Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-15 Thread Francis Kayiwa
Ken, I am not sure if this was suggested. I used this Perl project a while back http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysitemaker/?abmode=1 It seems to meet all your needs. regards, ./fxk

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-11 Thread Tim Spalding
Casey: I think it's extremely hard to appreciate both the advantages and disadvantages of a framework if you haven't done a bunch of stuff both with and without one. ... Tim can be at least as productive writing PHP by hand as I can using Django, but most of us can't be Tim. Most of us need to

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-11 Thread kgs
Define understand SQL. I can't help but be concerned about the adage knows just enough to be dangerous. I've seen some systems brought to their knees in terms of performance as a result of a couple of poorly constructed queries. The irony is that it's easy to do this in some simplified

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-10 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Tim Spalding wrote: I'd consider teaching them how to use SQL directly. I've done it at LibraryThing. I take employees from the simplest SELECTs all the way to a people-who-have-X-also-have-Y self-join in one long hands-on lesson. It doubles as a sort of test, and I've

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-10 Thread andrew . hankinson
The Django framework's Administration interface is pretty good for doing quick database work, and it's highly customizable. It also does very basic database introspection on existing databases to help get you set up. -Andrew On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Ken Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-10 Thread Tim Shearer
Hi All, It ain't free, but there's a lovely client for mysql called navicat (http://www.navicat.com/) that we've been using. And even though I *can* do command line queries, gotta say I love pulling lines between tables to set them up. It's not too expensive and I find that for light to

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-10 Thread Tim Spalding
It bears repeating that many library standards, notably MARC, are essentially non-relational and non-normalized. Fully normalized relational databases aren't an obvious idea if you're never been exposed to them—and something like a religious revelation once you have. Whether or not SQL is a useful

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-10 Thread Susan Rector
We use an ODBC link as we can control the rights at the MySQL level like Tobin mentions below Susan Tobin Cataldo wrote: We have been using MS Access linked through MyODBC. The user's rights are according to the permissions in the MySQL user table. Tobin Ken Irwin wrote: Hi folks, I

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-10 Thread Tim Spalding
That's definitely true. One cartesian query can ruin your day... On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:22 PM, John Fereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Spalding wrote: I'd consider teaching them how to use SQL directly. I've done it at LibraryThing. I take employees from the simplest SELECTs all the

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-08-10 Thread Alex Dolski
Despite their repeated pleadings, I just can't afford to let my colleagues learn SQL, Tim. I have to take every opportunity to hide the knowledge from them. I've found that developing simple, easy-to-use front-ends to complex internal systems here in the library is a good way to keep them dumb

[CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Ken Irwin
Hi folks, I have some straightforward MySQL data tables that I would like to be editable by some of my less-techy colleagues. I tend to think of phpMyAdmin as a perfectly serviceable and reasonably interface for updating database tables, but I'm told that it's kind of intimidating to the

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Sean Hannan
I was in a similar situation and I just used CodeIgniter's scaffolding (http://codeigniter.com/user_guide/general/scaffolding.html ) feature to allow my users to add/edit data. It's pretty safe, and it looks neat and clean, too. Sean Hannan Web Developer, Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Tobin Cataldo
We have been using MS Access linked through MyODBC. The user's rights are according to the permissions in the MySQL user table. Tobin Ken Irwin wrote: Hi folks, I have some straightforward MySQL data tables that I would like to be editable by some of my less-techy colleagues. I tend to

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Tim Spalding
I'd consider teaching them how to use SQL directly. I've done it at LibraryThing. I take employees from the simplest SELECTs all the way to a people-who-have-X-also-have-Y self-join in one long hands-on lesson. It doubles as a sort of test, and I've even used it in hiring. LibraryThing's two

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Cloutman, David
, some framework is probably the way to go for this, regardless of which you choose. - David -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Ken Irwin Sent: Wed 7/30/2008 6:35 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin? Hi

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Ken Irwin
Thanks for all the database suggestions. The Scaffolding function Sean suggested is more perfect than I dreamed possible. One day I'd probably benefit from learning the whole CodeIgniter framework; for now, this function will do just what I need. Thanks so much! Ken Sean Hannan wrote: I was

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Tim Spalding
for Libraries on behalf of Ken Irwin Sent: Wed 7/30/2008 6:35 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin? Hi folks, I have some straightforward MySQL data tables that I would like to be editable by some of my less-techy colleagues. I tend

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Shawn Boyette ☠
less powerful than phpMyAdmin? Hi folks, I have some straightforward MySQL data tables that I would like to be editable by some of my less-techy colleagues. I tend to think of phpMyAdmin as a perfectly serviceable and reasonably interface for updating database tables, but I'm told that it's

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Ken Irwin
Shawn Boyette ☠ wrote: I don't think he was asking about *programmers* creating or modifying *schema*. It's true -- I just want a simple little data entry tool (which I've got now! That was easy.) I've been doing all of my development by hand, without the luxury of frameworks, not out of

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Tim Spalding
That reminds me of a better idea. Let's keep a real understanding of computers from less-techy colleagues at the library. That way no messy learning or understanding will take place, and we'll always be needed. Then we could start wearing white colors... T On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Alex

Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin?

2008-07-30 Thread Cloutman, David
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Spalding Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:49 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] what's friendlier less powerful than phpMyAdmin? That reminds me of a better idea. Let's keep a real understanding of computers from less-techy colleagues at the library