Re: Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

As I recall the Yanmar manual says to start with mid-throttle.

Josh

On Dec 6, 2017 9:16 PM, "David Castor via CnC-List" 
wrote:

FWIW, on my Westerbeke, the owner's manual recommends starting with
throttle wide open.  Don't know about Yanmar.  It helped a lot when I
started doing that.  I guess it's good to read the manual sometimes.

Dave Castor

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:49 AM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Fred:
> My 3GMF (20hp) does the same thing.  When I first start it I give it full
> throttle, and it starts fine.  After a race, it starts fine with no
> advanced throttle.  I just assume the fuel is flowing back in the line, and
> it's taking a while to get to the engine.  Some day I'll tighten all the
> fuel line fittings.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> What causes it to start poorly?  To start it we have to give it full
>> throttle.  One more clue is that when it first fires some white smoke comes
>> out..
>>
>> Fred Hazzard
>> S/V Fury
>> Portland Or
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Re: Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I read the same thing in my Westerbeke manual, and follow the recommended 
procedure.  Not surprisingly, the manufacturers know what they are talking 
about.

From: David Castor via CnC-List 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

FWIW, on my Westerbeke, the owner's manual recommends starting with throttle 
wide open.  Don't know about Yanmar.  It helped a lot when I started doing 
that.  I guess it's good to read the manual sometimes.  


Dave Castor


On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:49 AM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Fred:

  My 3GMF (20hp) does the same thing.  When I first start it I give it full 
throttle, and it starts fine.  After a race, it starts fine with no advanced 
throttle.  I just assume the fuel is flowing back in the line, and it's taking 
a while to get to the engine.  Some day I'll tighten all the fuel line fittings.


  Alan Bergen

  35 Mk III Thirsty

  Rose City YC

  Portland, OR


  On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

What causes it to start poorly?  To start it we have to give it full 
throttle.  One more clue is that when it first fires some white smoke comes 
out..

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
Portland Or


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Re: Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

[David Castor via CnC-List]

FWIW, on my Westerbeke, the owner's manual recommends starting with
throttle wide open.  Don't know about Yanmar.  It helped a lot when I
started doing that.  I guess it's good to read the manual sometimes.

Dave Castor

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:49 AM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Fred:
> My 3GMF (20hp) does the same thing.  When I first start it I give it full
> throttle, and it starts fine.  After a race, it starts fine with no
> advanced throttle.  I just assume the fuel is flowing back in the line, and
> it's taking a while to get to the engine.  Some day I'll tighten all the
> fuel line fittings.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> What causes it to start poorly?  To start it we have to give it full
>> throttle.  One more clue is that when it first fires some white smoke comes
>> out..
>>
>> Fred Hazzard
>> S/V Fury
>> Portland Or
>>
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Re: Stus-List Stove

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Josh

If the other lister passes on it I’m interested

Joel

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> I have a Force 10, 3 burner and oven which I could be pursuaded to part
> with.  I've been eyeing a Wallas 87d diesel stove/oven/cabin heater for
> some time now.  I keep saying, "When the other one (Force 10) needs
> replaced "
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Dec 6, 2017 3:03 PM, "Chuck Saur via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> Neil, all, I am searching for a good stainless PROPANE oven/stove for my
> 35-3.  I tired of multiple attempts at torching my boat with the alcohol
> model and de-fused the beast.   If yours (or anyone else?) is propane, in
> good shape, and is for sale, could you let me know please?  Thanks!
>
>
> *Chuck Saur*
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Re: Stus-List Stove

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have a Force 10, 3 burner and oven which I could be pursuaded to part
with.  I've been eyeing a Wallas 87d diesel stove/oven/cabin heater for
some time now.  I keep saying, "When the other one (Force 10) needs
replaced "

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Dec 6, 2017 3:03 PM, "Chuck Saur via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Neil, all, I am searching for a good stainless PROPANE oven/stove for my
35-3.  I tired of multiple attempts at torching my boat with the alcohol
model and de-fused the beast.   If yours (or anyone else?) is propane, in
good shape, and is for sale, could you let me know please?  Thanks!


*Chuck Saur*

(517)-490-5926 <(517)%20490-5926>

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Re: Stus-List Stove

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Mine was alcohol which I deposited into a dumpster.  Still have the pressurized 
alcohol cylinder on the boat.  I’ll get around to removing it eventually  J

Neil 

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Neil, all, I am searching for a good stainless PROPANE oven/stove for my 35-3.  
I tired of multiple attempts at torching my boat with the alcohol model and 
de-fused the beast.   If yours (or anyone else?) is propane, in good shape, and 
is for sale, could you let me know please?  Thanks!

 

 

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Stus-List Looking for #4 Jib

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

All,

i'm looking for a #4 dacron jib for my 44.  I is 55.  Total area no more
than 400 sq feet.  Make your spouse happy and clean out that sail locker!

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Stus-List Stove

[Chuck Saur via CnC-List]

Neil, all, I am searching for a good stainless PROPANE oven/stove for my
35-3.  I tired of multiple attempts at torching my boat with the alcohol
model and de-fused the beast.   If yours (or anyone else?) is propane, in
good shape, and is for sale, could you let me know please?  Thanks!


*Chuck Saur*

(517)-490-5926
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Re: Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Fred:
My 3GMF (20hp) does the same thing.  When I first start it I give it full
throttle, and it starts fine.  After a race, it starts fine with no
advanced throttle.  I just assume the fuel is flowing back in the line, and
it's taking a while to get to the engine.  Some day I'll tighten all the
fuel line fittings.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What causes it to start poorly?  To start it we have to give it full
> throttle.  One more clue is that when it first fires some white smoke comes
> out..
>
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> Portland Or
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Re: Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

All

I went through all of these 3GM30 engine issues for the last 3 years.
Finally came to my senses and in October I replaced the old tired 3GM30F
with a new 3YM30AGE. The difference is extraordinary & I only wish that I
had replaced the 3GM30 3 years ago.

Best regards,
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C 39TM
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
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> Checking compression is a good idea.  White smoke usually means water in
> the cylinder.  You might look for a leaking head gasket which a compression
> check may reveal.
>
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> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> Check compression?
>>
>> Clean/service injectors?
>>
>> Service the HP Pump?
>>
>> Keep us updated
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Yanmar 3HM35F
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2017 1:53 PM, "Fred Hazzard via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What causes it to start poorly?  To start it we have to give it full
>>> throttle.  One more clue is that when it first fires some white smoke comes
>>> out..
>>>
>>> Fred Hazzard
>>> S/V Fury
>>> Portland Or
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Checking compression is a good idea.  White smoke usually means water in
the cylinder.  You might look for a leaking head gasket which a compression
check may reveal.

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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Check compression?
>
> Clean/service injectors?
>
> Service the HP Pump?
>
> Keep us updated
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Yanmar 3HM35F
> Solomons, MD
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2017 1:53 PM, "Fred Hazzard via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> What causes it to start poorly?  To start it we have to give it full
>> throttle.  One more clue is that when it first fires some white smoke comes
>> out..
>>
>> Fred Hazzard
>> S/V Fury
>> Portland Or
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Check compression?

Clean/service injectors?

Service the HP Pump?

Keep us updated

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Yanmar 3HM35F
Solomons, MD


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> What causes it to start poorly?  To start it we have to give it full
> throttle.  One more clue is that when it first fires some white smoke comes
> out..
>
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> Portland Or
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Stus-List Hard starting 3GM 30

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

What causes it to start poorly?  To start it we have to give it full throttle.  
One more clue is that when it first fires some white smoke comes out..

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury 
Portland Or


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Re: Stus-List Mega Prototype?

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 me too...!

 


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Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mega Prototype?





I'd love to see that pic that was too big for the list.
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Re: Stus-List Mega Prototype?

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 I'd love to see that pic that was too big for the list.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL
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Re: Stus-List Mega Prototype?

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Thanks Don,

I was Project Manager in the design office for the Mega. The Mega would
make a very interesting chapter all of its own in any history of C Yachts
that is ever written.

My family and I also spent a couple of very happy summers on Erich
Bruckmann's Mega *Put-Put* cruising Georgian Bay.

Rob

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> Hi Rob,
>
> Thank you. Your depth of knowledge is valued!
>
>
>
> Don
>
> Don Harben
>
> > On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Robert Mazza  wrote:
> >
> > Harbour
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Re: Stus-List Mega Prototype?

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All,

I sent this out previously, but it was blocked because the attached photo
exceeded the maximum allowed megabytes, so I'm sending it again without the
photo.

Rob Mazza

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Robert Mazza  wrote:

> Yes, this is undoubtedly the aluminium prototype for the Mega. It was
> built as a one-off by Martin and Danny Klacko (Klacko Spars and Klacko
> Marine) in Oakville. The first owner was Cliff Howard who, because of its
> aluminium construction, named it *Poubelle,* which is French for garbage
> can. See photo attached of this boat in Bronte Harbour just after launching
> with the Don Green's 1978 Canada's Cup winner *Evergreen* in the
> background.
>
> Rob Mazza
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Don Harben via CnC-List <
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>> Hi
>>
>> I am curious about the story behind this C Is this a prototype Mega?
>>
>> Don
>>
>>  Voilier de 30 pieds en aluminium avec remorque
>> 
>>
>> Aluminum sailboat built by C & C in 1978, was in dry dock at C & C for 10
>> years, launched in 1988. Retractable keel with chain block ratchet, simple
>> and effective keel lock, Honda engine 4 stroke 20 HP long foot 2009, about
>> 250 hours, dinghy Silver marine 9 feet 2008,1 large battened sail in good
>> condition, 2 genoa, 1 battened jib, 1 asymmetrical spinnaker new with
>> outrigger. Profiled mast 40 feet on candlestick, boom 14 feet, tiller with
>> saffron jack knife, 2 winch on cabin + 2 2-speed winch cockpit, frank paint
>> made in 2016, Jabsco toilet and flexible Vetus tank, drain plug on deck ,
>> water intake, sink, cooler compartment, VHF radio, sound system + 2
>> speakers, depth gauge, lock for speed, to repair, wind vane and VHF antenna
>> at the masthead. the floors are redone and I sell it with new floors not
>> yet installed, can sleep 2 small people in the clamp + 2 front berths and 2
>> rear berths. rear navigation lights and starboard bow to the balcony. 2
>> Danforth anchors 25 lbs with 50 feet of chain each, one with 200 feet this
>> cable, the other with 150 feet of cable. electrical panel with circuit
>> breakers, light in the passenger compartment and in the clamp. Cockpit
>> cushions and cushions inside in good condition. 5 life jackets, 1 life
>> saver and life line, 2 ABC fire extinguishers, manual bilge pump. Sailboat
>> fully insulated with urethane. the ceiling finish remains to be done,
>> several defenses. The sailboat is 30 feet over all and has a 7 foot 10 inch
>> master beam, the draft is 6 feet 6 inches. Comes with a double axle
>> trailer, I only use it for the launching and the exit of the water, the
>> trailer has a retractable balm with pin, which facilitates the launching
>> with a pick up 4 x 4 3/4 tons. Weight of the trailer and the sailboat, 5
>> tons. A survey for insurance is planned next spring, according to the
>> latest survey, the boat is very solid and built with aviation grade high
>> quality aluminum. There is still a bit of arm oil to do but at this price,
>> for an aluminum sailboat is a bargain. We sell it for the purchase of an
>> offshore sailboat in anticipation of trips. Negotiable price. Serious
>> buyers please contact me by email
>>
>> Don Harben
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