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From: Matthew via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2022 8:29:54 AM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Matthew
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
Stephen:
My first boat was a Ranger 26 that had been modified (the cast
iron keel
Trim it before you send it!
A buddy of mine had nearly the same issue with a Tartan 33. It had floors
(athwartships reinforcements running across the bilge). It still flexed
and had the hull/keel joint crack nearly every
: Stephen Kidd
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
Greetings,
I wanted to give an update on the keel wobble on our 25 MKII. It took a while
for us to get our ducks and the weather in a row, but it gave us time to do a
lot of reading and research following the leads provided through
That doesn't sound like anything that is supposed to happen. I would think
of somebody could flex it from the outside while someone is watching
inside, you should be able to see something. In any event, it seems like
something that might cause it to fall off at some point. I would think it
should
You’re welcome! It’s an easy way to record other people’s ideas and share.
I took a google stroll in the 25-2 and can see it was introduced not long
before before and it is likely built in a very similar way to windstar, meaning
a solid hull, a ‘spider’ (shop made structural grid bonded to
Good idea, and it makes sense to check. I'm pretty certain nothing has been
tinkered with, given the consistent patina and materials throughout, but
we've had her all of 4 of her 42 years.
The hull is indeed solid fiberglass with a cored deck. So at least it's not
the scariest of the scary.
I've
Another thought, and this may seem like a silly question - has the boat been
modified in any way? Any structure removed?
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> On Mar 18, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Dave S wrote:
>
> Curious. If the hull is solid glass or cored and sound I’d tackle a diy
> repair without
Curious. If the hull is solid glass or cored and sound I’d tackle a diy
repair without hesitation, provided you are handy and are either willing to
learn about the techniques and material involved or have a knowledgeable friend
who can help. There are many here who can help identify well
Greetings,
I wanted to give an update on the keel wobble on our 25 MKII. It took a
while for us to get our ducks and the weather in a row, but it gave us time
to do a lot of reading and research following the leads provided through
the list. As our next step in investigating the keel wobble, we
when she came out this year. Best of luck!
John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT
From: John Irvin via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 11:16 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: John Irvin
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
Strongly recommend smile repair be done with material
2022 12:35 PM
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Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
I have to agree with Dwight on the backing plates, ESPECIALLY the aft most one,
I think. It looks like they cut the edges off the
damage to the sump, would we still expect wiggle after
>> tightening? In other words, if we tighten the keel bolts and wiggle ceases,
>> has the problem most likely been resolved?
>>
>> Thank you for the insights!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Bil
:39 PM
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Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
I think you said it was not leaking water from the outside into the bilge. If
that's the case then the seal is still OK. I think if you do the repair you
will be good to go. If you sell and move on to something
an via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2022 12:35 PM
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>> *Cc:* Bill Coleman
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
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>> I have to agree with Dwight on the backing plates, ESPECIALLY the aft
>> mos
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
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> I have to agree with Dwight on the backing plates, ESPECIALLY the aft most
> one, I think. It looks like they cut the edges off the stack of washers, so
> the nut would fit in that tight space with a
Agreed that some beefing up is in order (including backing plates). Not sure
welding is necessary.
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2022 12:35 PM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
I have to agree with Dwight
This one piqued my curiosity so, Chiming in. I h haven’t noticed that with my
33-2 either, however I know it and it’s similarly-sized siblings have floor
timbers (aka the spider) that form a structural grid essentially spreading the
lateral keel loads onto the hull, some adjacent to bulkheads
: dwight veinot
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
You can fix that. Yes grind it out and clean surfaces well with acetone soaked
rags. Use a brush and apply West system epoxy to cleaned surfaces. The fill the
gap(s) with silica thickened epoxy putty. Then a couple of layers of epoxy
them to loosen,
but I suspect it was a little diesel fuel in the bilge.
From: Dean McNeill via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2022 11:40 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dean McNeill
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
While I’m a new owner, I’ve now witnessed two launches and two haul
While I’m a new owner, I’ve now witnessed two launches and two haul-outs… each
involving a 500 yard run up a bumpy hill hanging/swaying in a sling (not for
the faint of heart) and my keel doesn’t move relative to the boat (1980 C 34)
at all.
It did have the familiar C smile when I bought it,
, Jan 3, 2022 11:27 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?
Heated agreement. Any wiggle and that keel
is being dropped and properly re-bedded. IMHO elongation of bolt holes has
occurred and will only get worse. From: dwight veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 11:21 AM
You can fix that. Yes grind it out and clean surfaces well with acetone
soaked rags. Use a brush and apply West system epoxy to cleaned surfaces.
The fill the gap(s) with silica thickened epoxy putty. Then a couple of
layers of epoxy soaked glass matte. Grind to shaped and fair with polyester
Heated agreement. Any wiggle and that keel is being dropped and properly
re-bedded. IMHO elongation of bolt holes has occurred and will only get worse.
From: dwight veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 11:21 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Stus-List Re: 25 MKII
I would say none is closer to normal. I have a 1974 C 35. Never saw its
keel wiggle lifted out of the water in fall and put back in the water every
spring.
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:13 AM Julian Norris via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I also noticed that the keel on my 30 MKII
I also noticed that the keel on my 30 MKII wiggled alarming during lift out
this year. Our club lifts as a group with a crane with very long straps. It was
very windy so the straps were vibrating in the breeze (gale?) which transferred
to the hull and caused the keel to wiggle. In my case I
I'd put some larger 1/4 inch stainless plates under the nuts to better
spread the load and then torque the keelbolt nuts to spec.
Then remove any crumbly material at the crack, fill it with epoxy/glass mix
and apply a couple layers of overlapping biaxial tape and epoxy. Fair and
paint.
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