Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-18 Thread Konstantin Piroumian
From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:45, David Crossley wrote: > > >. . . > > > So, let us develop a procedure whereby the opensource > > > model is still employed, yet there is initial quality control. > > >. . . > > > > Follow

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:45, David Crossley wrote: > >. . . > > So, let us develop a procedure whereby the opensource > > model is still employed, yet there is initial quality control. > >. . . > > Following the opensource model, I think docs should be released

RE: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-17 Thread TREGAN Fabien
>De: Carsten Ziegeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ... >Please make a SourceFactory >(org.apache.excalibur.source.SourceFactory) out >of it. With the release 2.1 the source handler is deprecated. I tryed to have a look at it, but : 1- I did not manage to build avalon (excalibur) doc from current

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-17 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: "Carsten Ziegeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gerhard Froehlich wrote: > > No not in the scratchpad. There they will be forgotten, > > believe me. > > > -1 for scratchpad > > Without really wanting to repeat myself: I still advice > to take one single and simple step at a time. The first > appr

RE: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-17 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Gerhard Froehlich wrote: > > Who is someone else? Patches in bugzilla are very lonely in > the moment. There are simply not applied. Why? Because there > about 600 classes in Cocoon, about 10 active committers and > nobody feels responsible. It's easy to say, oh I didn't > wrote this code, therefo

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-17 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: >Sylvain Wallez wrote: > > >>What about a 2-sided configuration : >>- in cocoon.xconf, declare a new source-handler specific to a particular >>CVS repository >> >> >>:pserver:@cvs.apache.org:/home/cvspublic >> >>cocoon_2_0_3_branch >> >> >> >>

RE: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-17 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Sylvain Wallez wrote: > > What about a 2-sided configuration : > - in cocoon.xconf, declare a new source-handler specific to a particular > CVS repository > > > :pserver:@cvs.apache.org:/home/cvspublic > > cocoon_2_0_3_branch > > > Please make a SourceFactory (org.a

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Torsten Curdt
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 16:27, Gerhard Froehlich wrote: > Agree ... but they must get re-viewed and applied somehow. > If not, Cocoon will stand still and the community breaks. aggreed... > >Maybe we try too hard to keep HEAD stable? > > That's the point. But nobody stated this, or? IMO the

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Stephan Michels
On Wed, 15 May 2002, Sylvain Wallez wrote: > Diana Shannon wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 05:20 AM, Stephan Michels wrote: > > > >> The best way to do this, is to implement the CVS support in cocoon. > > > > > > But you still need some form of webapp front-end to address all C

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Diana Shannon wrote: > > On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 05:20 AM, Stephan Michels wrote: > >> The best way to do this, is to implement the CVS support in cocoon. > > > But you still need some form of webapp front-end to address all CMS > concerns. CVS versioning is insufficient, IMO. > >> >> I

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread berni_huber
Hi, > > > >So what to do, what to do... ? As I understand the problem is to understand the total effects of a patch. Thus you path the code, try some sample, and if it works you say it is fixed. The side effects of a patch, or an enhancement you may or may not understand depending on the total

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
Hi, >>On Wednesday 15 May 2002 12:00, Gerhard Froehlich wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >I think that we already have this. It is the duty of the >> >committer to undertake initial quality control when they >> >accept the patch from Bugzilla and prepare for their >> >commit. If they do not know anything abou

RE: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
Hi, >> From: Torsten Curdt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> On Wednesday 15 May 2002 12:00, Gerhard Froehlich wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > >I think that we already have this. It is the duty of the >> > >committer to undertake initial quality control when they >> > >accept the patch from Bugzilla and

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Ivelin Ivanov
D]> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [docs] opensource and quality control > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:45, David Crossley wrote: > >. . . > > So, let us develop a procedure whereby the opensource > > model is still employed, yet there is initial quality con

RE: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
> From: Torsten Curdt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 12:00, Gerhard Froehlich wrote: > > Hi, > > > > >I think that we already have this. It is the duty of the > > >committer to undertake initial quality control when they > > >accept the patch from Bugzilla and prepare for

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Torsten Curdt
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 12:00, Gerhard Froehlich wrote: > Hi, > > >I think that we already have this. It is the duty of the > >committer to undertake initial quality control when they > >accept the patch from Bugzilla and prepare for their > >commit. If they do not know anything about the topic,

Re: [VOTE] Patching unstable (was: RE: [docs] opensource and quality control)

2002-05-15 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
Hi, >> From: Gerhard Froehlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >I think that we already have this. It is the duty of the >> >committer to undertake initial quality control when they >> >accept the patch from Bugzilla and prepare for their >> >commit. If they do not know anything about the topic, t

Re: [VOTE] Patching unstable (was: RE: [docs] opensource and quality control)

2002-05-15 Thread Konstantin Piroumian
From: "Morrison, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: Gerhard Froehlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >I think that we already have this. It is the duty of the > > >committer to undertake initial quality control when they > > >accept the patch from Bugzilla and prepare for their > > >commit. If th

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Diana Shannon
On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 05:20 AM, Stephan Michels wrote: > The best way to do this, is to implement the CVS support in cocoon. But you still need some form of webapp front-end to address all CMS concerns. CVS versioning is insufficient, IMO. > > I were glad to see a CVSSource and a CVS

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 11:20, Stephan Michels wrote: >. . . > The best way to do this, is to implement the CVS support in cocoon. >. . . Yes sure, but there's no such thing today AFAIK - I was trying to suggest a concrete solution that can be implemented right away. -Bertrand ---

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 12:13, Diana Shannon wrote: >. . . > > b) each doc has a unique ID > > Do we really need unique ID attribute if filename is unique, or is this > short-sighted? >. . Unique filenames would work for sure, doesn't have to be numerical, just pratical to include in the subj

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Diana Shannon
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:45, David Crossley wrote: >> . . . >> So, let us develop a procedure whereby the opensource >> model is still employed, yet there is initial quality control. >> . . . > > Following the opensource model, I think docs should be released as

[VOTE] Patching unstable (was: RE: [docs] opensource and quality control)

2002-05-15 Thread Morrison, John
> From: Gerhard Froehlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >I think that we already have this. It is the duty of the > >committer to undertake initial quality control when they > >accept the patch from Bugzilla and prepare for their > >commit. If they do not know anything about the topic, then > >they

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
Hi, >I think that we already have this. It is the duty of the >committer to undertake initial quality control when they >accept the patch from Bugzilla and prepare for their >commit. If they do not know anything about the topic, then >they should not be taking on the patch - let someone else >do

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-15 Thread Stephan Michels
On Wed, 15 May 2002, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:45, David Crossley wrote: > >. . . > > So, let us develop a procedure whereby the opensource > > model is still employed, yet there is initial quality control. > >. . . > > Following the opensource model, I think docs

Re: [docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:45, David Crossley wrote: >. . . > So, let us develop a procedure whereby the opensource > model is still employed, yet there is initial quality control. >. . . Following the opensource model, I think docs should be released as early as possible, with only minimal ini

[docs] opensource and quality control

2002-05-14 Thread David Crossley
The issue of how to introduce at least some minimal quality control for documentation is creating some friction on this list. Let us nip it in the bud before it blossoms. Opensource is all about getting something done and getting it out so that everyone can build upon it. By the very nature of op