Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-25 Thread Kathleen Clifford
" xx""DQ : wools x On Jan 25, 2014 4:20 PM, "Robert Sanderson" wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Jon Phipps wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Robert Sanderson > >wrote: > > > > > > All in my opinion, and all debatable. I hope that your choice goes > well > > > > for > > > >

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-25 Thread Dan Scott
Hi Jon: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Jon Phipps wrote: > Well, the notion of 'beta' is a bit complicated... The vocabularies aren't > beta and shouldn't be regarded as such. They've been well- vetted and > reviewed and various folks, including me, have been working on them for > quite a few y

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-25 Thread Robert Sanderson
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Jon Phipps wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Robert Sanderson >wrote: > > > > All in my opinion, and all debatable. I hope that your choice goes well > > > for > > > > you, > > > > > > I'd like to repeat: just because I agree with that choice, and I'm >

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-25 Thread Jon Phipps
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Robert Sanderson wrote: > > All in my opinion, and all debatable. I hope that your choice goes well > > for > > > you, > > > > I'd like to repeat: just because I agree with that choice, and I'm > > defending it here, it wasn't my choice. Not at all. And the concer

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-25 Thread Jon Phipps
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Edward Summers wrote: > Luckily nobody’s really using it ; so it’s not a huge problem :-D Gee, thanks Ed. :-) Jon

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-24 Thread Edward Summers
Luckily nobody’s really using it ; so it’s not a huge problem :-D On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > On 1/24/14, 6:56 AM, Jon Phipps wrote: >> >> Thanks for reminding me that this is an academic panel discussion in front >> of an audience, rather than a conversation. >> > > No

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-24 Thread Robert Sanderson
(Sorry for a previous empty message) Hi Jon, On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Jon Phipps wrote: > Hi Rob, the conversation continues below... > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Robert Sanderson >wrote: > > To present the other side of the argument so that others on the list can > > make an i

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-24 Thread Karen Coyle
On 1/24/14, 6:56 AM, Jon Phipps wrote: Thanks for reminding me that this is an academic panel discussion in front of an audience, rather than a conversation. Not entirely clear what you meant by that, but I do think that we have a very practical issue in front of us, and it's one of the thin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-24 Thread Robert Sanderson
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Jon Phipps wrote: > Hi Rob, the conversation continues below... > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Robert Sanderson >wrote: > > > Hi Jon, > > > > To present the other side of the argument so that others on the list can > > make an informed decision... > > > > T

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-24 Thread Jon Phipps
Hi Rob, the conversation continues below... On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote: > Hi Jon, > > To present the other side of the argument so that others on the list can > make an informed decision... > Thanks for reminding me that this is an academic panel discussion in front

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-23 Thread Karen Coyle
On 1/23/14, 4:01 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote: So in my opinion, as is everything in the mail of course, this is even worse. Now instead of 1600 properties, you have 1600 * (number of languages +1) properties. And you're going to see them appearing in uses of the ontology. Either stick with your

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-23 Thread Robert Sanderson
Hi Jon, To present the other side of the argument so that others on the list can make an informed decision... On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Jon Phipps wrote: > I've developed a quite strong opinion that vocabulary developers should not > _ever_ think that they can understand the semantics of

[CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-23 Thread Jon Phipps
Well, the notion of 'beta' is a bit complicated... The vocabularies aren't beta and shouldn't be regarded as such. They've been well- vetted and reviewed and various folks, including me, have been working on them for quite a few years, with plenty of feedback from quite a few 'communities'. That sa

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-23 Thread Dan Scott
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Jon Phipps wrote: > Hi Ben, > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Ben Companjen > wrote: > >> Returning an HTML document (or XML document as I get) in >> response to a request for an RDA property or class is wrong in the Linked >> Data sense [note 1]. This is expla

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-23 Thread Jon Phipps
Hi Ben, On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Ben Companjen wrote: > Returning an HTML document (or XML document as I get) in > response to a request for an RDA property or class is wrong in the Linked > Data sense [note 1]. This is explained in the W3C WG Note that you > referred to in recipe 2 [2].

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-23 Thread Ben Companjen
Hi Jon, Regarding the 'returning only relevant part' vs. 'returning whole document': It is not 'wrong' to include more than just what you asked for. I don't know about any guideline that says how much extra should/could be included. For example, if you ask for a description of me, I might want to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-22 Thread Jon Phipps
Hi Karen, On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > I would still prefer something memorable at this stage. The 'lexical', and therefore more memorable, URIs based on the English label will always resolve to the canonical URI. If the lexical label changes, but the semantics don't c

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-22 Thread Karen Coyle
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-22 Thread Jon Phipps
Hi Dan, Thanks for taking such an interest! Regarding your questions and concerns: 'slash' vs. 'hash' URIs: As a matter of design, we coin URIs for retrieval of information about the resource identified by the URI by machines, not humans. The most current formal rules[1] state that retrieving a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-22 Thread Robert Sanderson
ries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Dan > Scott [deni...@gmail.com] > Sent: 22 January 2014 21:10 > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element > Vocabularies > > Hi Karen: > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-22 Thread Hamilton, Gill
.com] Sent: 22 January 2014 21:10 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies Hi Karen: On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > I can't address the first points, but I can speak a bit to the question of > me

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Scott
Hi Karen: On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > I can't address the first points, but I can speak a bit to the question of > meaningful URIs. In the original creation of the RDA elements, "meaningful" > URIs were used based on the actual RDA terminology. This resulted in URIs > li

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-22 Thread Karen Coyle
I can't address the first points, but I can speak a bit to the question of meaningful URIs. In the original creation of the RDA elements, "meaningful" URIs were used based on the actual RDA terminology. This resulted in URIs like: http://rdvocab.info/Elements/alternativeChronologicalDesignatio

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-22 Thread Dan Scott
I'm still pretty new at this linked data thing, but I find it strange that RDA element properties URIs such as http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/a/P50034 and http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/a/P50209 both return the same HTML page in a browser. Would it not have been more usable if the properties us

[CODE4LIB] Fwd: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies

2014-01-21 Thread Diane Hillmann
Folks: I hope this announcement will be of general interest (and apologies if you receive more than one). Diane -- Forwarded message -- From: JSC Secretary Date: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:23 AM Subject: [rules] Publication of the RDA Element Vocabularies RDA colleagues, See the