Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I have one of those and it works fine.

 

Bill Coleman

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Subject: Stus-List FM antenna?

 

You experts are the best!  I am ordering a Shakespeare antenna splitter...as it 
appears that will be a very cheap but effective addition.  The FM receiver is 
6" away from the VHF and the whole idea makes sense.  Will report in May when 
it gets installed.  Thanks guys!!  

 

Now...has anyone replaced the indicator lights on the electrical panel (red 
incandescents) with LED or similar?  My little lenses have either been bonked 
and freed up to fall into the abyss of the liner (and two are now missing).  
Any advising out there?  

 

(Yes, someday there will be a topic I might have advice to provide too...oh 
well...) 


 

 

Chuck Saur

Morning Sky

C$C 35-3

 

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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

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Paneltronics for mine.
http://members.shaw.ca/ptarmiganshift/images/IMG_1803.jpg


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> My panel needed larger ones than blue sea sells. Went to mouser.com. Took
> some hunting to find what I wanted
>
> Joel
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> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Blue Sea sells LED indicators.
>>
>> Gary
>> S/V High Maintenance
>> '90 C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
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>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You experts are the best!  I am ordering a Shakespeare antenna
>>> splitter...as it appears that will be a very cheap but effective addition.
>>> The FM receiver is 6" away from the VHF and the whole idea makes sense.
>>> Will report in May when it gets installed.  Thanks guys!!
>>>
>>> Now...has anyone replaced the indicator lights on the electrical panel
>>> (red incandescents) with LED or similar?  My little lenses have either been
>>> bonked and freed up to fall into the abyss of the liner (and two are now
>>> missing).  Any advising out there?
>>>
>>> (Yes, someday there will be a topic I might have advice to provide
>>> too...oh well...)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Chuck Saur*
>>> Morning Sky
>>> C$C 35-3
>>>
>>> Snowbound near the Straits...
>>>
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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

My panel needed larger ones than blue sea sells. Went to mouser.com. Took
some hunting to find what I wanted

Joel

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Blue Sea sells LED indicators.
>
> Gary
> S/V High Maintenance
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
>> You experts are the best!  I am ordering a Shakespeare antenna
>> splitter...as it appears that will be a very cheap but effective addition.
>> The FM receiver is 6" away from the VHF and the whole idea makes sense.
>> Will report in May when it gets installed.  Thanks guys!!
>>
>> Now...has anyone replaced the indicator lights on the electrical panel
>> (red incandescents) with LED or similar?  My little lenses have either been
>> bonked and freed up to fall into the abyss of the liner (and two are now
>> missing).  Any advising out there?
>>
>> (Yes, someday there will be a topic I might have advice to provide
>> too...oh well...)
>>
>>
>> *Chuck Saur*
>> Morning Sky
>> C$C 35-3
>>
>> Snowbound near the Straits...
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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Blue Sea sells LED indicators.

Gary
S/V High Maintenance
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You experts are the best!  I am ordering a Shakespeare antenna
> splitter...as it appears that will be a very cheap but effective addition.
> The FM receiver is 6" away from the VHF and the whole idea makes sense.
> Will report in May when it gets installed.  Thanks guys!!
>
> Now...has anyone replaced the indicator lights on the electrical panel
> (red incandescents) with LED or similar?  My little lenses have either been
> bonked and freed up to fall into the abyss of the liner (and two are now
> missing).  Any advising out there?
>
> (Yes, someday there will be a topic I might have advice to provide
> too...oh well...)
>
>
> *Chuck Saur*
> Morning Sky
> C$C 35-3
>
> Snowbound near the Straits...
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Stus-List FM antenna?

[Chuck Saur via CnC-List]

You experts are the best!  I am ordering a Shakespeare antenna
splitter...as it appears that will be a very cheap but effective addition.
The FM receiver is 6" away from the VHF and the whole idea makes sense.
Will report in May when it gets installed.  Thanks guys!!

Now...has anyone replaced the indicator lights on the electrical panel (red
incandescents) with LED or similar?  My little lenses have either been
bonked and freed up to fall into the abyss of the liner (and two are now
missing).  Any advising out there?

(Yes, someday there will be a topic I might have advice to provide too...oh
well...)


*Chuck Saur*
Morning Sky
C$C 35-3

Snowbound near the Straits...
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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Yes, left a lot out. I am not sure how detailed, or long, to make these posts.
I guess the point is that the splitters work well. I have the Shakespeare unit
installed with a Shakespeare loaded whip. I was commenting that if the FM
reception is poor it may not be the splitter causing the problem.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
 

Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 09:46:54 -0500 
From: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com> 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List FM antenna? 
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There are some vital points left out of this analysis. A horizontal  
dipole antenna is only superior when aimed accurately at the particular  
station you want to hear. It is very directional. A vertical antenna is  
less focused as far as interference, but is omni directional, which is  
far superior when the listening station is one that moves and turns.  
Does anyone remember the brief period when embedded dipole windshield  
antennas in cars were a "thing"? Everyone got over that failed  
experiment pretty quickly, and went back to vertical whips.  How well do  
you suppose a horizontal antenna would work for your VHF? :-) 
 
Bill Bina 
 
On 3/2/2016 9:33 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote: 
> The splitter works well, worth the price. 
> 
> There are some technical challenges to consider. A VHF antenna will be  
> tuned 
> ( some better than others ) to 157 MHz. FM is 88 - 108 MHz. The better the 
> VHF antenna the less FM signal strength it will pass through. The FM  
> station 
> has a choice of polarizing the signal vertically, horizontally, most  
> do both. 
> The vertical whip antenna picks up the vertical version, which is  
> considered 
> to be more susceptible to interference. 
> 
> It may be that a FM specific dipole will work as well. 
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILMORE-5035-DIPOLE-FM-ANTENNA-w-MOTOROLA-PLUG-FITS-VINTAGE-VHF-SCANNERS-/151928946680
>  
> 
> 28.5" each side is the correct length for FM. 
> 
> In the style of YMMV, if you have a well tuned VHF antenna with a 50'  
> run to the spiltter, then another 10' run to 
> the radio trying to pick up a "college" station around 88 MHz with  
> horizontal polarization is not going to work well. 
> 
> Michael Brown 
> Windburn 
> C 30-1 
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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

There are some vital points left out of this analysis. A horizontal 
dipole antenna is only superior when aimed accurately at the particular 
station you want to hear. It is very directional. A vertical antenna is 
less focused as far as interference, but is omni directional, which is 
far superior when the listening station is one that moves and turns. 
Does anyone remember the brief period when embedded dipole windshield 
antennas in cars were a "thing"? Everyone got over that failed 
experiment pretty quickly, and went back to vertical whips.  How well do 
you suppose a horizontal antenna would work for your VHF? :-)


Bill Bina

On 3/2/2016 9:33 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote:

The splitter works well, worth the price.

There are some technical challenges to consider. A VHF antenna will be 
tuned

( some better than others ) to 157 MHz. FM is 88 - 108 MHz. The better the
VHF antenna the less FM signal strength it will pass through. The FM 
station
has a choice of polarizing the signal vertically, horizontally, most 
do both.
The vertical whip antenna picks up the vertical version, which is 
considered

to be more susceptible to interference.

It may be that a FM specific dipole will work as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILMORE-5035-DIPOLE-FM-ANTENNA-w-MOTOROLA-PLUG-FITS-VINTAGE-VHF-SCANNERS-/151928946680

28.5" each side is the correct length for FM.

In the style of YMMV, if you have a well tuned VHF antenna with a 50' 
run to the spiltter, then another 10' run to
the radio trying to pick up a "college" station around 88 MHz with 
horizontal polarization is not going to work well.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

 
 The splitter works well, worth the price.

There are some technical challenges to consider. A VHF antenna will be tuned
( some better than others ) to 157 MHz. FM is 88 - 108 MHz.  The better the
VHF antenna the less FM signal strength it will pass through. The FM station
has a choice of polarizing the signal vertically, horizontally, most do both.
The vertical whip antenna picks up the vertical version, which is considered
to be more susceptible to interference.

It may be that a FM specific dipole will work as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILMORE-5035-DIPOLE-FM-ANTENNA-w-MOTOROLA-PLUG-FITS-VINTAGE-VHF-SCANNERS-/151928946680

28.5" each side is the correct length for FM.

In the style of YMMV, if you have a well tuned VHF antenna with a 50' run to 
the spiltter, then another 10' run to
the radio trying to pick up a "college" station around 88 MHz with horizontal 
polarization is not going to work well.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1 



Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 16:18:38 -0500 
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> 
To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List FM antenna? 
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I have the Shakespeare FM splitter.  I can't exactly tell how good the VHF 
antenna works but I can tell you that the FM is only mediocre.  Biggest 
problem is that my sail instrument package causes all types of interference. 
 
Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 
On Mar 1, 2016 4:07 PM, "Jim Watts via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote: 
 
> I have a car antenna, fully extended, parked in the space between the hull 
> and the nav station liner. Works well enough for my needs. 
> If you want to use masthead, you may want to check out the Shakespeare 
> antenna splitter and utilize the existing VHF antenna. 
> 
> Jim Watts 
> Paradigm Shift 
> C 35 Mk III 
> Victoria, BC 
> 
> On 1 March 2016 at 12:29, Chuck Saur via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote: 
> 
>> Quick survey:  What are y'all using for FM antenna?  I have Bluetooth, 
>> Auxiliary inputs, iPad, GoFree (B Chartplotter), marina WiFi, Pandora, 
>> and nice, new speakers.  Wired for sound, I brag... 
>> 
>> But I want to listen to good ol' FM radio sometimes, and have issues with 
>> the single line antenna output stuffed into the back of my electro-locker. 
>> Seems in the UP of Michigan, radio is sorta sparse, but pretty good!!  Top 
>> of mast seems optimal, but unsure of space and interference???  What and 
>> where are you mounting something and getting best reception?? 
>> 
>> *Chuck Saur* 
>> Morning Sky 
>> C 35-3 
>> Straits area... 
 

 

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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

The problem with horizontal antennas is that they are more directional 
than a vertical antenna. Stations fade in and out as the boat moves, or 
swings at anchor.


Bill Bina

On 3/2/2016 8:45 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote:
I also have the splitter which worked well until a storm came through 
while my wife was at the marina listening to the radio.. Apparently a 
lightning surge came down close enough to be picked-up by the mast top 
antenna and it blew the stereo receiver.. The VHF was not on so there 
was no other damage.


It was a cheap unit that I was considering replacing anyway but now 
I'm also looking at antennas that go in the hull somewhere in hopes 
that it is less likely to capture a wandering lightning surge (Fairly 
common here in the southeast).  This way my next receiver might not be 
as likely to get hit..


Here's what I'm looking at 
http://www.amazon.com/Tune-Trapper-Hidden-Marine-Antenna/dp/B002WQTS58


On lake Lanier we're close to the the stations we like anyway so 
pretty much any decent antenna should do the trick



-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List FM antenna?

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I also have the splitter which worked well until a storm came through 
while my wife was at the marina listening to the radio.. Apparently a 
lightning surge came down close enough to be picked-up by the mast top 
antenna and it blew the stereo receiver.. The VHF was not on so there was 
no other damage. 

It was a cheap unit that I was considering replacing anyway but now I'm 
also looking at antennas that go in the hull somewhere in hopes that it is 
less likely to capture a wandering lightning surge (Fairly common here in 
the southeast).  This way my next receiver might not be as likely to get 
hit.. 

Here's what I'm looking at 
http://www.amazon.com/Tune-Trapper-Hidden-Marine-Antenna/dp/B002WQTS58

On lake Lanier we're close to the the stations we like anyway so pretty 
much any decent antenna should do the trick 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

I had a Shakespeare unit that worked fine as well, though I opted for AIS last 
year and installed the Simrad transponder.  The matching splitter has an FM 
output in addition to VHF for the AIS and radio.  That works very well, no 
interference issues.  The boat originally came with a telescoping antenna 
mounted behind the electrical panel.  That was not very effective.

Regards,

Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI

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Subject: Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

I use the Shakespeare VHF-FM antenna splitter.  It works fine.
Gary
S/V High Maintenance
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


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> Quick survey:  What are y'all using for FM antenna?  I have Bluetooth,
> Auxiliary inputs, iPad, GoFree (B Chartplotter), marina WiFi, Pandora,
> and nice, new speakers.  Wired for sound, I brag...
>
> But I want to listen to good ol' FM radio sometimes, and have issues with
> the single line antenna output stuffed into the back of my electro-locker.
> Seems in the UP of Michigan, radio is sorta sparse, but pretty good!!  Top
> of mast seems optimal, but unsure of space and interference???  What and
> where are you mounting something and getting best reception??
>
> *Chuck Saur*
> Morning Sky
> C 35-3
> Straits area...
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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I use the Shakespeare VHF-FM antenna splitter.  It works fine.
Gary
S/V High Maintenance
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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> Quick survey:  What are y'all using for FM antenna?  I have Bluetooth,
> Auxiliary inputs, iPad, GoFree (B Chartplotter), marina WiFi, Pandora,
> and nice, new speakers.  Wired for sound, I brag...
>
> But I want to listen to good ol' FM radio sometimes, and have issues with
> the single line antenna output stuffed into the back of my electro-locker.
> Seems in the UP of Michigan, radio is sorta sparse, but pretty good!!  Top
> of mast seems optimal, but unsure of space and interference???  What and
> where are you mounting something and getting best reception??
>
> *Chuck Saur*
> Morning Sky
> C 35-3
> Straits area...
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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

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I have the Shakespeare FM splitter.  I can't exactly tell how good the VHF
antenna works but I can tell you that the FM is only mediocre.  Biggest
problem is that my sail instrument package causes all types of interference.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Mar 1, 2016 4:07 PM, "Jim Watts via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I have a car antenna, fully extended, parked in the space between the hull
> and the nav station liner. Works well enough for my needs.
> If you want to use masthead, you may want to check out the Shakespeare
> antenna splitter and utilize the existing VHF antenna.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 1 March 2016 at 12:29, Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Quick survey:  What are y'all using for FM antenna?  I have Bluetooth,
>> Auxiliary inputs, iPad, GoFree (B Chartplotter), marina WiFi, Pandora,
>> and nice, new speakers.  Wired for sound, I brag...
>>
>> But I want to listen to good ol' FM radio sometimes, and have issues with
>> the single line antenna output stuffed into the back of my electro-locker.
>> Seems in the UP of Michigan, radio is sorta sparse, but pretty good!!  Top
>> of mast seems optimal, but unsure of space and interference???  What and
>> where are you mounting something and getting best reception??
>>
>> *Chuck Saur*
>> Morning Sky
>> C 35-3
>> Straits area...
>>
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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[William Hall via CnC-List]

I went the splitter route with good results.  Works a lot better than the
deck-mounted antenna that came with the boat, both for reception and for
not being in the way.

Bill Hall
'85 C 37 Starfire
Ludington, MI

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> I have a car antenna, fully extended, parked in the space between the hull
> and the nav station liner. Works well enough for my needs.
> If you want to use masthead, you may want to check out the Shakespeare
> antenna splitter and utilize the existing VHF antenna.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 1 March 2016 at 12:29, Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Quick survey:  What are y'all using for FM antenna?  I have Bluetooth,
>> Auxiliary inputs, iPad, GoFree (B Chartplotter), marina WiFi, Pandora,
>> and nice, new speakers.  Wired for sound, I brag...
>>
>> But I want to listen to good ol' FM radio sometimes, and have issues with
>> the single line antenna output stuffed into the back of my electro-locker.
>> Seems in the UP of Michigan, radio is sorta sparse, but pretty good!!  Top
>> of mast seems optimal, but unsure of space and interference???  What and
>> where are you mounting something and getting best reception??
>>
>> *Chuck Saur*
>> Morning Sky
>> C 35-3
>> Straits area...
>>
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Re: Stus-List FM antenna?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I have a car antenna, fully extended, parked in the space between the hull
and the nav station liner. Works well enough for my needs.
If you want to use masthead, you may want to check out the Shakespeare
antenna splitter and utilize the existing VHF antenna.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 1 March 2016 at 12:29, Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Quick survey:  What are y'all using for FM antenna?  I have Bluetooth,
> Auxiliary inputs, iPad, GoFree (B Chartplotter), marina WiFi, Pandora,
> and nice, new speakers.  Wired for sound, I brag...
>
> But I want to listen to good ol' FM radio sometimes, and have issues with
> the single line antenna output stuffed into the back of my electro-locker.
> Seems in the UP of Michigan, radio is sorta sparse, but pretty good!!  Top
> of mast seems optimal, but unsure of space and interference???  What and
> where are you mounting something and getting best reception??
>
> *Chuck Saur*
> Morning Sky
> C 35-3
> Straits area...
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Stus-List FM antenna?

[Chuck Saur via CnC-List]

Quick survey:  What are y'all using for FM antenna?  I have Bluetooth,
Auxiliary inputs, iPad, GoFree (B Chartplotter), marina WiFi, Pandora,
and nice, new speakers.  Wired for sound, I brag...

But I want to listen to good ol' FM radio sometimes, and have issues with
the single line antenna output stuffed into the back of my electro-locker.
Seems in the UP of Michigan, radio is sorta sparse, but pretty good!!  Top
of mast seems optimal, but unsure of space and interference???  What and
where are you mounting something and getting best reception??

*Chuck Saur*
Morning Sky
C 35-3
Straits area...
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