Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
Evan, This spline works and, unlike most, is available in an 18 ft role (enough to do the windows on a 25): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F7H9J3E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8=1 I agree with Rick and Dennis, use a good foam weatherstrip. The stuff that South Shore provides with their gasket is junk. A more robust weatherstrip makes it slightly more difficult to install the window, though. If you replace the window itself, be aware that you can sand any high spots on the perimeter of the acrylic to help fit the window to the frame. My local glass company recommended this and I found it worked very well. Mark > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:00:29 -0400 > From: "Rick Brass" > To: > Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) > Message-ID: <001e01d57615$d9db5b00$8d921100$@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My 25 still has the aluminum frame windows. I use the same MD Building > products EPDM weatherstripping cited by Dennis ? bought at Lowes. A box is > about $20, IIRC, and is enough to do 4 portlights. I took a smaple of my old > spline to a local glass shop that repairs storm doors (which must have > plastic ? not glass ? windows. They matched the old spline, at a cost > somewhere in the range of $0.25 per foot. Installation of the replacement > portlights take around 20-30 minutes per portlight. I need to do it again ? > it has been something like 10years since they were last replaced (with no > leaks, BTW. > > Rick Brass > Washington, NC > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. > via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 1:35 PM > To: CnClist > Cc: Dennis C. > Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) > > > Evan, > > Replacing the lenses in the aluminum frames is straightforward. I do it > every 7-8 years on my 35-1. I cut the lenses myself from acrylic I get from > mcmaster.com <http://mcmaster.com> . > > First, the inner seal is simply D-shaped EDPM weatherstripping that can be > found at Lowes, Home Depot or Walmart. MD Building Products and Frost King > make it. Amazon sells it also. Look for MD Building Products 1025 > weatherstripping. > > Clean the sealing surface on the aluminum frames and stick the adhesive side > to the frame. Insert the lens. Wet the spline with soapy water and use a > wooden dowel or similar to push the spline in place. > > You can buy universal spline on amazon much cheaper than the spline sold by > Holland. I used C.R. Laurence CRL gray 15/32 Wide glazing spline. However, > that spline was a bit hard to insert. It worked but it was a bit of a pain. > > I suspect there are better spline/gasket alternatives out there. The first > time I replaced them, I used the spline from Holland. It worked very well. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 11:11 AM Evan Kane via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > The metal-framed windows on my 33-1 all leak, and the (vinyl?) spline is > pulling away at the corners and looks bad. The leak is between the frame and > the plexi, not the frame and the fiberglass. > > I?m aware that holland marine and south shore sell the spline but at > relatively large expense. > > The local window shop didn?t have anything matching in stock but recommended > picking something from CR Laurence?s options ($20-40 for a 100 ft roll), but > I can?t tell which would work best. > > What is the list using for replacement spline? > > Also, do you recommend butyl tape or 3m vhb tape or other products for > sealing the plexi to the frame? > > Please excuse any technical errors using the list on my part, this is my > first post (likely of many) > > Evan > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
My 25 still has the aluminum frame windows. I use the same MD Building products EPDM weatherstripping cited by Dennis – bought at Lowes. A box is about $20, IIRC, and is enough to do 4 portlights. I took a smaple of my old spline to a local glass shop that repairs storm doors (which must have plastic – not glass – windows. They matched the old spline, at a cost somewhere in the range of $0.25 per foot. Installation of the replacement portlights take around 20-30 minutes per portlight. I need to do it again – it has been something like 10years since they were last replaced (with no leaks, BTW. Whatever you do, don’t bother trying to R/reseal the metal frames. They are bedded in butyl and have never leaked on my 45 year old boat. I replaced the aluminum portlights on my 38 with opening ports, as mentioned by another lister. The increased ventilation is a real benefit, but the project was a PITA. I bought ports with the same nominal dimensions as the portlights – 27”x7” I think. But the cutout for the ports required removing about 5/16” of glass all around the cutout for the portlight. The opening ports have and inner and outer frame that ate boated through the cabin side, but the inner and outer skins of the cabin in the location of the portlights are not bonded together or cored. So I had to laminate a frame/spacer between the inner and outer skins to allow mounting of the port. All in all, I guess I spent 8 or 10 hours on each port, spread out over 3 or 4 days to allow for cutting, fitting, laminating, curing, and installing. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 1:35 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) Evan, Replacing the lenses in the aluminum frames is straightforward. I do it every 7-8 years on my 35-1. I cut the lenses myself from acrylic I get from mcmaster.com <http://mcmaster.com> . First, the inner seal is simply D-shaped EDPM weatherstripping that can be found at Lowes, Home Depot or Walmart. MD Building Products and Frost King make it. Amazon sells it also. Look for MD Building Products 1025 weatherstripping. Clean the sealing surface on the aluminum frames and stick the adhesive side to the frame. Insert the lens. Wet the spline with soapy water and use a wooden dowel or similar to push the spline in place. You can buy universal spline on amazon much cheaper than the spline sold by Holland. I used C.R. Laurence CRL gray 15/32 Wide glazing spline. However, that spline was a bit hard to insert. It worked but it was a bit of a pain. I suspect there are better spline/gasket alternatives out there. The first time I replaced them, I used the spline from Holland. It worked very well. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 11:11 AM Evan Kane via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: The metal-framed windows on my 33-1 all leak, and the (vinyl?) spline is pulling away at the corners and looks bad. The leak is between the frame and the plexi, not the frame and the fiberglass. I’m aware that holland marine and south shore sell the spline but at relatively large expense. The local window shop didn’t have anything matching in stock but recommended picking something from CR Laurence’s options ($20-40 for a 100 ft roll), but I can’t tell which would work best. What is the list using for replacement spline? Also, do you recommend butyl tape or 3m vhb tape or other products for sealing the plexi to the frame? Please excuse any technical errors using the list on my part, this is my first post (likely of many) Evan ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
I have a 1975 33 - I and I did the following: I went to a window building place and went through their samples of spline and found one that fit perfectly (ie, it closely matched the old spline thickness). I then went to Amazon and ordered the shortest roll I could get (100 ft). Here is what I bought: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G0Y5EA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8=1 . The plexiglass was in good shape so I used VHB 2 sided neoprene tape to install the windows. Then I used a popsicle stick to force the spline into the groove between the frame and the plexi. Note: For the spline mentioned above to work, you have to use the appropriate thickness VHB tape (less than 1/8" total thickness) and your plexiglass or lexan or whatever needs to be surprisingly thin -- I don't have the measurement handy, but I'd bet that my plexiglass is about 1/8" thick. I did mine about 10 years ago and they still don't leak On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 3:35 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Was wondering about that. > > *From:* Dave. via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, September 26, 2019 2:45 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* kasel...@q.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) > > OOOPS. How about 1975? I have a 1965 VW 21 window transporter, does that > count? > Dave. > SLY > 1975 C 33 > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Dave, you have a 1965 33-1? I'd like to see photos of your boat! thanks > > Richard > s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 > > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -Original Message- > From: Dave. via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: kaselers > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm > Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) > > Its always great to hear from another 33-1 owner. These are great boats. > Prefect size with great sailing characteristics. We have won many PHRF > races in ours. In our case, a prior owner removed the window frames > entirely and using a double sided foam tape type material stuck the windows > directly to the cabin house. We have replaced the tape twice in our 30 > something years of ownership but are not troubled with window leaks. The > job is not easy and requires cutting many short pieces of this foam tape to > get around the corners but we then screw the plexiglass to the house which > compresses the foam and creates a seal. > Good luck, > Dave. > SLY > 1965 C 33-1 > > Sent from my iPad > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
Was wondering about that. From: Dave. via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 2:45 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: kasel...@q.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) OOOPS. How about 1975? I have a 1965 VW 21 window transporter, does that count? Dave. SLY 1975 C 33 Sent from my iPad On Sep 26, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote: Dave, you have a 1965 33-1? I'd like to see photos of your boat! thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave. via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: kaselers Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) Its always great to hear from another 33-1 owner. These are great boats. Prefect size with great sailing characteristics. We have won many PHRF races in ours. In our case, a prior owner removed the window frames entirely and using a double sided foam tape type material stuck the windows directly to the cabin house. We have replaced the tape twice in our 30 something years of ownership but are not troubled with window leaks. The job is not easy and requires cutting many short pieces of this foam tape to get around the corners but we then screw the plexiglass to the house which compresses the foam and creates a seal. Good luck, Dave. SLY 1965 C 33-1 Sent from my iPad ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
OOOPS. How about 1975? I have a 1965 VW 21 window transporter, does that count? Dave. SLY 1975 C 33 Sent from my iPad > On Sep 26, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List > wrote: > > Dave, you have a 1965 33-1? I'd like to see photos of your boat! thanks > > Richard > s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 > > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -Original Message- > From: Dave. via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: kaselers > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm > Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) > > Its always great to hear from another 33-1 owner. These are great boats. > Prefect size with great sailing characteristics. We have won many PHRF races > in ours. In our case, a prior owner removed the window frames entirely and > using a double sided foam tape type material stuck the windows directly to > the cabin house. We have replaced the tape twice in our 30 something years of > ownership but are not troubled with window leaks. The job is not easy and > requires cutting many short pieces of this foam tape to get around the > corners but we then screw the plexiglass to the house which compresses the > foam and creates a seal. > Good luck, > Dave. > SLY > 1965 C 33-1 > > Sent from my iPad > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
Evan, Replacing the lenses in the aluminum frames is straightforward. I do it every 7-8 years on my 35-1. I cut the lenses myself from acrylic I get from mcmaster.com. First, the inner seal is simply D-shaped EDPM weatherstripping that can be found at Lowes, Home Depot or Walmart. MD Building Products and Frost King make it. Amazon sells it also. Look for MD Building Products 1025 weatherstripping. Clean the sealing surface on the aluminum frames and stick the adhesive side to the frame. Insert the lens. Wet the spline with soapy water and use a wooden dowel or similar to push the spline in place. You can buy universal spline on amazon much cheaper than the spline sold by Holland. I used C.R. Laurence CRL gray 15/32 Wide glazing spline. However, that spline was a bit hard to insert. It worked but it was a bit of a pain. I suspect there are better spline/gasket alternatives out there. The first time I replaced them, I used the spline from Holland. It worked very well. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 11:11 AM Evan Kane via CnC-List wrote: > The metal-framed windows on my 33-1 all leak, and the (vinyl?) spline is > pulling away at the corners and looks bad. The leak is between the frame > and the plexi, not the frame and the fiberglass. > > I’m aware that holland marine and south shore sell the spline but at > relatively large expense. > > The local window shop didn’t have anything matching in stock but > recommended picking something from CR Laurence’s options ($20-40 for a 100 > ft roll), but I can’t tell which would work best. > > What is the list using for replacement spline? > > Also, do you recommend butyl tape or 3m vhb tape or other products for > sealing the plexi to the frame? > > Please excuse any technical errors using the list on my part, this is my > first post (likely of many) > > Evan > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
Welcome aboard, Evan. If you decide down the road to do something more elaborate (and expensive) with your windows, my 1978 34 came with the same oval framed windows (C started using the "go fast" windows on the 34 the next year). I replaced my windows with Lewmar opening ports, which allowed me to cool the cabin on hot days. It changed the boat's appearance slightly, but in my view the Lewmar windows were far superior and more attractive. Something to think about for long range planning. -Original Message- From: Dave. via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 12:45 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: kasel...@q.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) Its always great to hear from another 33-1 owner. These are great boats. Prefect size with great sailing characteristics. We have won many PHRF races in ours. In our case, a prior owner removed the window frames entirely and using a double sided foam tape type material stuck the windows directly to the cabin house. We have replaced the tape twice in our 30 something years of ownership but are not troubled with window leaks. The job is not easy and requires cutting many short pieces of this foam tape to get around the corners but we then screw the plexiglass to the house which compresses the foam and creates a seal. Good luck, Dave. SLY 1965 C 33-1 Sent from my iPad On Sep 26, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Evan Kane via CnC-List wrote: The metal-framed windows on my 33-1 all leak, and the (vinyl?) spline is pulling away at the corners and looks bad. The leak is between the frame and the plexi, not the frame and the fiberglass. I’m aware that holland marine and south shore sell the spline but at relatively large expense. The local window shop didn’t have anything matching in stock but recommended picking something from CR Laurence’s options ($20-40 for a 100 ft roll), but I can’t tell which would work best. What is the list using for replacement spline? Also, do you recommend butyl tape or 3m vhb tape or other products for sealing the plexi to the frame? Please excuse any technical errors using the list on my part, this is my first post (likely of many) Evan ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
Dave, you have a 1965 33-1? I'd like to see photos of your boat! thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave. via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: kaselers Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1) Its always great to hear from another 33-1 owner. These are great boats. Prefect size with great sailing characteristics. We have won many PHRF races in ours. In our case, a prior owner removed the window frames entirely and using a double sided foam tape type material stuck the windows directly to the cabin house. We have replaced the tape twice in our 30 something years of ownership but are not troubled with window leaks. The job is not easy and requires cutting many short pieces of this foam tape to get around the corners but we then screw the plexiglass to the house which compresses the foam and creates a seal. Good luck, Dave. SLY 1965 C 33-1 Sent from my iPad ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
Its always great to hear from another 33-1 owner. These are great boats. Prefect size with great sailing characteristics. We have won many PHRF races in ours. In our case, a prior owner removed the window frames entirely and using a double sided foam tape type material stuck the windows directly to the cabin house. We have replaced the tape twice in our 30 something years of ownership but are not troubled with window leaks. The job is not easy and requires cutting many short pieces of this foam tape to get around the corners but we then screw the plexiglass to the house which compresses the foam and creates a seal. Good luck, Dave. SLY 1965 C 33-1 Sent from my iPad > On Sep 26, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Evan Kane via CnC-List > wrote: > > The metal-framed windows on my 33-1 all leak, and the (vinyl?) spline is > pulling away at the corners and looks bad. The leak is between the frame and > the plexi, not the frame and the fiberglass. > > I’m aware that holland marine and south shore sell the spline but at > relatively large expense. > > The local window shop didn’t have anything matching in stock but recommended > picking something from CR Laurence’s options ($20-40 for a 100 ft roll), but > I can’t tell which would work best. > > What is the list using for replacement spline? > > Also, do you recommend butyl tape or 3m vhb tape or other products for > sealing the plexi to the frame? > > Please excuse any technical errors using the list on my part, this is my > first post (likely of many) > > Evan > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Window spline options (CnC 33-1)
The metal-framed windows on my 33-1 all leak, and the (vinyl?) spline is pulling away at the corners and looks bad. The leak is between the frame and the plexi, not the frame and the fiberglass. I’m aware that holland marine and south shore sell the spline but at relatively large expense. The local window shop didn’t have anything matching in stock but recommended picking something from CR Laurence’s options ($20-40 for a 100 ft roll), but I can’t tell which would work best. What is the list using for replacement spline? Also, do you recommend butyl tape or 3m vhb tape or other products for sealing the plexi to the frame? Please excuse any technical errors using the list on my part, this is my first post (likely of many) Evan ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
