Re: Future of Cocoa #2

> On Dec 10, 2019, at 5:57 PM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Xojo is new to me, but it appears more a SwiftUI than a Cocoa substitute. Xojo is just the new name for RealBASIC, which has been around forever. It wouldn’t be my first choice. Charles

Re: Need for Swift

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 10:44 PM, Laurent Daudelin via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Are people supposed to know instinctively when you unwrap with “?” and when > you do with “!”? It’s quite simple; you nearly always unwrap with `?`. The tiny minority of the time that `!` is needed is when you *know*

Re: Need for Swift

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: > >> On Oct 14, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Charles Srstka > > wrote: >> >> Swift, on the other hand, can actually *be* a scripting language if you want >> it to; put #!/usr/bin/env swift at the top of a source file, give

Re: Need for Swift

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: > >> On Oct 14, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Carl Hoefs via Cocoa-dev >> mailto:cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote: >> >> I see Computer Science students here falling into two groups. The group that >> likes Swift generally likes scripting languages,

Re: Need for Swift

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Jean-Daniel via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > >> Le 16 oct. 2019 à 11:49, Stephane Sudre via Cocoa-dev >> mailto:cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>> a écrit : >> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:26 PM Sandor Szatmari via Cocoa-dev >> mailto:cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote: >> >>>

Re: Thoughts on Cocoa

> On Oct 4, 2019, at 4:51 AM, Jeremy Hughes via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Hi Jens, > >> On 3 Oct 2019, at 20:04, Jens Alfke via Cocoa-dev > > wrote: >> >> The people I hear complaining about this are those who, like you, didn't >> move to Cocoa. Carbon was a

Re: Thoughts on Cocoa

> On Oct 11, 2019, at 12:44 AM, Jens Alfke wrote: > > >> On Oct 10, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev >> wrote: >> >> Just a guess but perhaps management had an awakening when they found the >> time and effort expended to write the next even better version of Finder in >>

Re: Thoughts on Cocoa

> On Oct 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, tblenko--- via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Me, I still don’t understand why, given the long history of support at > Apple/NeXT for C++ …what? > and the maturity of the compilers available, there is any need for Swift. But > there it is. Or, there they are. Perhaps

Re: Need for Swift

> On Oct 12, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Pier Bover via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Yeah I think Apple saw Obj-C as a barrier for developer adoption. I don't > think that's too far from the truth considering the emphasis on teaching > Swift to young devs, Playgrounds, the marketing about teenagers making >

Re: Need for Swift

> On Oct 12, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Charles Srstka wrote: > > The string nil checks, in particular, This was meant to be “The strict nil checks.” Ah, the joy of mailing lists, where there’s no edit feature. Charles ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list