Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-10 Thread Lars Aronsson
Thomas Dowling wrote: Contrariwise, Wikipedia includes book and DVD covers and movie posters, with a pretty verbose explanation of why they think they're allowed to do so (see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:StarWarsMoviePoster1977.jpg). I guess they just define their use

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread Lars Aronsson
Tim Spalding wrote: I really hope this—or more probably what comes of this—ends the selling of covers to libraries. Probably not, with all the restrictions you attached. Still, this is a most interesting experiment. Commercial sellers supposedly have a legal backing from contracts with

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Both the law and the real world situation is unclear. Clearly, publishers own the intellectual property of a cover graphic. Could using thumbnail images of lots of covers in aggregate be considered fair use? Maybe, the law is not clear (there is some case law to suggest it could be, but it's

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread Tim Spalding
First, IANAL, obviously. Clearly, publishers own the intellectual property of a cover graphic. Could using thumbnail images of lots of covers in aggregate be considered fair use? Maybe, the law is not clear (there is some case law to suggest it could be, but it's hardly settled). Publishers

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I am actually pretty certain that Amazon _has_ licensed their covers, and particularly from Syndetics. Where Syndetics gets their covers remains a mystery to me, one I am very curious about. Jonathan Tim Spalding wrote: First, IANAL, obviously. Clearly, publishers own the intellectual

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread Thomas Dowling
On 08/07/2008 04:04 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I am actually pretty certain that Amazon _has_ licensed their covers, and particularly from Syndetics. Contrariwise, Wikipedia includes book and DVD covers and movie posters, with a pretty verbose explanation of why they think they're allowed

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread David Pattern
Publishers make their covers available to them and to others because they desperately want their covers out there. You can get covers from publishers with amazing ease. I do not suspect Amazon or Syndetics have licensed the covers in any way. Having worked for a number of years for a

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread Edward M. Corrado
I think the lawsuit you are talking about is the image linking suit, Perfect 10 v. Google. Information on this lawsuit can be found at: http://www.eff.org/cases/perfect-10-v-google I haven't read the decision, but the EFF says While it leaves some questions open, the bottom line is that the Court

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, the law is pretty unclear. I don't think LT or Wikipedia are taking an unreasonable risk. Odds are, the publishers aren't going to complain. If they do, and you are willing to go to court, it's a toss up as to whether you'd win or not. Jonathan Thomas Dowling wrote: On 08/07/2008

Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] A million free covers, from LibraryThing

2008-08-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
David Pattern wrote: On the subject of copyright, wasn't there a recent case brought against Google's Image Search where the judge ruled that thumbnails do not violate the copyright of the original image? Yes, but the facts in that case weren't quite the same as the facts in the