Re: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD
I would use the same thing I use for storing my mast in the winter, a 6 X 6 Pressure treated post which (now) supports the bulk of the mast and is high enough to the ends clear both the pulpits. I have 1 ½ plywood bolted onto the top with a cutout for the mast. If I was traveling with this, I would want it at least a few feet higher than this to get the clutter out of the way, then using some type of braces in the ends. At least this way, if you get some rough water or snag it on something, (very possible) it is supported more securely. A friend here took his Hinckley 42 south, and bought a couple really big blocks of Styrofoam and strapped the spar on top of them. I have been looking for the pictures of this, and cant find them. Stop by the EYC when you come through Lake Erie Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack McCall via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD Hello, My name is Jack McCall and I just purchased POP'AYE a C C 41 with shoal draft keel and centerboard. The boat is currently on its cradle at Gregory's Marina, Detroit, Michigan. Next week I will fly up to Detroit and with my five man crew we plan to sail the boat down to Venice, Florida where I currently live. We plan to cross Lake Erie and take the Erie Canal to the Hudson river. Sail down the Hudson River out New York Harbor and then down the East Coast to Norfolk, VA where we will enter the ICW (Inter-Coastal-Waterway) which we will follow all the way to South Florida. Next will be outside down to Key West and then around and up the West Coast of Florida to her new dock in Venice, Florida. Has anyone out there made this trip in a C C ??? I can use all the advice and tips anyone might offer. Experience with laying the mast down and securing it on deck for the transit of the Erie Canal is our first challenge. There are several marinas at both ends of the canal which have jib cranes to assist in the take down and stand up but I could use some advice as to the type of stands we should make to carry the mast on deck. Any advice as to retuning the rig when we stand it back up would be appreciated. I cannot find any tuning specifications and/or tips for the C C 41. I have acquired several cruising guides for the ICW but first had knowledge is always the best. Plan to be in the water by May 15 and then off to Florida by May 19. I will try to post some reports as our trip progresses. Aye for now, Jack McCall ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD
If you have a furler and it extends beyond the foot of the mast (it probably will not if you are keel stepped), take a length of a 2x3 or 2x4 (depending on the mast), stick it in to the mast foot and use it to support the furler drum. You don't want it to dangle on its foil (or be the first one to hit the wall). Another thought - you want the mast to be as high over the cockpit as reasonable - you will be moving around there a lot. And try clearing the mess of the shrouds and other rigging off the deck. One more - one way of securing the mast down on the deck is to use the tie-down straps (the ratchet type). You can buy a bunch of them at low cost in any automotive store (and they are red (or other bright colour) so you won't be tripping over them that easily). Marek (in Ottawa) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD
Jack: You’ll make much, much better time staying outside once you reach Florida. Especially from the Treasure Coast on south, there are endless drawbridges. As a longtime East Coast of Florida sailor, I’ve never understood the attraction of motoring down the ICW. As long as you stay inside during major fronts, you won’t have any problems on the outside. With a crew of five, you should eat up 150 miles a day easy sailing/motoring in the ocean as opposed to maybe 50 on the inside. As the Gulfstream gets closer to shore, say West Palm, stay in about 40 or 50 feet of water to avoid the northbound current. Avoid the smaller inlets; they’re treacherous. You want to use the same ports as the big ships. Prevailing winds are east/southeast with occasional souths. On a normal day, beating or motorsailing into the wind is not a problem along the coast. Also, I don’t know what your air draft is, but I suspect it is substantial. Sixty-five feet is the max for fixed bridges on the ICW, and there are a couple of 55-footers, including one close to downtown Miami. Your five-foot draft should make it through most of the Intracoastal in Florida, although that might not be the case in Georgia and some points north, according to accounts I’ve read. With a 5-foot draft, you should at least think about cutting the corner by picking up the Yacht Channel at Marathon and going 45 miles across Florida Bay as opposed to a couple of hundred miles to Key West and back. Hawk’s Channel on the Atlantic side is the safe way to go in the Keys with a big boat, but it’s difficult to sail at night due to all of the coral reefs. Your draft will work on the Intracoastal (Gulf side) in the Keys at least as far as Marathon, as long as you accept the possibility of a soft grounding in random spots where shoaling has happened. (Buy a Towboat US card.) Gulf side has many more anchorages and tiki bars, big pluses in my book. Sounds like a fun trip. Good luck. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Jack McCall via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C,SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD Hello, My name is Jack McCall and I just purchased POP'AYE a C C 41 with shoal draft keel and centerboard. The boat is currently on its cradle at Gregory's Marina, Detroit, Michigan. Next week I will fly up to Detroit and with my five man crew we plan to sail the boat down to Venice, Florida where I currently live. We plan to cross Lake Erie and take the Erie Canal to the Hudson river. Sail down the Hudson River out New York Harbor and then down the East Coast to Norfolk, VA where we will enter the ICW (Inter-Coastal-Waterway) which we will follow all the way to South Florida. Next will be outside down to Key West and then around and up the West Coast of Florida to her new dock in Venice, Florida. Has anyone out there made this trip in a C C ??? I can use all the advice and tips anyone might offer. Experience with laying the mast down and securing it on deck for the transit of the Erie Canal is our first challenge. There are several marinas at both ends of the canal which have jib cranes to assist in the take down and stand up but I could use some advice as to the type of stands we should make to carry the mast on deck. Any advice as to retuning the rig when we stand it back up would be appreciated. I cannot find any tuning specifications and/or tips for the C C 41. I have acquired several cruising guides for the ICW but first had knowledge is always the best. Plan to be in the water by May 15 and then off to Florida by May 19. I will try to post some reports as our trip progresses. Aye for now, Jack McCall ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD
I have not done this trip in a CC, but I have gone the other direction in another type of boat. Sad to say, but you can make much better time down the ICW to Florida with the mast down ☹ Tons and tons of drawbridges. If you make it as far as Annapolis rig-down we certainly have good rigging shops that have seen CC 41s before. I wouldn’t try to get around Cape Hatteras against the Gulf Stream myself, but you can save a lot of bridges, shallows, and S turns by going out at Cape Fear and going coastal the rest of the way. Also note you can go out the Saint Lawrence River and leave the mast up, but it is a longer trip. (can you tell I am not an ICW fan for sailboats? It is Boston Whaler heaven, but between low bridges and shallow water you can do a lot better outside in nice weather) Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack Brennan via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:00 AM To: Jack McCall; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD Jack: You’ll make much, much better time staying outside once you reach Florida. Especially from the Treasure Coast on south, there are endless drawbridges. As a longtime East Coast of Florida sailor, I’ve never understood the attraction of motoring down the ICW. As long as you stay inside during major fronts, you won’t have any problems on the outside. With a crew of five, you should eat up 150 miles a day easy sailing/motoring in the ocean as opposed to maybe 50 on the inside. As the Gulfstream gets closer to shore, say West Palm, stay in about 40 or 50 feet of water to avoid the northbound current. Avoid the smaller inlets; they’re treacherous. You want to use the same ports as the big ships. Prevailing winds are east/southeast with occasional souths. On a normal day, beating or motorsailing into the wind is not a problem along the coast. Also, I don’t know what your air draft is, but I suspect it is substantial. Sixty-five feet is the max for fixed bridges on the ICW, and there are a couple of 55-footers, including one close to downtown Miami. Your five-foot draft should make it through most of the Intracoastal in Florida, although that might not be the case in Georgia and some points north, according to accounts I’ve read. With a 5-foot draft, you should at least think about cutting the corner by picking up the Yacht Channel at Marathon and going 45 miles across Florida Bay as opposed to a couple of hundred miles to Key West and back. Hawk’s Channel on the Atlantic side is the safe way to go in the Keys with a big boat, but it’s difficult to sail at night due to all of the coral reefs. Your draft will work on the Intracoastal (Gulf side) in the Keys at least as far as Marathon, as long as you accept the possibility of a soft grounding in random spots where shoaling has happened. (Buy a Towboat US card.) Gulf side has many more anchorages and tiki bars, big pluses in my book. Sounds like a fun trip. Good luck. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Jack McCall via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C,SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD Hello, My name is Jack McCall and I just purchased POP'AYE a C C 41 with shoal draft keel and centerboard. The boat is currently on its cradle at Gregory's Marina, Detroit, Michigan. Next week I will fly up to Detroit and with my five man crew we plan to sail the boat down to Venice, Florida where I currently live. We plan to cross Lake Erie and take the Erie Canal to the Hudson river. Sail down the Hudson River out New York Harbor and then down the East Coast to Norfolk, VA where we will enter the ICW (Inter-Coastal-Waterway) which we will follow all the way to South Florida. Next will be outside down to Key West and then around and up the West Coast of Florida to her new dock in Venice, Florida. Has anyone out there made this trip in a C C ??? I can use all the advice and tips anyone might offer. Experience with laying the mast down and securing it on deck for the transit of the Erie Canal is our first challenge. There are several marinas at both ends of the canal which have jib cranes to assist in the take down and stand up but I could use some advice as to the type of stands we should make to carry the mast on deck. Any advice as to retuning the rig when we stand it back up would be appreciated. I cannot find any tuning specifications and/or tips for the C C 41. I have acquired several cruising guides for the ICW but first had knowledge is always the best. Plan to be in the water by May 15 and then off to Florida by May 19. I will try to post some reports as our trip progresses. Aye for now, Jack McCall
Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD
Hello, My name is Jack McCall and I just purchased POP'AYE a C C 41 with shoal draft keel and centerboard. The boat is currently on its cradle at Gregory's Marina, Detroit, Michigan. Next week I will fly up to Detroit and with my five man crew we plan to sail the boat down to Venice, Florida where I currently live. We plan to cross Lake Erie and take the Erie Canal to the Hudson river. Sail down the Hudson River out New York Harbor and then down the East Coast to Norfolk, VA where we will enter the ICW (Inter-Coastal-Waterway) which we will follow all the way to South Florida. Next will be outside down to Key West and then around and up the West Coast of Florida to her new dock in Venice, Florida. Has anyone out there made this trip in a C C ??? I can use all the advice and tips anyone might offer. Experience with laying the mast down and securing it on deck for the transit of the Erie Canal is our first challenge. There are several marinas at both ends of the canal which have jib cranes to assist in the take down and stand up but I could use some advice as to the type of stands we should make to carry the mast on deck. Any advice as to retuning the rig when we stand it back up would be appreciated. I cannot find any tuning specifications and/or tips for the C C 41. I have acquired several cruising guides for the ICW but first had knowledge is always the best. Plan to be in the water by May 15 and then off to Florida by May 19. I will try to post some reports as our trip progresses. Aye for now, Jack McCall ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD
Jack, Congrats and welcome to the list! You'll get more advice but the most important is to have the fuel tank thoroughly cleaned and carry lots of spare fuel filter elements. Unless you are familiar with the boat and its last few years of life, assume there is lots of sediment in the tank that will get stirred up with waves, heeling and motion. I don't trust polishing the fuel. My preference would be to have the tank removed, cleaned and re-installed or even replaced if it is a standard tank. Heard too many stories about bad fuel on first deliveries. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Jack McCall via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hello, My name is Jack McCall and I just purchased POP'AYE a C C 41 with shoal draft keel and centerboard. The boat is currently on its cradle at Gregory's Marina, Detroit, Michigan. Next week I will fly up to Detroit and with my five man crew we plan to sail the boat down to Venice, Florida where I currently live. We plan to cross Lake Erie and take the Erie Canal to the Hudson river. Sail down the Hudson River out New York Harbor and then down the East Coast to Norfolk, VA where we will enter the ICW (Inter-Coastal-Waterway) which we will follow all the way to South Florida. Next will be outside down to Key West and then around and up the West Coast of Florida to her new dock in Venice, Florida. Has anyone out there made this trip in a C C ??? I can use all the advice and tips anyone might offer. Experience with laying the mast down and securing it on deck for the transit of the Erie Canal is our first challenge. There are several marinas at both ends of the canal which have jib cranes to assist in the take down and stand up but I could use some advice as to the type of stands we should make to carry the mast on deck. Any advice as to retuning the rig when we stand it back up would be appreciated. I cannot find any tuning specifications and/or tips for the C C 41. I have acquired several cruising guides for the ICW but first had knowledge is always the best. Plan to be in the water by May 15 and then off to Florida by May 19. I will try to post some reports as our trip progresses. Aye for now, Jack McCall ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List NEW OWNER OF POP'AYE, 41 FT C C, SHOAL DRAFT WTIH CENTERBOARD
Jack: I have twice taken my 35-1 both ways in the Erie Canal. I entered the Erie in Oswego. You can enter it at Buffalo to avoid the Welland Canal. The canal will be an easy ride going down. There is a charge and you may take a day getting through. On the other hand you will likely save time by going through the canal and sailing straight to Oswego. The marina will drop your mast onto whatever support you have made. In Oswego there is a supply of wood from others from which you can scavenge wood. Take an electric drill with a bit and a box of 3 square hole deck screws and a hand saw. Put a 2x6, maybe two, from the keel step up through the mast collar brace it so it does not move in the collar. This vertical post will carry much of the weigh of the mast. At the bow make an X with 2x4s. The bottom end can go on the toe rail. Put a vertical 2x6 from the middle of the x to the deck/bow chain plate fitting. Lash the structure to the pulpit or toe rail to prevent for and aft motion. The stern may also work with an X configuration. In contrast, I used two vertical posts affixed on either side, with the bottom end on the tow rail and lashed to the stern pulpit Across these put two 2x6s horizontally to create a span on which will rest the mast. You may want another vertical 2x6 to carry the load from the middle of the span to the cockpit.I used the span because I need room to helm the boat. You may not need it. Add braces where needed. Remember the goal of the structure is to be able to withstand horizontal shocks if the mast hits a wall, or the boat gets rolling around because of a power boat wake in Oneida Lake. Get everything (antenna, etc.) off the mast head. Both ends of the mast can be in contact with the walls of the lock . If you want I can send you pics. Take two 2x4s about eight feet long to use to fend of the lock walls in the lock. Wear leather working gloves. Use a 2x6 to make fender boards for going through the locks. Have a handheld VHF, or hook up your antenna, so you can contact the lock master. You can tie up at the lock overnight. The marinas at Catskills will lift your mast. I think Hop O Nose is the one you will need. I used a smaller one but my mast was smaller. Contact the lock folks to ensure the lock will be running. It was closed last year for a few periods because of construction. Buy Skipper Bob's book to learn of anchoring options in the Hudson and all the way down the ICW. In New York don't go to the 79 street marina - too wavy. You can anchor behind the statue of Liberty. Or go to Sheep's head Bay in Brooklyn where you can anchor or use a ball at one of the yacht clubs. Here you can get the subway to NYC if you want to. You can make time by sailing on the ocean rather than going through the ICW. But watch out for the weather. Frankly I enjoyed the ICW. You can save time by avoiding Georgia- go from Charleston to Fernandina Beach on the ocean. Hope this helps. Don ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
