstood if it was me you referring to or
your RC?
Robert Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.
On 2021-09-10 10:33 a.m., Matthew via CnC-List wrote:
Joe, Kenny Read agrees with you. He wrote an article to that effect some months
ago.
Andy
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> On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:35, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
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I have been in races that were almost 100% downwind or 100% upwind, thanks to
perfect timing of wind shifts. Somehow it worked out and the PHRF ratings are
what they are and we dealt with it.
I know many people disagree, but IMHO making big boat racing resemble dinghy
racing and making dinghy
W/L racing is also ‘encouraged’ by some PROs when their mark boats are limited
to only 1. Much easier to adjust the course if you only need to either adjust
the line or move only 1 or at most 2 marks (W and L).
Moving a jibe mark efficiently to provide a ‘more perfect’ triangle usually
requires
The problem is with the handicap numbers. A triangle course has only 33%
beat, if equilateral. The more you spread out the offset mark, the less
percentage the beat; the more you pull it in, the higher percentage beat.For
PHRF to work, I believe they recommend at least a 40% beat.
Lots of discussion at our club on this as we started the year with set mark
racing which to me is fun -sometimes- but there is very little to think
about in terms of strategy and tactics. The W/L courses bring that aspect
of competition back in and is also a great way to hone boat handling
This is an ongoing issue with racing, everything is W/L dinghy racing no matter
if your boat is 10 feet long or 110 feet long. Back in the day when men were
men and sheep were scared we used government marks and you got what you got,
reaches, beats, runs, whatever.
When I used to RC C races I
With regard to the reaching capabilities of the 35-1 and 35-2, when the RC set
a teaching course, some of my competition said to me before the race “they
might as well give Touche’ the trophy now”.
Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to
> On Sep 10, 2021, at 8:07 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List
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> The C 33-2 is very fast on a beat. It has PHRF 132 and the older 35-2 has
> PHRF 120. On a beat it’s hard for the 35-2 to stay with the slower rated
> 33-2. However from close reach to run the 35-2 excels. It is
That’s interesting. I keep having issues with my local RC because they set
only windward/leeward courses, no triangles and no reaches. The reported
rationale is that “no one ever passes anybody on a reach.” What you’re saying
is impossible.
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Some years back when were campaigning a 33-II, we were racing her in the
Bras d'Or Lakes.there was 35-II from Shediac, NB with a good crew.
The course was a beat, reach and runevery race was the same, the
33-ii would get to the first windward mark ahead the 35-II, but once on
the
The C 33-2 is very fast on a beat. It has PHRF 132 and the older 35-2 has
PHRF 120. On a beat it’s hard for the 35-2 to stay with the slower rated
33-2. However from close reach to run the 35-2 excels. It is difficult for
a faster rated C 37 (PHRF 105) to stay with the slower rated C 35-2 on
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