[CODE4LIB] OpenURL aggregator not doing so well
Take a look at http://openurl.code4lib.org/aggregator Any ideas how to make it work better? Eric Hellman President, Gluejar, Inc. 41 Watchung Plaza, #132 Montclair, NJ 07042 USA e...@hellman.net http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/
Re: [CODE4LIB] OpenURL aggregator not doing so well
Yes, although, the problem is actually with Connotea: http://www.connotea.org/article/4c40adbf8ecaef53b3772b5a141e229d So we either need to talk to NPG or drop Connotea from the OpenURL planet. -Ross. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote: Take a look at http://openurl.code4lib.org/aggregator Any ideas how to make it work better? Eric Hellman President, Gluejar, Inc. 41 Watchung Plaza, #132 Montclair, NJ 07042 USA e...@hellman.net http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/
Re: [CODE4LIB] ILS short list
SirsiDynix Symphony has a new Web Services platform that is being released in beta at this point. Full documentation is supposed to be available in 2010. It was used to enable the SirsiDynix iPhone app. I think it was built as a wrapper on top of their long-existing command line API tools. Feature set is supposed to include: * authenticated access to user account info and ability to place holds / renew items * new / popular title lists * bibliographic searching and display * item availability information I don't think this package requires additional $$, but I bet you do have to have already paid for API training. We haven't investigated that deeply with Sirsi yet. -emily -- Emily Lynema Associate Department Head Information Technology, NCSU Libraries 919-513-8031 emily_lyn...@ncsu.edu -- Date:Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:32:57 -0400 From:Ryan Eby ryan...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ILS short list It would probably be worth putting your findings on the code4lib wiki if you end up getting very far. I had started a list awhile ago but never got around to getting more info/completing it. Here's what I have so far based on talking with people. The information may be out of date: Evergreen and Koha both have database access and various API's. Not sure on the hosted liblime koha. Voyager *Export Built in. Can export Marc with bib, holdings and authorities records, though marc is often mangled (from person i talked to). *Database Access Built in. Uses Oracle and also provides entity-relationship diagrams and some pre-build views to help in development. Believe the oracle license is also included in the base price. Access is read-only. *API's and Web Services Built in. z39 access, however with SQL access you could likely build the API you need. Unicorn * Export Built in. MARC21 or flat file formats. Unicode support is available as an extra. * Database Access Mixed. No access to the embedded Informix database by default; API training is necessary for read-only access. Oracle is an extra option, but that only gives you a read-only license. For write access, you need a full Oracle license. SQL schema is supplied if you purchase API training. * API's and Web Services Mixed. Z39.50 is offered (not sure if it's an extra). API access is an extra - basically you pay for docs of Unix-like commands and the ability to pay for API support if you screw up. API training also gives you some access to the client/server wire protocol so you can roll your own. No Web services. Utterly unusable XML API (it basically wraps the wire protocol with no abstraction). Innovative * Export Built In. Can dump Marc or CSV files of specific field data * Database Access Extra. There is a Oracle option with an additional cost with the default being a proprietary database without access. From what I've heard the Oracle tables are not documented overly well. There also appears to be mysql used for some data as well. *API's and Web Services Extra. Z39 is offered as a product. There used to be an XML server but this appears to have been discontinued. There appears to be more web services in the works though they also appear to be additional products. XRecord is built in but doesn't easily allow access to attached items given a bib eby Anna Headley wrote: I am looking to find or create a shortlist of ILSes, open or proprietary, that provide API access to bibliographic and item-level data. �I am really only looking for ILSes that are used by academic libraries. Do you know of any resources that might be helpful? �I started with Marshall Breeding's 2009 Perceptions report, but it doesn't include much information about a given ILS. Or, do you use such an ILS in your library? So far my list is: Evergreen Thank you!! Anna
[CODE4LIB] New books RSS feed / badge with cover images?
Hi, all - I suspect something like this is being done already, so I thought I would check in and ask. Essentially, what I would like to do is display the library's new books on a web page in a graphic format - I'd like it to look very similar to the sorts of widgets that GoodReads or LibraryThing users can create. I threw up a few quick examples here: http://gvsu.edu/library/zzwidget-test-171.htm Now, we have an RSS feed for our new books (Millennium is our ILS if it matters), and as I understand it, the images we get from Syndetic Solutions are parsed as enclosures to that RSS feed. Is there a way to take the RSS feed, and only show those enclosures (if they exist, and are not the default grey box we see if the book doesn't have a cover image) somehow? Or perhaps there's a really easy way to do this that I'm overlooking. Would appreciate your insight! Thanks,
Re: [CODE4LIB] ILS short list
Lehigh is part of the Web Services partner program, and we are very close to releasing the mobile app. So far it hasn't cost any $$ nor have we had to worry about API either as there is a separate web services API that this development is based on. In reality, much of that effort depends on the base Unicorn/Symphony API. There is some expectation (skepticism/cynicism?) that SirsiDynix will eventually charge customers for web-service apps, but from conversations with colleagues at other partner sites, it's our intention to push partner apps to remain free and open. But I wouldn't be surprised if there is eventually a subscription to ge access to the web services API. If there are any specific questions on this, let me know. Cheers, Tim Sent from my iPod Touch Tim McGeary Team Leader, Library Technology tim.mcge...@lehigh.edu On Apr 9, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Emily Lynema emily_lyn...@ncsu.edu wrote: SirsiDynix Symphony has a new Web Services platform that is being released in beta at this point. Full documentation is supposed to be available in 2010. It was used to enable the SirsiDynix iPhone app. I think it was built as a wrapper on top of their long-existing command line API tools. Feature set is supposed to include: * authenticated access to user account info and ability to place holds / renew items * new / popular title lists * bibliographic searching and display * item availability information I don't think this package requires additional $$, but I bet you do have to have already paid for API training. We haven't investigated that deeply with Sirsi yet. -emily -- Emily Lynema Associate Department Head Information Technology, NCSU Libraries 919-513-8031 emily_lyn...@ncsu.edu -- Date:Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:32:57 -0400 From:Ryan Eby ryan...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ILS short list It would probably be worth putting your findings on the code4lib wiki if you end up getting very far. I had started a list awhile ago but never got around to getting more info/completing it. Here's what I have so far based on talking with people. The information may be out of date: Evergreen and Koha both have database access and various API's. Not sure on the hosted liblime koha. Voyager *Export Built in. Can export Marc with bib, holdings and authorities records, though marc is often mangled (from person i talked to). *Database Access Built in. Uses Oracle and also provides entity-relationship diagrams and some pre-build views to help in development. Believe the oracle license is also included in the base price. Access is read-only. *API's and Web Services Built in. z39 access, however with SQL access you could likely build the API you need. Unicorn * Export Built in. MARC21 or flat file formats. Unicode support is available as an extra. * Database Access Mixed. No access to the embedded Informix database by default; API training is necessary for read-only access. Oracle is an extra option, but that only gives you a read-only license. For write access, you need a full Oracle license. SQL schema is supplied if you purchase API training. * API's and Web Services Mixed. Z39.50 is offered (not sure if it's an extra). API access is an extra - basically you pay for docs of Unix-like commands and the ability to pay for API support if you screw up. API training also gives you some access to the client/server wire protocol so you can roll your own. No Web services. Utterly unusable XML API (it basically wraps the wire protocol with no abstraction). Innovative * Export Built In. Can dump Marc or CSV files of specific field data * Database Access Extra. There is a Oracle option with an additional cost with the default being a proprietary database without access. From what I've heard the Oracle tables are not documented overly well. There also appears to be mysql used for some data as well. *API's and Web Services Extra. Z39 is offered as a product. There used to be an XML server but this appears to have been discontinued. There appears to be more web services in the works though they also appear to be additional products. XRecord is built in but doesn't easily allow access to attached items given a bib eby Anna Headley wrote: I am looking to find or create a shortlist of ILSes, open or proprietary, that provide API access to bibliographic and item-level data. �I am really only looking for ILSes that are used by academic libraries. Do you know of any resources that might be helpful? �I starte d with Marshall Breeding's 2009 Perceptions report, but it doesn't include much information about a given ILS. Or, do you use such an ILS in your library? So far my list is: Evergreen Thank you!! Anna
Re: [CODE4LIB] New books RSS feed / badge with cover images?
Some ideas: 1) Use Feeds Imagegrabber (http://drupal.org/project/feeds_imagegrabber) along with Feeds to create nodes that include their enclosures (cover images) from the RSS feed. Once you have the items as nodes you can use Views and the plethora of Views carrousel-like modules to display them like the LibraryThing widget you prefer =) I think you can also set Feeds to delete nodes older than X days so you don't end up with old nodes lying around. 2) Write out a bit of PHP (or javascript?) in a custom block to just parse the current RSS feed's contents. You'd have to add in the Javascript/Jquery carrousel of your choice. Might be simpler--if you have a coder around or can find the appropriate PHP and/or JS code already available on the Internets. I also thought of (but discarded) Millennium.module; it can create nodes from an ftlist URL, BUT you'd have to run it manually every so often (it has Views integration, so like Feeds you could use views and a carrousel to show the items). Also, it'd be nice to just use a Millennium WebOPAC as a datasource (instead of local MySQL) for Views 3... maybe I can put that into Millennium.module =) _alejandro Laura Harris said the following on 09/04/2010 09:07 a.m.: Hi, all - I suspect something like this is being done already, so I thought I would check in and ask. Essentially, what I would like to do is display the library's new books on a web page in a graphic format - I'd like it to look very similar to the sorts of widgets that GoodReads or LibraryThing users can create. I threw up a few quick examples here: http://gvsu.edu/library/zzwidget-test-171.htm Now, we have an RSS feed for our new books (Millennium is our ILS if it matters), and as I understand it, the images we get from Syndetic Solutions are parsed as enclosures to that RSS feed. Is there a way to take the RSS feed, and only show those enclosures (if they exist, and are not the default grey box we see if the book doesn't have a cover image) somehow? Or perhaps there's a really easy way to do this that I'm overlooking. Would appreciate your insight! Thanks, -- _ ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *Ing. Alejandro Garza González* Coordinación de proyectos y desarrollo de sistemas Centro in...@te, Centro para la Innovación en Tecnología y Educación Tecnológico de Monterrey Tel. +52 [81] 8358.2000, Ext. 6751 Enlace intercampus: 80.689.6751, 80.788.6106 http://www.itesm.mx/innovate/ El contenido de este mensaje de datos no se considera oferta, propuesta o acuerdo, sino hasta que sea confirmado en documento por escrito que contenga la firma autógrafa del apoderado legal del ITESM. El contenido de este mensaje de datos es confidencial y se entiende dirigido y para uso exclusivo del destinatario, por lo que no podrá distribuirse y/o difundirse por ningún medio sin la previa autorización del emisor original. Si usted no es el destinatario, se le prohíbe su utilización total o parcial para cualquier fin. The content of this data transmission must not be considered an offer, proposal, understanding or agreement unless it is confirmed in a document signed by a legal representative of ITESM. The content of this data transmission is confidential and is intended to be delivered only to the addressees. Therefore, it shall not be distributed and/or disclosed through any means without the authorization of the original sender. If you are not the addressee, you are forbidden from using it, either totally or partially, for any purpose.
Re: [CODE4LIB] New books RSS feed / badge with cover images?
I would suggest using Yahoo! Pipes (http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/) for something like this. You can feed it your RSS feed, and add in some logic to strip out extraneous information and the grey boxes. -Sean --- Sean Hannan Web Developer Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Laura Harris wrote: Hi, all - I suspect something like this is being done already, so I thought I would check in and ask. Essentially, what I would like to do is display the library's new books on a web page in a graphic format - I'd like it to look very similar to the sorts of widgets that GoodReads or LibraryThing users can create. I threw up a few quick examples here: http://gvsu.edu/library/zzwidget-test-171.htm Now, we have an RSS feed for our new books (Millennium is our ILS if it matters), and as I understand it, the images we get from Syndetic Solutions are parsed as enclosures to that RSS feed. Is there a way to take the RSS feed, and only show those enclosures (if they exist, and are not the default grey box we see if the book doesn't have a cover image) somehow? Or perhaps there's a really easy way to do this that I'm overlooking. Would appreciate your insight! Thanks,
Re: [CODE4LIB] Running a repository on Debian Stable
Mike Taylor writes: Fedora, The problem there, as I understand it is that Fedora expects everything to be in one directory. This setup in inimical to the Debian setup. Personally, I would think that Fedora is well beyond anything you're describing as desired, but just as a point of general information: If by the above you mean that Fedora requires the web-app, object store, indexes, etc. to be in one directory, this is certainly not the case. A simple default install will indeed put all these inside one directory, along with a Apache Tomcat install and Apache Derby plant (if you ask for those things to be configured for you), but that seems to me to be simply the most OS-agnostic approach. You can, however, rearrange the various filesystem (and other) dependencies howsoever you like. E.g. here at UVa we've used network storage for objects, other network storage for data, a separate database server, our own locally-configured Java container, etc. --- A. Soroka Digital Research and Scholarship R D the University of Virginia Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I'm hoping to attend the upcoming code4libnorth meeting because I heart Canada, but I'd rather not join yet another mailing list. If it gets canceled or something tell us on this list or put it on the wiki page, please? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu wrote: I'm not on that conference list, so don't really know how much traffic it gets. But it seems to me that, since these regional conferences are mostly being held at different times of the year from the main conference, the overlap would be minimal. Or not. I don't know. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of William Denton [...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
[CODE4LIB] Registration for ELAG 2010 is now open
Invitation to the 34th ELAG conference, 9-11th June 2010, Meeting New User Expectations Helsinki, Finland The ELAG (European Library Automation Group) Conference is Europe's premier conference for library and information management technology. The meetings aim at in depth discussions of particular library automation topics and at the promotion of informal exchange of ideas and experience. The topics covered are technical and meant for participants with an appropriate technical background. Users' perspective on information retrieval is largely shaped by web experiences. Accordingly libraries are feeling pressure to adapt their services in line with new user expectations. We invite you to attend this year's conference Meeting New User Expectations. The conference takes place 9-11th June 2010 in Helsinki, Finland. There will be a pre-conference 8th June with two tracks: Solr boot camp and Web services boot camp. You will find information about the conference at: http://indico.cern.ch/event/elag2010 http://indico.cern.ch/event/elag2010 Here you may also register for the conference. Further information about the conference can be found at: http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ If you have any questions, please send an email to: elag-2...@helsinki.fi mailto:elag-2...@helsinki.fi We look forward to meet you in Helsinki!
Re: [CODE4LIB] New books RSS feed / badge with cover images?
Invitation to the 34th ELAG conference, 9-11th June 2010, Meeting New User Expectations Helsinki, Finland The ELAG (European Library Automation Group) Conference is Europe's premier conference for library and information management technology. The meetings aim at in depth discussions of particular library automation topics and at the promotion of informal exchange of ideas and experience. The topics covered are technical and meant for participants with an appropriate technical background. Users' perspective on information retrieval is largely shaped by web experiences. Accordingly libraries are feeling pressure to adapt their services in line with new user expectations. We invite you to attend this year's conference Meeting New User Expectations. The conference takes place 9-11th June 2010 in Helsinki, Finland. There will be a pre-conference 8th June with two tracks: Solr boot camp and Web services boot camp. You will find information about the conference at: http://indico.cern.ch/event/elag2010 http://indico.cern.ch/event/elag2010 Here you may also register for the conference. Further information about the conference can be found at: http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ If you have any questions, please send an email to: elag-2...@helsinki.fi mailto:elag-2...@helsinki.fi We look forward to meet you in Helsinki! Peter
Re: [CODE4LIB] OpenURL aggregator not doing so well
I live in fear of the day that spammers discover they can get on planet.code4lib.org (actually a fairly highly google ranked page) by tagging on delicious. Probably have to drop delicious from the planet.code4lib at that point. From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Singer [rossfsin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:11 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OpenURL aggregator not doing so well Yes, although, the problem is actually with Connotea: http://www.connotea.org/article/4c40adbf8ecaef53b3772b5a141e229d So we either need to talk to NPG or drop Connotea from the OpenURL planet. -Ross. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote: Take a look at http://openurl.code4lib.org/aggregator Any ideas how to make it work better? Eric Hellman President, Gluejar, Inc. 41 Watchung Plaza, #132 Montclair, NJ 07042 USA e...@hellman.net http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/
[CODE4LIB] local c4l chatter and the listserv
We are stuck between two problems, with some people thinking only one of these is/would be a problem, and others not caring at all either way: * Local conference/meetup planning chatter overwhelms the listserv when it's on the main listserv * People don't find out about local conferences/meetups they are interested in when local chatter is somewhere else. My first thought is, gee, this really calls for some kind of threaded forum software, where people can subscribe to only the threads they want. But then I remember, a) that kind of software always sucks, and b) there must be a better web 2.0y way to do it. Just as hypothetical brainstorming, what if we did this: 1. Local code4lib groups are required (ie, strongly strongly strongly encouraged, we can't really require anyone to do anything) to, if they have a local listserv at all, have it listserv in some place that: a) Has _publically viewable archives_ b) Has an RSS-or-Atom feed of those archives, which requires no authentication to subscribe to [Google groups is one very easy way to get both those things, but certainly not the only one] 2. All those local listservs are listed on a wiki page, which local groups are required to add their listserv to. 3. We set up a planet aggregator of all those listserv's RSS. 4. Profit! That is, now: * People can sign up for an individual listserv they want, if they want. * People can view the up-to-date 'archives' of an individual listserv on the web if they want; * people can view the up-to-date 'archives' of the _aggregated_ C4L Local communication, via the aggregator. Using one of many free on the web RSS-to-email services, people can sign up for an email subscription for the AGGREGATED C4L Local traffic, getting what some want to get with just one more subscription. That last part about the RSS-to-email thing is important for our 'requirements', but is the kind of sketchiest. Potentially better is if we write our OWN RSS-to-email service (maybe that will only allow subscriptions to the C4L Aggregator or one of it's components), which we know will work okay, and which does some clever mail header munging so hitting reply to all on an email you get from the aggregator rss-to-email will send your message to the original listserv, so you really can treat your aggregator subscription just like a listserv if you want. Just brainstorming here. Jonathan From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Farrell [gsf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:47 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues I'm hoping to attend the upcoming code4libnorth meeting because I heart Canada, but I'd rather not join yet another mailing list. If it gets canceled or something tell us on this list or put it on the wiki page, please? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu wrote: I'm not on that conference list, so don't really know how much traffic it gets. But it seems to me that, since these regional conferences are mostly being held at different times of the year from the main conference, the overlap would be minimal. Or not. I don't know. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of William Denton [...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] local c4l chatter and the listserv
Seems a bit complex to me. I'd be happy if people just remembered to announce things on the main list, such as we're holding this here event, and/or if you are interested in this event, sign up on this related discussion list. I'm not a big fan of architecting to an end case, and it feels like that's what this is. -- jaf On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: We are stuck between two problems, with some people thinking only one of these is/would be a problem, and others not caring at all either way: * Local conference/meetup planning chatter overwhelms the listserv when it's on the main listserv * People don't find out about local conferences/meetups they are interested in when local chatter is somewhere else. My first thought is, gee, this really calls for some kind of threaded forum software, where people can subscribe to only the threads they want. But then I remember, a) that kind of software always sucks, and b) there must be a better web 2.0y way to do it. Just as hypothetical brainstorming, what if we did this: 1. Local code4lib groups are required (ie, strongly strongly strongly encouraged, we can't really require anyone to do anything) to, if they have a local listserv at all, have it listserv in some place that: a) Has _publically viewable archives_ b) Has an RSS-or-Atom feed of those archives, which requires no authentication to subscribe to [Google groups is one very easy way to get both those things, but certainly not the only one] 2. All those local listservs are listed on a wiki page, which local groups are required to add their listserv to. 3. We set up a planet aggregator of all those listserv's RSS. 4. Profit! That is, now: * People can sign up for an individual listserv they want, if they want. * People can view the up-to-date 'archives' of an individual listserv on the web if they want; * people can view the up-to-date 'archives' of the _aggregated_ C4L Local communication, via the aggregator. Using one of many free on the web RSS-to-email services, people can sign up for an email subscription for the AGGREGATED C4L Local traffic, getting what some want to get with just one more subscription. That last part about the RSS-to-email thing is important for our 'requirements', but is the kind of sketchiest. Potentially better is if we write our OWN RSS-to-email service (maybe that will only allow subscriptions to the C4L Aggregator or one of it's components), which we know will work okay, and which does some clever mail header munging so hitting reply to all on an email you get from the aggregator rss-to-email will send your message to the original listserv, so you really can treat your aggregator subscription just like a listserv if you want. Just brainstorming here. Jonathan From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Farrell [gsf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:47 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues I'm hoping to attend the upcoming code4libnorth meeting because I heart Canada, but I'd rather not join yet another mailing list. If it gets canceled or something tell us on this list or put it on the wiki page, please? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edumailto:dwal...@calstate.edu wrote: I'm not on that conference list, so don't really know how much traffic it gets. But it seems to me that, since these regional conferences are mostly being held at different times of the year from the main conference, the overlap would be minimal. Or not. I don't know. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of William Denton [...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.orghttp://miskatonic.org www.frbr.orghttp://www.frbr.org openfrbr.orghttp://openfrbr.org Jeremy Frumkin Assistant Dean / Chief Technology Strategist University of Arizona Libraries +1 520.626.7296 frumk...@u.library.arizona.edumailto:frumk...@u.library.arizona.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] local c4l chatter and the listserv
And by 'end case' of course I meant 'edge case'. -- jaf On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Frumkin, Jeremy wrote: Seems a bit complex to me. I'd be happy if people just remembered to announce things on the main list, such as we're holding this here event, and/or if you are interested in this event, sign up on this related discussion list. I'm not a big fan of architecting to an end case, and it feels like that's what this is. -- jaf On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: We are stuck between two problems, with some people thinking only one of these is/would be a problem, and others not caring at all either way: * Local conference/meetup planning chatter overwhelms the listserv when it's on the main listserv * People don't find out about local conferences/meetups they are interested in when local chatter is somewhere else. My first thought is, gee, this really calls for some kind of threaded forum software, where people can subscribe to only the threads they want. But then I remember, a) that kind of software always sucks, and b) there must be a better web 2.0y way to do it. Just as hypothetical brainstorming, what if we did this: 1. Local code4lib groups are required (ie, strongly strongly strongly encouraged, we can't really require anyone to do anything) to, if they have a local listserv at all, have it listserv in some place that: a) Has _publically viewable archives_ b) Has an RSS-or-Atom feed of those archives, which requires no authentication to subscribe to [Google groups is one very easy way to get both those things, but certainly not the only one] 2. All those local listservs are listed on a wiki page, which local groups are required to add their listserv to. 3. We set up a planet aggregator of all those listserv's RSS. 4. Profit! That is, now: * People can sign up for an individual listserv they want, if they want. * People can view the up-to-date 'archives' of an individual listserv on the web if they want; * people can view the up-to-date 'archives' of the _aggregated_ C4L Local communication, via the aggregator. Using one of many free on the web RSS-to-email services, people can sign up for an email subscription for the AGGREGATED C4L Local traffic, getting what some want to get with just one more subscription. That last part about the RSS-to-email thing is important for our 'requirements', but is the kind of sketchiest. Potentially better is if we write our OWN RSS-to-email service (maybe that will only allow subscriptions to the C4L Aggregator or one of it's components), which we know will work okay, and which does some clever mail header munging so hitting reply to all on an email you get from the aggregator rss-to-email will send your message to the original listserv, so you really can treat your aggregator subscription just like a listserv if you want. Just brainstorming here. Jonathan From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Farrell [gsf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:47 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues I'm hoping to attend the upcoming code4libnorth meeting because I heart Canada, but I'd rather not join yet another mailing list. If it gets canceled or something tell us on this list or put it on the wiki page, please? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edumailto:dwal...@calstate.edu wrote: I'm not on that conference list, so don't really know how much traffic it gets. But it seems to me that, since these regional conferences are mostly being held at different times of the year from the main conference, the overlap would be minimal. Or not. I don't know. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.eduhttp://xerxes.calstate.edu/ From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of William Denton [...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.orghttp://miskatonic.org/ www.frbr.orghttp://www.frbr.org/ openfrbr.orghttp://openfrbr.org/ Jeremy Frumkin Assistant Dean / Chief Technology Strategist University of Arizona Libraries
Re: [CODE4LIB] local c4l chatter and the listserv
Or if their regional mailing list could send the main list a digest email. Or something. -Ross. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Frumkin, Jeremy frumk...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote: And by 'end case' of course I meant 'edge case'. -- jaf On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Frumkin, Jeremy wrote: Seems a bit complex to me. I'd be happy if people just remembered to announce things on the main list, such as we're holding this here event, and/or if you are interested in this event, sign up on this related discussion list. I'm not a big fan of architecting to an end case, and it feels like that's what this is. -- jaf On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: We are stuck between two problems, with some people thinking only one of these is/would be a problem, and others not caring at all either way: * Local conference/meetup planning chatter overwhelms the listserv when it's on the main listserv * People don't find out about local conferences/meetups they are interested in when local chatter is somewhere else. My first thought is, gee, this really calls for some kind of threaded forum software, where people can subscribe to only the threads they want. But then I remember, a) that kind of software always sucks, and b) there must be a better web 2.0y way to do it. Just as hypothetical brainstorming, what if we did this: 1. Local code4lib groups are required (ie, strongly strongly strongly encouraged, we can't really require anyone to do anything) to, if they have a local listserv at all, have it listserv in some place that: a) Has _publically viewable archives_ b) Has an RSS-or-Atom feed of those archives, which requires no authentication to subscribe to [Google groups is one very easy way to get both those things, but certainly not the only one] 2. All those local listservs are listed on a wiki page, which local groups are required to add their listserv to. 3. We set up a planet aggregator of all those listserv's RSS. 4. Profit! That is, now: * People can sign up for an individual listserv they want, if they want. * People can view the up-to-date 'archives' of an individual listserv on the web if they want; * people can view the up-to-date 'archives' of the _aggregated_ C4L Local communication, via the aggregator. Using one of many free on the web RSS-to-email services, people can sign up for an email subscription for the AGGREGATED C4L Local traffic, getting what some want to get with just one more subscription. That last part about the RSS-to-email thing is important for our 'requirements', but is the kind of sketchiest. Potentially better is if we write our OWN RSS-to-email service (maybe that will only allow subscriptions to the C4L Aggregator or one of it's components), which we know will work okay, and which does some clever mail header munging so hitting reply to all on an email you get from the aggregator rss-to-email will send your message to the original listserv, so you really can treat your aggregator subscription just like a listserv if you want. Just brainstorming here. Jonathan From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Farrell [gsf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:47 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues I'm hoping to attend the upcoming code4libnorth meeting because I heart Canada, but I'd rather not join yet another mailing list. If it gets canceled or something tell us on this list or put it on the wiki page, please? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edumailto:dwal...@calstate.edu wrote: I'm not on that conference list, so don't really know how much traffic it gets. But it seems to me that, since these regional conferences are mostly being held at different times of the year from the main conference, the overlap would be minimal. Or not. I don't know. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.eduhttp://xerxes.calstate.edu/ From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of William Denton [...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
Walker, David wrote: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. this! +1 for me too. Although I knew I wasn't going to be attending the C4L conference in Asheville I still followed most of the messages related to conference. Even though it had a lot of traffic about logistics that was of no interest to me there was also a lot about what was going to presented there, virtual participation information (twitter tags), and other discussions that were of general interest. While I won't be attending a C4L midwest conference (sorry, Eric) I might read something there that I might use for the C4L North conference that I'll more likely attend. Even though most of the discussions on a code4libcon conference might be regional a lot of it may be on issues that are going to be appropriate for a conference, no matter where it's located. Subject line tagging (i.e. C4LNorth) would make it easy to filter out posts when planning is underway for conferences in different areas. Moving conference related discussions to a separate conf list would also improve signal to noise ratio on code4lib. -- John Fereira Cornell University Twitter: @john_fereira Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] OpenURL aggregator not doing so well
I just hope, if they do, they come up with something relevant--like a Nigerian oil executive who needs a little money to start a library. :) Tim On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I live in fear of the day that spammers discover they can get on planet.code4lib.org (actually a fairly highly google ranked page) by tagging on delicious. Probably have to drop delicious from the planet.code4lib at that point.
