Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Second that.   When I rebuilt my keel sump, I had removed the keel bolts, and I 
figured I should Re bed the keel at the same time.  The boat was on the hard 
and not easily accessible by a travel lift, so I  raised the hull as much as I 
could with the six cradle pads and cleaned out the keel/hull joint with a 
hacksaw blade.  Imperfect but it worked.  I used 4200 (iirc) to squeeze into 
the gap, and worked it in with a coffee stir stick.  I then lowered the hull 
and partially tightened the bolts, then tooled the joint with an acetone 
dampened rag to remove the squeeze out.  After it cured I torqued the bolts.  
I then had the impulse to skim the joint with an angle grinder, about 3” back 
on either side and I covered it with fine glass cloth and epoxy which I faired 
once cured.   I figured I could easily skim it off if it failed (which I 
expected) or if I needed to do maintenance in future.   8 years later it’s 
still going strong, no issues evident, and the joint is undetectable. 

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2016/08/repair-of-keelhull-joint-closing.html?m=1

Dave 
33-2 windstar



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> On Sep 13, 2022, at 6:59 PM, John Read via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Remember 5200 is a permanent adhesive - not a sealant
> 
> 
> 
> John Read
> Legacy III
> 1982 C 34
> Noank, CT
> -Original Message-
> From: james drew via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 5:12 PM
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: james drew
> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
> 
> Hello Dwight,
> Did you use any bedding compound in the smile before you glassed?
> I was planning on doing some tightening this winter and was contemplating
> squeezing 3M 5200 into the smile before tightening and then glassing the
> exterior of the smile.
> Cheers,
> jpdsailor=

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[John Read via CnC-List]

Remember 5200 is a permanent adhesive - not a sealant



John Read
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT
-Original Message-
From: james drew via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 5:12 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: james drew
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

Hello Dwight,
Did you use any bedding compound in the smile before you glassed?
I was planning on doing some tightening this winter and was contemplating
squeezing 3M 5200 into the smile before tightening and then glassing the
exterior of the smile.
Cheers,
jpdsailor=

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I did not use any bedding compound.  Just used my angle grinder with 4 inch
disc to grind out between the lead keel and the keel sump. Created a gap
about 1/2 inch wide started from forward and aft about 2 feet or so.
Cleaned up the 2 freshly ground surfaces and washed each well with acetone.
Then painted unthickened West system epoxy on each surface to cure
overnight. Then filled the gap with silica fibrr thickened west system
epoxy putty. Then ground off rough edges and started laying strips of West
system epoxy soaked glass matt to cover both sides. Three layers I think
increasing from 1 to 3 inches wide. After curing faired with polyester car
body filler. Nice job that lasted well for several years before I sold the
boat.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 6:12 PM james drew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello Dwight,
> Did you use any bedding compound in the smile before you glassed?
> I was planning on doing some tightening this winter and was contemplating
> squeezing 3M 5200 into the smile before tightening and then glassing the
> exterior of the smile.
> Cheers,
> jpdsailor

-- 
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Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[james drew via CnC-List]

Hello Dwight,
Did you use any bedding compound in the smile before you glassed?
I was planning on doing some tightening this winter and was contemplating 
squeezing 3M 5200 into the smile before tightening and then glassing the 
exterior of the smile.
Cheers,
jpdsailor

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I wouldn't get your knickers in a twist, but whenever you go to check them
you could do it.
Where I would not want to wait is wherever you have SS screws in aluminum,
Because that is a constant chemical reaction!
I have even tried to Tef-gel some screws in carbon fiber, like the screws
holding the Eye for my mainsheet attachment, and they are stuck in there
for the duration!

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:02 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Would you recommend I Tef Gel the bolts this winter?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 13, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Nope.
> I can recall torquing on my 39, I have a 3/4" torque wrench with a 4 foot
> extension - I would have to put my left foot on the top of the socket
> extension, and my other foot on the bulkhead while pulling on the 4 foot
> extension, and that was hard. I eventually put Tef-Gel on the threads which
> allows you to use a little less torque. Stainless LOVES to gall on itself,
> and once a nut starts to lock up, you are screwed!  No Pun intended.
> This comment below is from the Tartan site.
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Keelbolt Torque 6/21/02
>
> Good morning [all]. It appears the [folks here] have been busy coming up
> with
> questions regarding our keel installations which have been surfacing
> ever since I've been monitoring the list. I hope the following will answer
> some of your questions:
>
> Tartan uses a "Live" joint to mate the keel to the hull.
>
> A live joint is a joint that is able to flex during thermal expansion and
> contraction as well as accommodate movement in the structure while
> normally loaded as well as those occasional abnormal loads (grounding).
>
> This installation has been in use since the early 1960's with great
> success.
> One of the great advantages of this installation is that tightening the
> keel bolts will not promote water intrusion.
>
> We use a two-part THIOKOL adhesive sealant between the keel to hull
> joint which creates a permanent gasket. As you know, gaskets
> are used elsewhere on your boat such as on the engine water pump.
>
> Tightening the bolts on gasketed seals does not promote leaks as long
> as the bolts are evenly torqued.
>
> Keel bolts should be torqued to the following specifications:
> 1" bolts should be maintained at 350 ft/lbs
> 3/4" bolts at 250 ft/lbs and
> 1/2" bolts at 180 ft lbs.
>
> Tartan no longer covers up the keel to hull joint with glass tape for
> cosmetic
> purposes. For the last several years we have been leaving the seam
> exposed and faired with a THIOKOL bead to eliminate the maintenance
> issues with glass tape. Some other manufacturers install their
> keels with an epoxy joint. We don't find this to be reliable since
> the lead will expand and contract at a different rate than the
> fiberglass. If the bolts become loose the joint will fail and there is no
> chance of tightening up the bolts to eliminate a leak. A sudden
> impact can also jar the joint enough to break the bond.
>
> There you have it. I hope I answered all the keel joint questions.
> George GuldenTartan
> Yachts
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:58 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I am using these numbers:
>>
>> http://cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/torquebolts/torquebolts.htm
>>
>> Are they wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Wyatt via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:52 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com; Wyatt 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s too much torque? I’ve seen C specs based on nut size, and for my
>> 36-1 it was around 150 ft-lb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are
>> still sore!
>>
>> FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150
>> pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.
>>
>> If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Josh 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> You can come borrow my torque multiplier.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List > >:
>>
>> Those sizes are correct – thanks!
>>
>> I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just
>> ordered this thing, so I can set them exactly:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> 

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:15 PM dwight veinot  wrote:

> Yea when I torqued the keel bolts on my 35mkII I used a 4 ft extension on
> the drive knowing I could pull about 100 pounds so i figured about 350-400
> lbft of torque. Trickiest part was finding space to get one click on the
> 3/4 inch drive ratchet. I used an extension from the socket down in the
> bilge to the ratchet about 2 feet long to get above the settees and that
> worked to get 1 click with the 4 ft extension on the drive. A wobbly setup
> but I got the job done complete with new bedding and 3/8 inch stainless
> steel backing plates below the nuts. Then I did the famous C smile repair
> from the outside and solved that ugly issue.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are
>> still sore!
>>
>> FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150
>> pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.
>>
>> If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Josh 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> You can come borrow my torque multiplier.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List > >:
>>
>> Those sizes are correct – thanks!
>>
>> I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just
>> ordered this thing, so I can set them exactly:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>> *From:* Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com; Thomas Delaney 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> --
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
-- 
Sent from Gmail Mobile

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Would you recommend I Tef Gel the bolts this winter?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nope.
> I can recall torquing on my 39, I have a 3/4" torque wrench with a 4 foot 
> extension - I would have to put my left foot on the top of the socket 
> extension, and my other foot on the bulkhead while pulling on the 4 foot 
> extension, and that was hard. I eventually put Tef-Gel on the threads which 
> allows you to use a little less torque. Stainless LOVES to gall on itself, 
> and once a nut starts to lock up, you are screwed!  No Pun intended.
> This comment below is from the Tartan site.
> 
> Bill Coleman
> 
> Keelbolt Torque 6/21/02
> 
> Good morning [all]. It appears the [folks here] have been busy coming up with 
> questions regarding our keel installations which have been surfacing 
> ever since I've been monitoring the list. I hope the following will answer 
> some of your questions:
> 
> Tartan uses a "Live" joint to mate the keel to the hull.
> 
> A live joint is a joint that is able to flex during thermal expansion and 
> contraction as well as accommodate movement in the structure while 
> normally loaded as well as those occasional abnormal loads (grounding).
> 
> This installation has been in use since the early 1960's with great success. 
> One of the great advantages of this installation is that tightening the 
> keel bolts will not promote water intrusion.
> 
> We use a two-part THIOKOL adhesive sealant between the keel to hull 
> joint which creates a permanent gasket. As you know, gaskets 
> are used elsewhere on your boat such as on the engine water pump.
> 
> Tightening the bolts on gasketed seals does not promote leaks as long 
> as the bolts are evenly torqued.
> 
> Keel bolts should be torqued to the following specifications:
> 1" bolts should be maintained at 350 ft/lbs
> 3/4" bolts at 250 ft/lbs and 
> 1/2" bolts at 180 ft lbs.
> 
> Tartan no longer covers up the keel to hull joint with glass tape for 
> cosmetic 
> purposes. For the last several years we have been leaving the seam 
> exposed and faired with a THIOKOL bead to eliminate the maintenance 
> issues with glass tape. Some other manufacturers install their 
> keels with an epoxy joint. We don't find this to be reliable since 
> the lead will expand and contract at a different rate than the 
> fiberglass. If the bolts become loose the joint will fail and there is no 
> chance of tightening up the bolts to eliminate a leak. A sudden 
> impact can also jar the joint enough to break the bond.
> 
> There you have it. I hope I answered all the keel joint questions.
> George GuldenTartan 
> Yachts
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:58 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I am using these numbers:
>> 
>> http://cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/torquebolts/torquebolts.htm
>> 
>> Are they wrong?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>> 
>> Kent Island MD USA
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Wyatt via CnC-List  
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:52 AM
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Wyatt 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That’s too much torque? I’ve seen C specs based on nut size, and for my 
>> 36-1 it was around 150 ft-lb
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are still 
>> sore!
>> 
>> FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150 
>> pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.
>> 
>> If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>> 
>> Kent Island MD USA
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Josh via CnC-List  
>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Josh 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You can come borrow my torque multiplier. 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc 
>> 
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C 37+ 
>> Solomons, MD
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List :
>> 
>> Those sizes are correct – thanks!
>> 
>> I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just 
>> ordered this thing, so I can set them exactly:
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>> 
>> Kent Island MD USA
>> 
>> From: Thomas Delaney via CnC-List  
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Thomas Delaney 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Tom

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Nope.
I can recall torquing on my 39, I have a 3/4" torque wrench with a 4 foot
extension - I would have to put my left foot on the top of the socket
extension, and my other foot on the bulkhead while pulling on the 4 foot
extension, and that was hard. I eventually put Tef-Gel on the threads which
allows you to use a little less torque. Stainless LOVES to gall on itself,
and once a nut starts to lock up, you are screwed!  No Pun intended.
This comment below is from the Tartan site.

Bill Coleman

Keelbolt Torque 6/21/02

Good morning [all]. It appears the [folks here] have been busy coming up
with
questions regarding our keel installations which have been surfacing
ever since I've been monitoring the list. I hope the following will answer
some of your questions:

Tartan uses a "Live" joint to mate the keel to the hull.

A live joint is a joint that is able to flex during thermal expansion and
contraction as well as accommodate movement in the structure while
normally loaded as well as those occasional abnormal loads (grounding).

This installation has been in use since the early 1960's with great
success.
One of the great advantages of this installation is that tightening the
keel bolts will not promote water intrusion.

We use a two-part THIOKOL adhesive sealant between the keel to hull
joint which creates a permanent gasket. As you know, gaskets
are used elsewhere on your boat such as on the engine water pump.

Tightening the bolts on gasketed seals does not promote leaks as long
as the bolts are evenly torqued.

Keel bolts should be torqued to the following specifications:
1" bolts should be maintained at 350 ft/lbs
3/4" bolts at 250 ft/lbs and
1/2" bolts at 180 ft lbs.

Tartan no longer covers up the keel to hull joint with glass tape for
cosmetic
purposes. For the last several years we have been leaving the seam
exposed and faired with a THIOKOL bead to eliminate the maintenance
issues with glass tape. Some other manufacturers install their
keels with an epoxy joint. We don't find this to be reliable since
the lead will expand and contract at a different rate than the
fiberglass. If the bolts become loose the joint will fail and there is no
chance of tightening up the bolts to eliminate a leak. A sudden
impact can also jar the joint enough to break the bond.

There you have it. I hope I answered all the keel joint questions.
George GuldenTartan
Yachts


On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:58 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am using these numbers:
>
> http://cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/torquebolts/torquebolts.htm
>
> Are they wrong?
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Wyatt via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:52 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com; Wyatt 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
>
>
> That’s too much torque? I’ve seen C specs based on nut size, and for my
> 36-1 it was around 150 ft-lb
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are
> still sore!
>
> FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150
> pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.
>
> If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Josh 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
>
>
> You can come borrow my torque multiplier.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List :
>
> Those sizes are correct – thanks!
>
> I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just
> ordered this thing, so I can set them exactly:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
> *From:* Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com; Thomas Delaney 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom
>
>

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Sounds eerily familiar.

 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 11:16 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

Yea when I torqued the keel bolts on my 35mkII I used a 4 ft extension on the 
drive knowing I could pull about 100 pounds so i figured about 350-400 lbft of 
torque. Trickiest part was finding space to get one click on the 3/4 inch drive 
ratchet. I used an extension from the socket down in the bilge to the ratchet 
about 2 feet long to get above the settees and that worked to get 1 click with 
the 4 ft extension on the drive. A wobbly setup but I got the job done complete 
with new bedding and 3/8 inch stainless steel backing plates below the nuts. 
Then I did the famous C smile repair from the outside and solved that ugly 
issue.  

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Yea when I torqued the keel bolts on my 35mkII I used a 4 ft extension on
the drive knowing I could pull about 100 pounds so i figured about 350-400
lbft of torque. Trickiest part was finding space to get one click on the
3/4 inch drive ratchet. I used an extension from the socket down in the
bilge to the ratchet about 2 feet long to get above the settees and that
worked to get 1 click with the 4 ft extension on the drive. A wobbly setup
but I got the job done complete with new bedding and 3/8 inch stainless
steel backing plates below the nuts. Then I did the famous C smile repair
from the outside and solved that ugly issue.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are
> still sore!
>
> FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150
> pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.
>
> If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Josh 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
>
>
> You can come borrow my torque multiplier.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List :
>
> Those sizes are correct – thanks!
>
> I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just
> ordered this thing, so I can set them exactly:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
> *From:* Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com; Thomas Delaney 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom
>
> --
Sent from Gmail Mobile

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I am using these numbers:

http://cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/torquebolts/torquebolts.htm

Are they wrong?

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Wyatt via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:52 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Wyatt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

That’s too much torque? I’ve seen C specs based on nut size, and for my 36-1 
it was around 150 ft-lb

 

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are still 
sore!

FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150 
pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.

If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

From: Josh via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Josh mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

You can come borrow my torque multiplier. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 

 

Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >:

Those sizes are correct – thanks!

I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just ordered 
this thing, so I can set them exactly:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1 

 =ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

From: Thomas Delaney via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com  ; Thomas Delaney 
mailto:tomcdela...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

Hi Joe,

I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.

Best,

Tom

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Wyatt via CnC-List]

Sorry for double email…but the boat needs to be on the hard as well so keel
is supported…

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:51 AM Wyatt  wrote:

> That’s too much torque? I’ve seen C specs based on nut size, and for my
> 36-1 it was around 150 ft-lb
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are
>> still sore!
>>
>> FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150
>> pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.
>>
>> If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Josh 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> You can come borrow my torque multiplier.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List > >:
>>
>> Those sizes are correct – thanks!
>>
>> I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just
>> ordered this thing, so I can set them exactly:
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>
>> Kent Island MD USA
>>
>> *From:* Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com; Thomas Delaney 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Wyatt via CnC-List]

That’s too much torque? I’ve seen C specs based on nut size, and for my
36-1 it was around 150 ft-lb

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:46 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are
> still sore!
>
> FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150
> pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.
>
> If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Josh 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
>
>
> You can come borrow my torque multiplier.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List :
>
> Those sizes are correct – thanks!
>
> I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just
> ordered this thing, so I can set them exactly:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1=ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
> *From:* Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com; Thomas Delaney 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom
>
>

Stus-List Re: It's a jungle down here

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 So, are the weed edible?...anything in there you can "market"???
All we ever get on the river is drift wood
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm
Subject: Stus-List It's a jungle down here

Touche's slip is on Bayou Castine on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain.  
Fairly tropical most of the year.
Monday I went for a nice sail on the lake.  Well, nice if you don't count the 
biting flies and love bugs.  If you don't know about love bugs, Google them.  
They're disgusting creatures whose only natural enemies are Kenworths and 
Peterbilts.  They occur in spring and late summer.
Just out of my slip I saw a 5-7 foot alligator then another about 8-9 feet.  
The bayou has developed a prolific growth of water weeds.  As I came to a tight 
spot in the bayou, the weeds forced Touche' and a Catalina 34 to pass close 
aboard in a narrow section of the bayou.
When I returned to the slip, the weather was deteriorating and I wanted to get 
Touche' tied up before the storm hit.  Oh, crap!  A large island of weeds had 
drifted across the entrance to Touche's slip.  I tried to back up to it, grab 
it with a boat hook and move it out of the way.  No luck.  The storm was 
approaching fast so I just powered into the slip bow first pushing the weeds in 
with me.  The island of weeds wrapped around the bow and keel.  I normally back 
in.  The dock lines worked and Touche' was safely tied up when the storm hit.  
It was raining hard and I was reluctant to get wet to retrieve the shore power 
cord to fire up the air conditioning.  All that was missing was for The Rock to 
show up in his Jungle Cruise costume.
During the storm, I sweated and pondered how to clear the weeds.  Fortunately, 
the storm killed any wind.  I backed out of the slip, motored around to the far 
side of my pier, tied Touche's stern to the pier and used the propwash to blow 
the weeds out of the slip and into the bayou.  I could then pull back around 
the pier and back into the slip normally.  
The harbormaster said he'd contacted Wildlife and Fisheries to come spray the 
weeds.  Estimated 2-3 weeks.  What joy!
Here's pictures:  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qIsKMu82fMUa_zSF_QhDqLjBycwYQCx2?usp=sharing

The one titled "Weeds blown out" shows using the propwash to clear the slip.-- 
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA

Stus-List Re: It's a jungle down here

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

All you need is a gator or two in there for the complete effect. 

Joe

 

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: It's a jungle down here

 

geeze!  when you described "weeds"  I never expected that!  Jurassic world
for sure!

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: CnClist mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List It's a jungle down here
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 20:15:27 -0500

Touche's slip is on Bayou Castine on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain.
Fairly tropical most of the year. 

 

Monday I went for a nice sail on the lake.  Well, nice if you don't count
the biting flies and love bugs.  If you don't know about love bugs, Google
them.  They're disgusting creatures whose only natural enemies are Kenworths
and Peterbilts.  They occur in spring and late summer.

 

Just out of my slip I saw a 5-7 foot alligator then another about 8-9 feet.


 

The bayou has developed a prolific growth of water weeds.  As I came to a
tight spot in the bayou, the weeds forced Touche' and a Catalina 34 to pass
close aboard in a narrow section of the bayou.

 

When I returned to the slip, the weather was deteriorating and I wanted to
get Touche' tied up before the storm hit.  Oh, crap!  A large island of
weeds had drifted across the entrance to Touche's slip.  I tried to back up
to it, grab it with a boat hook and move it out of the way.  No luck.  The
storm was approaching fast so I just powered into the slip bow first pushing
the weeds in with me.  The island of weeds wrapped around the bow and keel.
I normally back in.  The dock lines worked and Touche' was safely tied up
when the storm hit.  It was raining hard and I was reluctant to get wet to
retrieve the shore power cord to fire up the air conditioning.  All that was
missing was for The Rock to show up in his Jungle Cruise costume.

 

During the storm, I sweated and pondered how to clear the weeds.
Fortunately, the storm killed any wind.  I backed out of the slip, motored
around to the far side of my pier, tied Touche's stern to the pier and used
the propwash to blow the weeds out of the slip and into the bayou.  I could
then pull back around the pier and back into the slip normally.  

 

The harbormaster said he'd contacted Wildlife and Fisheries to come spray
the weeds.  Estimated 2-3 weeks.  What joy!

 

Here's pictures:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qIsKMu82fMUa_zSF_QhDqLjBycwYQCx2?usp
=sharing


 

The one titled "Weeds blown out" shows using the propwash to clear the slip.

-- 

Dennis C. 

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I should have driven down and got it. 350 pounds is a LOT. My arms are still 
sore!

FYI – what you think is really tight with a normal extension is about 150 
pounds, not 350. I have about 4 feet total to get to 350.

If anyone needs to borrow the torque meter let me know.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

From: Josh via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 4:18 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

 

You can come borrow my torque multiplier. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6B0IPKQERc 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 

 

Sep 5, 2022 14:09:28 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >:

Those sizes are correct – thanks!

I don’t have a torque wrench that big, so I have them “tight”. I just ordered 
this thing, so I can set them exactly:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GLITFW?psc=1 

 =ATVPDKIKX0DER_=chk_typ_imgToDp

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

From: Thomas Delaney via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com  ; Thomas Delaney 
mailto:tomcdela...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I Keel Bolts

Hi Joe,

I believe it is 1 1/8" for the front-most nut and 1 1/2" for the rest.

Best,

Tom

Stus-List Re: It's a jungle down here

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

geeze!  when you described "weeds"  I never expected that!  Jurassic world for 
sure!

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
To: CnClist 
Cc: "Dennis C." 
Subject: Stus-List It's a jungle down here
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 20:15:27 -0500


Touche's slip is on Bayou Castine on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain.  
Fairly tropical most of the year. Monday I went for a nice sail on the lake.  
Well, nice if you don't count the biting flies and love bugs.  If you don't 
know about love bugs, Google them.  They're disgusting creatures whose only 
natural enemies are Kenworths and Peterbilts.  They occur in spring and late 
summer. Just out of my slip I saw a 5-7 foot alligator then another about 8-9 
feet.   The bayou has developed a prolific growth of water weeds.  As I came to 
a tight spot in the bayou, the weeds forced Touche' and a Catalina 34 to pass 
close aboard in a narrow section of the bayou. When I returned to the slip, the 
weather was deteriorating and I wanted to get Touche' tied up before the storm 
hit.  Oh, crap!  A large island of weeds had drifted across the entrance to 
Touche's slip.  I tried to back up to it, grab it with a boat hook and move it 
out of the way.  No luck.  The storm was approaching fast so I just powered 
into the slip bow first pushing the weeds in with me.  The island of weeds 
wrapped around the bow and keel.  I normally back in.  The dock lines worked 
and Touche' was safely tied up when the storm hit.  It was raining hard and I 
was reluctant to get wet to retrieve the shore power cord to fire up the air 
conditioning.  All that was missing was for The Rock to show up in his Jungle 
Cruise costume. During the storm, I sweated and pondered how to clear the 
weeds.  Fortunately, the storm killed any wind.  I backed out of the slip, 
motored around to the far side of my pier, tied Touche's stern to the pier and 
used the propwash to blow the weeds out of the slip and into the bayou.  I 
could then pull back around the pier and back into the slip normally.   The 
harbormaster said he'd contacted Wildlife and Fisheries to come spray the 
weeds.  Estimated 2-3 weeks.  What joy! Here's pictures:  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qIsKMu82fMUa_zSF_QhDqLjBycwYQCx2?usp=sharing
 The one titled "Weeds blown out" shows using the propwash to clear the slip.-- 
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA

Stus-List Re: Partially furling the genoa when racing

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I don't normally have any headsails aboard but my furling genoa. Like most 
cruising boats, it gets used rolled all the way out, hardly any of it out, and 
everything in between.
The boat is obviously faster with the racing sails that don't have a big round 
obstacle as a luff assuming I have the crew to use them, but if I were to race 
with the furling genoa it never occurred to me that I wouldn't roll it in or 
out as needed.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina

Stus-List Re: It's a jungle down here - now clam cleats for jibsheets

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Andrew,

Those clam cleats were on Touche' when I bought it.  Touche' was raced
extensively in the 70's.  Those were installed by one of the previous
owners. I wasn't particularly excited about them at first but now I like
them.  My trimmers like them.  They're great for singlehanded sailing.

The only issue with them is occasionally a line will inadvertently cleat
itself in one.  Usually quickly cleared but something to be aware of.  With
enough wraps on the winch drum, there shouldn't be much load on the tail of
a jibsheet.

Link to the picture:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_fTTdANponzoKzFcw-yeZauTG2L83l-D/view?usp=sharing

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 9:33 PM andrew macLean  wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> I’ve been thinking lately a lot about switching to self-tailing winches. I
> wonder about undoing a horn cleat under load. How do you like those big
> clam cleats off your primaries? Looks like a really good solution.
>
> Andrew
> C 30 mk1
> Gulf Islands, BC
> Canada
>
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 18:16, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Here's pictures:
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qIsKMu82fMUa_zSF_QhDqLjBycwYQCx2?usp=sharing
>
> The one titled "Weeds blown out" shows using the propwash to clear the
> slip.
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>