Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-12 Thread Stephan Michels
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Alexander Schatten wrote: Peter Flynn wrote: TeX systems are for formatting: you use them to typeset something which was created/edited/stored/manipulated in (for example) XML. Because of the way history happened, TeX preceded XML, so we have a lot of legacy TeX. Sure

RE: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Jestel, Roger B. (LNG-ALB)
-Original Message- From: Peter Flynn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TeX to PDF serializator On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 23:57, Andre Thenot wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 06:37 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: In any case

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Alexander Schatten
Peter Flynn wrote: This has come up several times before. I agree completely: many people want to use LaTeX to create PDF because it does a vastly better job than any of the FOP systems. nevertheless it is imho the completly wrong attempt. because FOP is not ready for primetime, you suggest

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
nevertheless it is imho the completly wrong attempt. because FOP is not ready for primetime, you suggest to put energy to integrate a legacy system, that does not fit into the XML publishing process?? this sounds weird to me. far better would be the idea to invest more energy in enhancing

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Alexander Schatten
Andreas Kuckartz wrote: I do not intend to be rude - but it might make sense if you learn a bit more about what TeX is doing before you make such judgements. thank you. I am working with LaTeX for nearly 10 years, so I know a *little* bit about it. In fact, you may believe me, that *I* know

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Joerg Heinicke
To make it short: A TeXSerializer with a transformer delivering TeX text is not possible. You must have SAX events in a pipe, not text. So the only option is a TeXSerializer understanding XSL FO or a XML representation of TeX. But this would already be very near to FOP. Of course you can

RE: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Jestel, Roger B. (LNG-ALB)
A TeXSerializer with a transformer delivering TeX text is not possible. You must have SAX events in a pipe, not text. So the only option is a TeXSerializer understanding XSL FO or a XML representation of TeX. But this would already be very near to FOP. Of course you can encapsulate the XSL FO

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 20:27, Alexander Schatten wrote: Peter Flynn wrote: This has come up several times before. I agree completely: many people want to use LaTeX to create PDF because it does a vastly better job than any of the FOP systems. nevertheless it is imho the completly wrong

PassiveTeX (Re: TeX to PDF serializator)

2003-06-11 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
A (hopefully) constructive suggestion. There exist programs which implement XSL FO - PDF transformations using TeX. PassiveTeX is Open Source, the Unicorn software is not. If someone tries to use them with Cocoon please let me know. Cheers, Andreas --- PassiveTeX - PassiveTeX is a library of

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Joerg Heinicke
Jestel, Roger B. (LNG-ALB) wrote: Sometimes you can't avoid using legacy systems, and sometimes they are even good, but that is unrelated to the question of how a third party processor can be intregrated in a serializer. Of course. And PDFs generated with TeX seem to provide much more quality

RE: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-11 Thread Conal Tuohy
Roger wrote: If your original file is XML and you have an xslt that converts it into TEX text, the output from the xslt is passed as a series of character sax events, so even though it is technically xml/sax events, since there are no elements or attributes, you can easily treat it

Re: TeX to PDF serializator (ExternalProcessSerializer?)

2003-06-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 12 juin 2003, à 03:49 Europe/Zurich, Conal Tuohy a écrit : ...In any case - isn't TeX a text format? If so then a well-formed XML document like TeXblah blah blah ... /TeX could be serialised to TeX by the TextSerializer, couldn't it?... Or better, just write a serializer that is a

Re: Re[2]: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-10 Thread Andre Thenot
On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 05:35 AM, Vasil I. Yaroshevich wrote: I can make XML document such as root ![CDATA[ LaTex document there ]] /root and I want to convert it to PDF. How? Sure you can. But that defeats the whole purpose of using XML in the first place. :-) AS what would definitly be

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-10 Thread Alexander Schatten
Andreas Kuckartz wrote: I think it's not in the the cocoon project's goals. Why not? A good reason which I can see for such a component is that you could use the features of TeX to automatically create printable pages with high quality. I cant get the point. Cocoon is an XML publishing

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-10 Thread Peter Flynn
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 23:03, Alexander Schatten wrote: Andreas Kuckartz wrote: I think it's not in the the cocoon project's goals. Why not? A good reason which I can see for such a component is that you could use the features of TeX to automatically create printable pages with high

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-10 Thread Andre Thenot
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 06:37 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: In any case, it shouldn't be specific to LaTeX. All we need is an ability of Cocoon to spawn an external process and serve the result back to the user with a defined media type. There's a _big_ problem with this: how do I apply a

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-10 Thread Peter Flynn
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 23:57, Andre Thenot wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 06:37 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: In any case, it shouldn't be specific to LaTeX. All we need is an ability of Cocoon to spawn an external process and serve the result back to the user with a defined media type.

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-05 Thread Nicolas SANDRI
I think it's not in the the cocoon project's goals. A project also exist : http://tex2pdf.berlios.de/ Nicolas Le mercredi, 4 juin 2003, à 19:41 Europe/Paris, Vasil I. Yaroshevich a écrit : Whether exists subj? -- Best regards, Vasil mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-05 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
I think it's not in the the cocoon project's goals. Why not? A good reason which I can see for such a component is that you could use the features of TeX to automatically create printable pages with high quality. Andreas - To

TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-05 Thread Vasil I. Yaroshevich
Whether exists subj? -- Best regards, Vasil mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: TeX to PDF serializator

2003-06-05 Thread Alexander Schatten
Vasil I. Yaroshevich wrote: Whether exists subj? what should this be good for? tex is not XML and hence can not take part in the Cocoon pipeline. To publish tex, you can use pdflatex and publish the PDF directly. what would definitly be useful is a tex generator, that generatex XML out