Re: Stus-List Halyard Knot - was Shackle for Genoa Sheets? Halyard knot
This topic has been discussed before. I'm an advocate of the "double overhand on a itself" for halyard shackles. Both the halyard knot and the double overhand are likely to get jammed and you will likely find it necessary to cut the knot if removal becomes necessary. The reason I advocate for a double overhand is that the tail comes out in line with the loaded side as apposed to the halyard knot where the tail comes out perpendicular. This isn't too big of a deal but unless you work the halyard knot or cut the tail short there is a chance of the tail fouling. Knots are IMO superior to an eye splice for halyard attachment since the line doesn't get fat and potentially jam in the sheave box. I believe less rope is lost cutting the knot vs cutting the eye should replacement be needed. Ultimately less cost and nearly the same performance. A knot may cause a very slightly reduced hoist...if space is limited at the top. They call it a poachers knot. https://www.animatedknots.com/poachers/index.php Double Overhand on Itself. DOI http://www.caves.org/section/vertical/nh/46/doitie.html Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:45 PM John Conklin via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: > Yes, I was planning on asking about the Halyard Knot as well. I too have > never heard of it ? This is a great Link !! > > I also thought there was only 1 proper cleat Hitch as shown for the > Halyard Cleat Hitch. The Cleat Hitch for deck I have also never seem. Now > if I can get the best video for the Double Braid eye Splice. I would like > to give it a go. > > Thanks again. > > > > John Conklin > > S/V Halcyon > > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of schiller > via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:25:10 AM > *To:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List > *Cc:* schiller > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Halyard Knot - was Shackle for Genoa Sheets? > > Mike, > > Here is a good visual link to several useful knots. In all my years of > sailing (and tying loads while working in a lumber yard) I had not > discovered the halyard knot. > > https://www.animatedknots.com/indexboating.php > <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.animatedknots.com%2Findexboating.php=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd2f45a7ff954c7523a708d6458e7b0b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772875576129395=Fxqv7cNAxBP1Qkz33tm%2BIzGiBYQ15nhJHvhemjJPSWc%3D=0> > > Neil Schiller > 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace" > Whitehall, Michigan > WLYC > > On 11/8/2018 9:32 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: > > Hi Neil > > > > Can you send a link to where I can see how to tie “Halyard Knot”? I would > like to use that instead of bowline on my jib halyard > > > > Mike > > Persistence > > Halifax > > > > No snow here … yet! > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > ] *On Behalf Of *schiller via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2018 10:32 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* schiller > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets? > > > > After buying a sheet and halyard kit from Cajun Ropes that came with loose > ends, I have attached them with halyard knots and never had a hang up on > shrouds or baby stays. The only thing that we get hung up on occasion is > the forward hatch. I have found the halyard knot to be much better than > bowlines anduse them for the main outhaul and reefing line as well. On our > old Redwing 35, we had a continuous jib sheet with a luggage tag knot. > Both boats have separate spinnaker sheets so all we have to do is collect > them up and tie them up on the bow pulpit. > > Neil Schiller > 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace" > Whitehall, Michigan > WLYC > All covered up and tucked in before the snow flies this week. > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd2f45a7ff954c7523a708d6458e7b0b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772875576129395=3%2Friut4udGq5UXwyi1vz6CforrmBYi3JcRoD%2B4qNCG4%3D=0> > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Halyard Knot - was Shackle for Genoa Sheets? Halyard knot
Splicing double-braid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UghIS9xdiDw Neil Gallagher Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 11/8/2018 1:44 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote: Yes, I was planning on asking about the Halyard Knot as well. I too have never heard of it ? This is a great Link !! I also thought there was only 1 proper cleat Hitch as shown for the Halyard Cleat Hitch. The Cleat Hitch for deck I have also never seem. Now if I can get the best video for the Double Braid eye Splice. I would like to give it a go. Thanks again. John Conklin S/V Halcyon *From:* CnC-List on behalf of schiller via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:25:10 AM *To:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List *Cc:* schiller *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Halyard Knot - was Shackle for Genoa Sheets? Mike, Here is a good visual link to several useful knots. In all my years of sailing (and tying loads while working in a lumber yard) I had not discovered the halyard knot. https://www.animatedknots.com/indexboating.php Neil Schiller 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace" Whitehall, Michigan WLYC On 11/8/2018 9:32 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: Hi Neil Can you send a link to where I can see how to tie “Halyard Knot”? I would like to use that instead of bowline on my jib halyard Mike Persistence Halifax No snow here … yet! *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *schiller via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, November 07, 2018 10:32 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* schiller *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets? After buying a sheet and halyard kit from Cajun Ropes that came with loose ends, I have attached them with halyard knots and never had a hang up on shrouds or baby stays. The only thing that we get hung up on occasion is the forward hatch. I have found the halyard knot to be much better than bowlines anduse them for the main outhaul and reefing line as well. On our old Redwing 35, we had a continuous jib sheet with a luggage tag knot. Both boats have separate spinnaker sheets so all we have to do is collect them up and tie them up on the bow pulpit. Neil Schiller 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace" Whitehall, Michigan WLYC All covered up and tucked in before the snow flies this week. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Halyard Knot - was Shackle for Genoa Sheets? Halyard knot
Yes, I was planning on asking about the Halyard Knot as well. I too have never heard of it ? This is a great Link !! I also thought there was only 1 proper cleat Hitch as shown for the Halyard Cleat Hitch. The Cleat Hitch for deck I have also never seem. Now if I can get the best video for the Double Braid eye Splice. I would like to give it a go. Thanks again. John Conklin S/V Halcyon From: CnC-List on behalf of schiller via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:25:10 AM To: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Cc: schiller Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard Knot - was Shackle for Genoa Sheets? Mike, Here is a good visual link to several useful knots. In all my years of sailing (and tying loads while working in a lumber yard) I had not discovered the halyard knot. https://www.animatedknots.com/indexboating.php<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.animatedknots.com%2Findexboating.php=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd2f45a7ff954c7523a708d6458e7b0b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772875576129395=Fxqv7cNAxBP1Qkz33tm%2BIzGiBYQ15nhJHvhemjJPSWc%3D=0> Neil Schiller 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace" Whitehall, Michigan WLYC On 11/8/2018 9:32 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: Hi Neil Can you send a link to where I can see how to tie “Halyard Knot”? I would like to use that instead of bowline on my jib halyard Mike Persistence Halifax No snow here … yet! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of schiller via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 10:32 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: schiller Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets? After buying a sheet and halyard kit from Cajun Ropes that came with loose ends, I have attached them with halyard knots and never had a hang up on shrouds or baby stays. The only thing that we get hung up on occasion is the forward hatch. I have found the halyard knot to be much better than bowlines anduse them for the main outhaul and reefing line as well. On our old Redwing 35, we had a continuous jib sheet with a luggage tag knot. Both boats have separate spinnaker sheets so all we have to do is collect them up and tie them up on the bow pulpit. Neil Schiller 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace" Whitehall, Michigan WLYC All covered up and tucked in before the snow flies this week. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray=02%7C01%7C%7Cdd2f45a7ff954c7523a708d6458e7b0b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772875576129395=3%2Friut4udGq5UXwyi1vz6CforrmBYi3JcRoD%2B4qNCG4%3D=0> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
