Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Robert Simmons
I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that cocoon is not ready for professional development. Unlike tomcat, or Ant, this product has serious things blocking its use in production systems. I personally am completely and utterly stopped by the classpath bug indicated here:

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Andreas Bednarz
Hi Robert, I completely agree with your opinion and share your sorrows about the current state. I personally use Resins XTP mechanism, which works fine and fast and is well documented etc. Maybe some days we will change to cocoon, but now ... Andreas Bednarz Am Don, 2003-01-30 um 12.21 schrieb

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Robert Simmons
Robert Simmons wrote: I have seen a plethora of new people come on this list and then just vanish. Comments are invited. That's a quick decision for someone who has been around here for only 2 weeks: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?a=10426232413r=1w=2 I have put in 14 to 16 hours a

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous
Robert, this was NOT POLITE ! stop this attacks! thats useless and distracting! no more words on this. hussayn -- Dr. Hussayn Dabbous SAXESS Software Design GmbH Neuenhöfer Allee 125 50935 Köln Telefon: +49-221-56011-0 Fax: +49-221-56011-20 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread robert_hitchins
Robert Simmons wrote: I have put in 14 to 16 hours a day for 2 weeks on this thing. Lets fuckign add it up shall we. That would be 210 hours averaging at 15 hours a day. Dividing by 40 hours (the standard workweek) means that i have put in nearly 5 weeks of work time compressed into 2 weeks.

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Sorin Marti
Ooooh!! I have not followed the list in the last days and now this. What's going on? If you got a problem with each other why can't you be polite? This list is (AFAIK) NOT to curse at somebody. If you want to vituperate please do it per PM!! Sorin Marti

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Emmanuil Batsis (Manos)
Robert, 210 hours in two weeks is like a single man-week IMHO (40 hours). Man hours are counted in both quality and quantity. Professionals should be aware of that. We are also professionals, although still hacking in some room between everything, but that shows we love our work. We are also

Antwort: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread manfred . weigel
] am 30.01.2003 12:21:55 Bitte antworten an [EMAIL PROTECTED]@inet An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Thema: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready. I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that cocoon is not ready for professional development. Unlike tomcat, or Ant, this product

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Robert Simmons
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready. Ooooh!! I have not followed the list in the last days and now this. What's going on? If you got a problem with each other why can't you be polite? This list is (AFAIK

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Irving Salisbury
Steven, Because people are going to flame you, I thought maybe I'd send an email agreeing with you ;-) When I first started using cocoon, it seemed weird and akward. It took about 2-3 months of really digging in and trying to use it. This was before there were good books out, of which there

RE: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Matthew Langham
This type of thing really makes my day. You know actually it does the project more good than harm. It pays to step back from our day to day Cocoon euphoria now and again and look at things through other peoples eyes. And its obvious that some people have difficulties getting Cocoon and perhaps

AW: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Scherler, Thorsten
! But please everyone, stop producing bad vibes! Thanks. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Carsten Ziegeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 14:22 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready. PLEASE: LET'S NOT TURN

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Stephan Michels
Hi, I found a blog, which fits perfecly ;-) http://blogs.werken.com/people/bob/archives/000146.html Stephan Michels - Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting.

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread Sorin Marti
*lol* that reminds me of something ... :-D Stephan Michels wrote: Hi, I found a blog, which fits perfecly ;-) http://blogs.werken.com/people/bob/archives/000146.html Stephan Michels - Please check that your question has

Re: Time to go back to JSP. Cocoon just isnt ready.

2003-01-30 Thread David Crossley
Hussayn Dabbous wrote: snip/ Maybe we are far away from maturity, but we won't get closer, if everyone interested in professional usage just skips it, because it's not professionally usable right now. Instead of coming back next year you may help getting there by taking a little bit of