Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Pier Bover via Cocoa-dev
> It’s better for Apple as a company, but personally, I’d rather be able to upgrade my devices. It's also extremely bad for the environment. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Alex Zavatone via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Convert resources from ResEdit DUDE. This is what, 20 years overdue? ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or mod

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Alex Zavatone via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gabriel Zachmann via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > >> be a good time for a SwiftUI pivot. If true, Cocoa is the new Carbon. >> > > I think, eventually, maybe in 5 years' time, that will be the case. > This is really just a guess, I have no insights into Apple's roadm

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Jeff Szuhay via Cocoa-dev
You made a business decision and now you must live with that decision. Otherwise, this thread is really getting tiresome. > On Nov 13, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > blah blah blah ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
Our app is used by remodelers and construction folks to run their businesses- accounting, estimating, project management, billing, payroll. It's big- kinda like FileMaker, plus QuickBooks, plus a bit of Excel, plus a drawing window for customizing. It took about 15 programmer-years for version 1.0,

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Jens Alfke via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Over the last 16 years would bet that a lot of spit and polish has gone into > integrating Cocoa with Windows by the iTunes team. They only integrated the iTunes app with Windows. Getting a single app working does no

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Saagar Jha via Cocoa-dev
Saagar Jha > On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:43, Gabriel Zachmann via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > >> be a good time for a SwiftUI pivot. If true, Cocoa is the new Carbon. >> > > I think, eventually, maybe in 5 years' time, that will be the case. > This is really just a guess, I have no insights into Appl

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Mike Abdullah via Cocoa-dev
> On 13 Nov 2019, at 19:31, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > I made a rather bold statement about Cocoa being doomed. Here's some > background on where it came from. > > Apple and Microsoft are both working on next-generation app development > platforms, with the goal of havi

Re: Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Gabriel Zachmann via Cocoa-dev
> be a good time for a SwiftUI pivot. If true, Cocoa is the new Carbon. > I think, eventually, maybe in 5 years' time, that will be the case. This is really just a guess, I have no insights into Apple's roadmap. Speaking of which: I have never been there myself, but wouldn't the apple enginee

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Laurent Daudelin via Cocoa-dev
You know, I was thinking the same when Casey mentioned how long it was taking to convert their app to Cocoa... -Laurent. -- > On Nov 13, 2019, at 14:38, Gary L. Wade via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > If it takes you that long, then you need to hire new developers rather than > wasting your time po

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Gary L. Wade via Cocoa-dev
If it takes you that long, then you need to hire new developers rather than wasting your time posting complaints on an email list. -- Gary L. Wade http://www.garywade.com/ > On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > We have to plan 5 or 10 years ahead, beca

Re: Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
I made a rather bold statement about Cocoa being doomed. Here's some background on where it came from. Apple and Microsoft are both working on next-generation app development platforms, with the goal of having one dev library for desktop, tablet, phone and anything else. Meanwhile, Mozilla also

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Glenn L. Austin via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Having worked on an Apple cross-platform application that used the same APIs > that iTunes use... > ...was a nightmare. > > You'd think that it would be easy, but there are so many assumptions about > *how* the

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-13 Thread Glenn L. Austin via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 12, 2019, at 11:56 PM, Chris Ridd via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > >> >> On 12 Nov 2019, at 21:14, Jean-Daniel via Cocoa-dev >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Le 12 nov. 2019 à 21:30, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev >>> a écrit : >>> >>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, GNDGN wrote: ‘