RE: proposal: "The Newbies Competence Center" (XSP?)

2003-01-31 Thread Hunsberger, Peter
> I think we are agreeing (?) on the issue of proprietary : in essence, any code that > you do not write yourself is 'proprietary' in some way - it "belongs" to someone. Uh, no, but it's not worth worrying about... - Please check

RE: proposal: "The Newbies Competence Center" (XSP?)

2003-01-30 Thread Derek Hohls
Peter I think we are agreeing (?) on the issue of proprietary : in essence, any code that you do not write yourself is 'proprietary' in some way - it "belongs" to someone. I agree that OS can "whither" and you may have a system on hand that is not being developed or maintained but at least y

RE: proposal: "The Newbies Competence Center" (XSP?)

2003-01-30 Thread Hunsberger, Peter
Title: Message > Thanks for the comments; I am still not sure I  > understand or agree with the "proprietary" code part;  > my definition (based around ownership) seemingly disagrees  > with yours - we will then obviously disagree about the   > implications...    For purposes of evaluating i

RE: proposal: "The Newbies Competence Center" (XSP?)

2003-01-30 Thread Derek Hohls
Peter   Thanks for the comments; I am still not sure I understand or agree with the "proprietary" code part; my definition (based around ownership) seemingly disagrees with yours - we will then obviously disagree about the implications...   I am perfectly happy at present to stick with XSLT an

RE: proposal: "The Newbies Competence Center" (XSP?)

2003-01-29 Thread Hunsberger, Peter
Title: Message  >  Well, you carefully (or not?) snipped out my point that, in the  > end, the XSPs are converted to Java    That's irrelevant; you're still writing proprietary code...   >  - and at least one of the  Cocoon books I read suggests this as a perfectly vaild way  >  to start o

RE: proposal: "The Newbies Competence Center" (XSP?)

2003-01-28 Thread Derek Hohls
Well, you carefully (or not?) snipped out my point that, in the end, the XSPs are converted to Java - and at least one of the Cocoon books I read suggests this as a perfectly vaild way to start off doing your own coding for custom generators. So... I am not sure what you mean by "loss of portab

RE: proposal: "The Newbies Competence Center" (XSP?)

2003-01-28 Thread Hunsberger, Peter
Title: Message  >  Hmm?  Well isn't that like saying that sitemaps are "proprietary"    Well yes, but there's a big difference between coding your business logic in a proprietary non-portable solution and configuring a  pipeline.  By staying away from XSP I can switch away from Cocoon to a s

RE: proposal: "The Newbies Competence Center" (XSP?)

2003-01-27 Thread Derek Hohls
Hmm?  Well isn't that like saying that sitemaps are "proprietary" to Cocoon.  XSP, to me, provide a valid and useful function.  They allow me to develop generators with a *minimal* amount of Java knowledge (which, sadly, is my situation); as far as possible I avoid using it (except for simp