Re: Stus-List Winchrite
I saw a video once where a guy was using a cordless dewalt right angle drill as a winch rite. looked really cool! My new boat came with an electric winch on the coach roof! The PO said if you do it right you can do almost any line with it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard <jfriv...@us.ibm.com> Subject: Stus-List Winchrite Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:17:43 -0400 I agree with Chuck on the 'Self tacking" I read about that somewhere and we've been doing it on the 2nd half of the racing season. Our technique is slightly different but it's the same idea: 1- You start tacking without releasing the genoa. It will 'Catch" on the opposite tack and spin the boat in a jiff. 2- As soon as the boat has turned about 25-30 degrees let the lazy sheet go and grab the new sheet / pull it in (by hand) as fast as you can. (Slowing down the turn with the wheel is a good idea, if you keep the wheel set for a tack the boat will "Over-tack") 3- If you do it right (It's all timing) you'll need about 2 turns on the winch to finish trimming. We actually counted the handle turns to demonstrate the benefits of "staying ahead of task" as a little life lesson to my daughter during a race a couple weekends ago .. Works particularly well in light to moderate winds (Less than 15) it still helps a bunch in higher winds. That being said that Winchrite thing looks real good :-) I think $650.00 is a reasonable price (If it works well) compared to several 1000.00's for electric winches. I'd love to try one. My shoulders get do get sore when we race in high winds... -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA Subject: Re: Stus-List Winchrite Message-ID: <106579653.15511599.1444097037608.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Have you priced electric winches? You may need dedicated batteries for those, too? Self tailers are less money. Not sure about winch rites? Smaller jib for shorthanded sailing may be wiser. Also, try to head upwind more during a tack to get the sail sheeted in without the winch handle. Remove any slack in lazy sheet before tacking and put two turns on the winch. Set the mainsheet and traveller close to center to help the turn. Put the autohelm on Standby and let the boat tack itself. Let the wheel ease into the turn slowly, hold the release till the wind is 1/3 up the genoa, release and start pulling the new sheet. Once the genoa clew is past the shrouds, try and slow the turn with a nudge of the wheel, so the sail is inside the lifelines and you can get 95% of the sheet in, without the handle, fall off to the right course, set autohelm, trim the last bit of sheet. Takes practice, but can be a lot of fun. Our boats turn so easily, you can handle them like a dinghy. If you go in irons and find you are going backward, remember to "Reverse the Rudder" to get pointed in the right direction. Don't let the rudder turn to the stop. One or two spokes off center is all that you need to turn the boat and get back on course. Chuck Resolute 1990 C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Winchrite
I agree with Chuck on the 'Self tacking" I read about that somewhere and we've been doing it on the 2nd half of the racing season. Our technique is slightly different but it's the same idea: 1- You start tacking without releasing the genoa. It will 'Catch" on the opposite tack and spin the boat in a jiff. 2- As soon as the boat has turned about 25-30 degrees let the lazy sheet go and grab the new sheet / pull it in (by hand) as fast as you can. (Slowing down the turn with the wheel is a good idea, if you keep the wheel set for a tack the boat will "Over-tack") 3- If you do it right (It's all timing) you'll need about 2 turns on the winch to finish trimming. We actually counted the handle turns to demonstrate the benefits of "staying ahead of task" as a little life lesson to my daughter during a race a couple weekends ago .. Works particularly well in light to moderate winds (Less than 15) it still helps a bunch in higher winds. That being said that Winchrite thing looks real good :-) I think $650.00 is a reasonable price (If it works well) compared to several 1000.00's for electric winches. I'd love to try one. My shoulders get do get sore when we race in high winds... -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA Subject: Re: Stus-List Winchrite Message-ID: <106579653.15511599.1444097037608.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Have you priced electric winches? You may need dedicated batteries for those, too? Self tailers are less money. Not sure about winch rites? Smaller jib for shorthanded sailing may be wiser. Also, try to head upwind more during a tack to get the sail sheeted in without the winch handle. Remove any slack in lazy sheet before tacking and put two turns on the winch. Set the mainsheet and traveller close to center to help the turn. Put the autohelm on Standby and let the boat tack itself. Let the wheel ease into the turn slowly, hold the release till the wind is 1/3 up the genoa, release and start pulling the new sheet. Once the genoa clew is past the shrouds, try and slow the turn with a nudge of the wheel, so the sail is inside the lifelines and you can get 95% of the sheet in, without the handle, fall off to the right course, set autohelm, trim the last bit of sheet. Takes practice, but can be a lot of fun. Our boats turn so easily, you can handle them like a dinghy. If you go in irons and find you are going backward, remember to "Reverse the Rudder" to get pointed in the right direction. Don't let the rudder turn to the stop. One or two spokes off center is all that you need to turn the boat and get back on course. Chuck Resolute 1990 C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winchrite vs winch bit
Ok so you can get the recommended miwalkee cordless drill doe under $300 and the bit for $50. so for almost 1/2 the price you can do the same thing... Seems like a really good alternative Danny -- Original Message -- From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winchrite Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:19:55 GMT I saw a video once where a guy was using a cordless dewalt right angle drill as a winch rite. looked really cool! My new boat came with an electric winch on the coach roof! The PO said if you do it right you can do almost any line with it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard <jfriv...@us.ibm.com> Subject: Stus-List Winchrite Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:17:43 -0400 I agree with Chuck on the 'Self tacking" I read about that somewhere and we've been doing it on the 2nd half of the racing season. Our technique is slightly different but it's the same idea: 1- You start tacking without releasing the genoa. It will 'Catch" on the opposite tack and spin the boat in a jiff. 2- As soon as the boat has turned about 25-30 degrees let the lazy sheet go and grab the new sheet / pull it in (by hand) as fast as you can. (Slowing down the turn with the wheel is a good idea, if you keep the wheel set for a tack the boat will "Over-tack") 3- If you do it right (It's all timing) you'll need about 2 turns on the winch to finish trimming. We actually counted the handle turns to demonstrate the benefits of "staying ahead of task" as a little life lesson to my daughter during a race a couple weekends ago .. Works particularly well in light to moderate winds (Less than 15) it still helps a bunch in higher winds. That being said that Winchrite thing looks real good :-) I think $650.00 is a reasonable price (If it works well) compared to several 1000.00's for electric winches. I'd love to try one. My shoulders get do get sore when we race in high winds... -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA Subject: Re: Stus-List Winchrite Message-ID: <106579653.15511599.1444097037608.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Have you priced electric winches? You may need dedicated batteries for those, too? Self tailers are less money. Not sure about winch rites? Smaller jib for shorthanded sailing may be wiser. Also, try to head upwind more during a tack to get the sail sheeted in without the winch handle. Remove any slack in lazy sheet before tacking and put two turns on the winch. Set the mainsheet and traveller close to center to help the turn. Put the autohelm on Standby and let the boat tack itself. Let the wheel ease into the turn slowly, hold the release till the wind is 1/3 up the genoa, release and start pulling the new sheet. Once the genoa clew is past the shrouds, try and slow the turn with a nudge of the wheel, so the sail is inside the lifelines and you can get 95% of the sheet in, without the handle, fall off to the right course, set autohelm, trim the last bit of sheet. Takes practice, but can be a lot of fun. Our boats turn so easily, you can handle them like a dinghy. If you go in irons and find you are going backward, remember to "Reverse the Rudder" to get pointed in the right direction. Don't let the rudder turn to the stop. One or two spokes off center is all that you need to turn the boat and get back on course. Chuck Resolute 1990 C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winchrite vs Winch Bit
Here is the bit. http://www.winchbit.com/ Danny -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard <jfriv...@us.ibm.com> Subject: Stus-List Winchrite Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:17:43 -0400 I agree with Chuck on the 'Self tacking" I read about that somewhere and we've been doing it on the 2nd half of the racing season. Our technique is slightly different but it's the same idea: 1- You start tacking without releasing the genoa. It will 'Catch" on the opposite tack and spin the boat in a jiff. 2- As soon as the boat has turned about 25-30 degrees let the lazy sheet go and grab the new sheet / pull it in (by hand) as fast as you can. (Slowing down the turn with the wheel is a good idea, if you keep the wheel set for a tack the boat will "Over-tack") 3- If you do it right (It's all timing) you'll need about 2 turns on the winch to finish trimming. We actually counted the handle turns to demonstrate the benefits of "staying ahead of task" as a little life lesson to my daughter during a race a couple weekends ago .. Works particularly well in light to moderate winds (Less than 15) it still helps a bunch in higher winds. That being said that Winchrite thing looks real good :-) I think $650.00 is a reasonable price (If it works well) compared to several 1000.00's for electric winches. I'd love to try one. My shoulders get do get sore when we race in high winds... -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA Subject: Re: Stus-List Winchrite Message-ID: <106579653.15511599.1444097037608.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Have you priced electric winches? You may need dedicated batteries for those, too? Self tailers are less money. Not sure about winch rites? Smaller jib for shorthanded sailing may be wiser. Also, try to head upwind more during a tack to get the sail sheeted in without the winch handle. Remove any slack in lazy sheet before tacking and put two turns on the winch. Set the mainsheet and traveller close to center to help the turn. Put the autohelm on Standby and let the boat tack itself. Let the wheel ease into the turn slowly, hold the release till the wind is 1/3 up the genoa, release and start pulling the new sheet. Once the genoa clew is past the shrouds, try and slow the turn with a nudge of the wheel, so the sail is inside the lifelines and you can get 95% of the sheet in, without the handle, fall off to the right course, set autohelm, trim the last bit of sheet. Takes practice, but can be a lot of fun. Our boats turn so easily, you can handle them like a dinghy. If you go in irons and find you are going backward, remember to "Reverse the Rudder" to get pointed in the right direction. Don't let the rudder turn to the stop. One or two spokes off center is all that you need to turn the boat and get back on course. Chuck Resolute 1990 C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winchrite
The difference in the winchrite is that it is designed for marine environments and weights about 4-5 pounds less than a cordless drill and battery. The ability to swap batteries makes the drill appealing. Also, the Winchrite people claim that the design of a low speed and lots of torque is more efficient use of batteries than a cordless drill designed to spin much faster, but you are trying to run it slow. Hard to know in actual use if the 28V batteries on the drill will outperform the Winchrite at low rpm high torque applications. I think the Milwaukee drill and charger and two batteries is going to be almost $600 so not a clear choice in my mind. Dave Aries 1990 C 34+ New London, CT > On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I saw a video once where a guy was using a cordless dewalt right angle drill > as a winch rite. looked really cool! > > My new boat came with an electric winch on the coach roof! The PO said if > you do it right you can do almost any line with it. > > Danny > > -- Original Message -- > From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard <jfriv...@us.ibm.com> > Subject: Stus-List Winchrite > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:17:43 -0400 > > I agree with Chuck on the 'Self tacking" I read about that somewhere and > we've been doing it on the 2nd half of the racing season. Our technique is > slightly different but it's the same idea: > > 1- You start tacking without releasing the genoa. It will 'Catch" on the > opposite tack and spin the boat in a jiff. > 2- As soon as the boat has turned about 25-30 degrees let the lazy sheet go > and grab the new sheet / pull it in (by hand) as fast as you can. (Slowing > down the turn with the wheel is a good idea, if you keep the wheel set for a > tack the boat will "Over-tack") > 3- If you do it right (It's all timing) you'll need about 2 turns on the > winch to finish trimming. We actually counted the handle turns to demonstrate > the benefits of "staying ahead of task" as a little life lesson to my > daughter during a race a couple weekends ago .. > > Works particularly well in light to moderate winds (Less than 15) it still > helps a bunch in higher winds. > > That being said that Winchrite thing looks real good :-) I think $650.00 is > a reasonable price (If it works well) compared to several 1000.00's for > electric winches. I'd love to try one. My shoulders get do get sore when we > race in high winds... > > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, GA > > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Winchrite > Message-ID: > > <106579653.15511599.1444097037608.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Have you priced electric winches? You may need dedicated batteries for those, > too? > Self tailers are less money. Not sure about winch rites? Smaller jib for > shorthanded sailing may be wiser. Also, try to head upwind more during a tack > to get the sail sheeted in without the winch handle. > Remove any slack in lazy sheet before tacking and put two turns on the winch. > Set the mainsheet and traveller close to center to help the turn. Put the > autohelm on Standby and let the boat tack itself. Let the wheel ease into the > turn slowly, hold the release till the wind is 1/3 up the genoa, release and > start pulling the new sheet. Once the genoa clew is past the shrouds, try and > slow the turn with a nudge of the wheel, so the sail is inside the lifelines > and you can get 95% of the sheet in, without the handle, fall off to the > right course, set autohelm, trim the last bit of sheet. Takes practice, but > can be a lot of fun. Our boats turn so easily, you can handle them like a > dinghy. > > If you go in irons and find you are going backward, remember to "Reverse the > Rudder" to get pointed in the right direction. Don't let the rudder turn to > the stop. One or two spokes off center is all that you need to turn the boat > and get back on course. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winchrite
Dave, before you spend money on Winchrite, consider using a cordless drill with an adapter. I bet that there are multiple sources; I found this one as the first on on Goggle: http://www.thecranker.com/. And here: http://www.winchbit.com/. The $40 might be worth a try. No association with either site. There might be a problem of how long your batteries would last. But with the current Lithium batteries you might be OK for a few tacks. Marek From: David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:04 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht Subject: Stus-List Winchrite I have been having progressive problems with elbow pain from cranking winches over the summer. Has anyone tried a Winchrite for genoa winches or perhaps electric winches are in my future? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 C 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Winchrite
I have been having progressive problems with elbow pain from cranking winches over the summer. Has anyone tried a Winchrite for genoa winches or perhaps electric winches are in my future? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 C 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winchrite
Try using your body instead of your arms, when grinding. Stand with one foot on the cockpit seat, and one foot against the rail. Use both hands on the winch handle, and grind away. Depending on where your winch is located, you'll either face forward or aft while grinding, and let someone else call the trim. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR I have been having progressive problems with elbow pain from cranking winches over the summer. Has anyone tried a Winchrite for genoa winches or perhaps electric winches are in my future? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 C 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winchrite
Have you priced electric winches? You may need dedicated batteries for those, too? Self tailers are less money. Not sure about winch rites? Smaller jib for shorthanded sailing may be wiser. Also, try to head upwind more during a tack to get the sail sheeted in without the winch handle. Remove any slack in lazy sheet before tacking and put two turns on the winch. Set the mainsheet and traveller close to center to help the turn. Put the autohelm on Standby and let the boat tack itself. Let the wheel ease into the turn slowly, hold the release till the wind is 1/3 up the genoa, release and start pulling the new sheet. Once the genoa clew is past the shrouds, try and slow the turn with a nudge of the wheel, so the sail is inside the lifelines and you can get 95% of the sheet in, without the handle, fall off to the right course, set autohelm, trim the last bit of sheet. Takes practice, but can be a lot of fun. Our boats turn so easily, you can handle them like a dinghy. If you go in irons and find you are going backward, remember to "Reverse the Rudder" to get pointed in the right direction. Don't let the rudder turn to the stop. One or two spokes off center is all that you need to turn the boat and get back on course. Chuck Resolute 1990 C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "David Knecht via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "CnC CnC discussion list" <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> Cc: "David Knecht" <davidakne...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 2:04:34 PM Subject: Stus-List Winchrite I have been having progressive problems with elbow pain from cranking winches over the summer. Has anyone tried a Winchrite for genoa winches or perhaps electric winches are in my future? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 C 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winchrite
or step into a power boat insted Dwight Veinot C 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Dave, > > before you spend money on Winchrite, consider using a cordless drill with > an adapter. I bet that there are multiple sources; I found this one as the > first on on Goggle: http://www.thecranker.com/. And here: > http://www.winchbit.com/. The $40 might be worth a try. No association > with either site. > > There might be a problem of how long your batteries would last. But with > the current Lithium batteries you might be OK for a few tacks. > > Marek > > *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2015 2:04 PM > *To:* CnC CnC discussion list <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > *Cc:* David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Stus-List Winchrite > > I have been having progressive problems with elbow pain from cranking > winches over the summer. Has anyone tried a Winchrite for genoa winches or > perhaps electric winches are in my future? Thanks- Dave > > Aries > 1990 C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > -- > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winchrite
I suggest that anyone who mentions the P word as a solution to a C problem be removed from the list for a period of a week for the first violation. If that doesn’t teach him to behave with civility, then we send the foredeck cow to chew on his mooring lines. Dave Aries 1990 C 34+ New London, CT > On Oct 5, 2015, at 5:46 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > or step into a power boat insted > > Dwight Veinot > C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > d.ve...@bellaliant.net <mailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net> > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > Dave, > > before you spend money on Winchrite, consider using a cordless drill with an > adapter. I bet that there are multiple sources; I found this one as the first > on on Goggle: http://www.thecranker.com/ <http://www.thecranker.com/>. And > here: http://www.winchbit.com/ <http://www.winchbit.com/>. The $40 might be > worth a try. No association with either site. > > There might be a problem of how long your batteries would last. But with the > current Lithium batteries you might be OK for a few tacks. > > Marek > > From: David Knecht via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:04 PM > To: CnC CnC discussion list <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > Cc: David Knecht <mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Winchrite > > I have been having progressive problems with elbow pain from cranking winches > over the summer. Has anyone tried a Winchrite for genoa winches or perhaps > electric winches are in my future? Thanks- Dave > > Aries > 1990 C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
