Hello Riley, and everyone participating. Your email is a very succinct
summary of what many are likely thinking right now about EZproxy, its
future, and open source or other alternatives.
As a nonprofit membership organization, OCLC strives to align its
pricingwith our mission to serve our member
I never thought about this before, but it makes perfect sense, it is impossible
for the only product in the industry to maintain a perpetual licensing model,
EZProxy is the only one stop shop of its kind, and that is exactly the reason
an alternative is needed. Not because EZProxy is lacking or
ability to hack the
proxy.
--tr
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Peter Murray
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I think it also useful to think
I think it also useful to think about this from the service provider’s
perspective. There have been a few calls for enhancements/fixes in this
thread, but with no source of ongoing revenue (for self-hosted installations,
at least) I don’t know how we can realistically expect the service provide
On 04/02/14 05:09, Andrew Anderson wrote:
There exists a trivial DoS attack against EZproxy that I reported to OCLC about
2 years ago, and has not been addressed yet.
... and as soon as that gets a CVE (see http://cve.mitre.org/),
corporate IT departments will force libraries to upgrade to th
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I'd add to the list that EZProxy integration with Shibboleth is fairly minimal;
for example, it doesn't support chaining att
I'd add to the list that EZProxy integration with Shibboleth is fairly
minimal; for example, it doesn't support chaining attribute
authorities, which is an issue for us. We opened a ticket several years
requesting that feature, but realistically, I doubt it will ever get added.
If EZProxy we
For me it’s a little more concrete, and a little less abstract when it comes to
why a viable alternative to EZproxy is necessary. It has very little to do
with the cost of EZproxy itself, and much more to do with support, features,
and functionality.
There exists a trivial DoS attack against E
So the OCLC is starting to become THE one stop shop, next thing you know they
will be making an offer on LibGuides.
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> On Feb 2, 2014, at 8:43 PM, "stuart yeates" wrote:
>
> It's worse than that.
>
> The price we were quoted for hosting seems to have been picked so it can
> b
It's worse than that.
The price we were quoted for hosting seems to have been picked so it can
be offered with a 90% discount when bundled with a package deal with
other OCLC products; buying into the on-going balkanization of the industry.
cheers
stuart
On 01/02/14 16:24, Roy Tennant wrote:
The institution sacrifices 10 books each year, in the long term this is a lot
of money, it isn't a mater of money also, it is the issue there is no
alternative to EZProxy.
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> On Feb 2, 2014, at 3:58 PM, "Wilhelmina Randtke" wrote:
>
> $500 this year. Five years out, it won'
$500 this year. Five years out, it won't be less than $495 each year, but
potentially much more.
-Wilhelmina Randtke
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:
> When it comes to hedging bets, I'd sure rather hedge my $50,000 bet than my
> $500 one. Just sayin'.
> Roy
>
>
> On Fri, J
On 01/02/14 08:34, Mosior, Benjamin wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts on how to move forward with organizing the
development and adoption of an alternative proxy solution?
A collaborative Google Doc? Perhaps a LibraryProxy GitHub Organization?
I'd say that more than anything else what is n
When it comes to hedging bets, I'd sure rather hedge my $50,000 bet than my
$500 one. Just sayin'.
Roy
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 6:04 PM, BWS Johnson wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> Tisn't necessarily Socialist to hedge one's bets. Look at what Wall
> St. experts advise when one is unsure of whether t
Exactly! OCLC already knows they are the only game in town, that is what drove
them to the new pricing scheme, so what is to stop them from jacking up prices
even more? They are the Gold, Silver, and Bronze standard, so maybe it is time
to develop an alternative, in the hope it will garner vendo
Salvete!
Tisn't necessarily Socialist to hedge one's bets. Look at what Wall St.
experts advise when one is unsure of whether to hold or sell. Monopoly is only
ever in the interest of those that hold it.
Short term the aquarium is enticing, but do you enjoy your collapsed
dorsal f
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Salazar, Christina <
christina.sala...@csuci.edu> wrote:
> I think though that razor thin budgets aside, the EZProxy using community
> is vulnerable to what amounts to a monopoly. Don't get any ideas, OCLC
> peeps (just kiddin') but now we're so captive to EZProxy,
I think though that razor thin budgets aside, the EZProxy using community is
vulnerable to what amounts to a monopoly. Don't get any ideas, OCLC peeps (just
kiddin') but now we're so captive to EZProxy, what are our options if OCLC
wants to gradually (or not so gradually) jack up the price?
Doe
Even with razor thin budgets, this is a no brainer. May they need decide
between buying 10 new books or license EZProxy? Possibly, but if they have
a need for EZProxy, that's still a no brainer - until a solid OSS
replacement that includes as robust a developer /support community comes
around. B
But there are places on a razor thin budget, and things like this throw them
off ball acne
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> On Jan 31, 2014, at 3:32 PM, "Tim McGeary" wrote:
>
> So what's the price point that EZProxy needs to climb to make it more
> realistic to put resources into an alternative. At $500
So what's the price point that EZProxy needs to climb to make it more
realistic to put resources into an alternative. At $500/year, I don't even
have to think about justifying it. At 1% (or less) of the cost of position
with little to no prior experience needed, it doesn't make a lot of sense
to
Does anyone have any thoughts on how to move forward with organizing the
development and adoption of an alternative proxy solution?
A collaborative Google Doc? Perhaps a LibraryProxy GitHub Organization?
Benjamin Mosior
Not only that, but it's also expressly designed for the purpose of reverse
proxying subscription databases in a library environment. There are tons
of things vendors do that would be incredibly frustrating to get working
properly in Squid, nginx, or Apache that have already been solved by
EZProxy.
> EZproxy is a self-installing statically compiled single binary download,
> with a built-in administrative interface that makes most common
> administrative tasks point-and-click, that works on Linux and Windows
> systems, and requires very little in the way of resources to run. It also
> has a l
4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kyle
> Banerjee
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:14 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] EZProxy changes / alternatives ?
>
> Many good ideas in this thread.
>
> One thing I'd just like to throw out there is that t
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I have an IT background and some apache proxy experience, and it seems
fairly easy - for me. I understand it may not be for libraries
limited IT resources?
-T
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Many good ideas in this
Many good ideas in this thread.
One thing I'd just like to throw out there is that there are some ideas
that may be good to distribute in the form of virtual machines and this
might be one of them.
Proxying is needed by practically all libraries and takes little in terms
of systems resources. But
If there is a demand for an EZProxy alternative, nginx might be a better way to
go. Nginx is a reverse proxy ootb, and it is very configurable. It is fast,
simple and, notably, it is fast.
Cary
On Jan 31, 2014, at 5:43 AM, Ryan Eby wrote:
> There was actually a breakout in 2011? Code4lib disc
There was actually a breakout in 2011? Code4lib discussing Apache and using it
as a proxy. I believe Terry Reese and Jeremy Frumkin, then from Oregon?, were
the ones leading it. There was lots of interest but I’m not sure if anything
took off or if they have documentation somewhere of how far th
Well I think there are acctually working solutions if you Google EZProxy squid
you find tons of people who have cobbled together solutions, you just need the
best pieces together to make it work! Who wants to start the GitHub repo?
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> On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:58 PM, "Scott Prate
I second Stuart's kudos. Replacing EZProxy with an Apache proxy sounds just
crazy enough to be brilliant. I could see an open source recipe book taking
shape: how to accomplish EZProxy functions using Apache modules and their
directives. I think that might end up being more useful than yet anoth
d product is updated to the most current version
> automatically.
> >>
> >> My recommendation is: If your installation of EZProxy works, don't
> change it. Yet. Upgrade your installation to the last version available
> under the old license, and use that for as long as you can.
may very well be Apache HTTPd with vendor-specific
> configuration files.
>
> --
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Thank you Andrew, that is insanely useful.
cheers
stuart
On 30/01/14 12:00, Andrew Anderson wrote:
When OCLC first announced their purchase of EZproxy, we started a low priority
research project to see what the alternatives were a few years ago, and what it
would take to bring them into a pro
braries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> stuart yeates
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:40 PM
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>
> The text I've seen talks about "[e]xpanded reporting capa
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> stuart yeates
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:03 PM
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> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] EZProxy changes / alternatives ?
>
> I probably should have
;>> change, either to the yearly fee, or the cost of hosted, or to some
>>> as-yet-undetermined alternative. But I see no need to start paying now for
>>> updates you don't need.
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy I
>> as-yet-undetermined alternative. But I see no need to start paying now for
>> updates you don't need.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Ingraham Dwyer
>> Infrastructure Specialist
>> State Library of Ohio
>> 274 E. 1st Avenue
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ies [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of stuart
yeates
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The text I've seen talks about "[e]xpanded reporting capabilities to support
management decision
uart
yeates
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I probably should have been more specific.
Does anyone have experience switching from EzProxy to anything else?
Is anyone else aware of the coming OCLC chan
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> That's simple for the techs, but VPNs can be a royal pain
> in the keester if you're an end
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I probably should have been more specific.
Do
phanides
> Date:01/28/2014 9:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB]
> EZProxy changes / alternatives ?
> That's simple for the techs, but VPNs can be a royal pain in the
> keester if
> you're an end-user, for a variety of reas
Ditto to Andreas.
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Original message From: Andreas Orphanides
Date:01/28/2014 9:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB]
EZProxy changes / alternatives ?
That's simple for the techs, but VPN
Someone actually has a empty repo on GitHub called "freeproxy" but that might
take a while...
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> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:52 PM, "Ross Singer" wrote:
>
> I hate to say it, but Squid will not be simple to get the kind of results
> EZProxy gets. Shibboleth can take care of a han
I hate to say it, but Squid will not be simple to get the kind of results
EZProxy gets. Shibboleth can take care of a handful (of probably some of your
larger, more commonly accessed?) resources. Maybe Squid can take care of the
rest, but my guess is it's the smaller, more niche resources that
My solution came from Google, but it was people setting up the solution, from
what I can tell EZProxy had the market cornered, but Squid should be simple
enough to setup, and with the coming changes more people in your boat will be
able to solutionize!
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> On Jan 28, 2014, at
I probably should have been more specific.
Does anyone have experience switching from EzProxy to anything else?
Is anyone else aware of the coming OCLC changes and considering switching?
Does anyone have a worked example like: "My EzProxy config for site Y
looked like A; after the switch, my X
A VPN could be a stopgap while you figure something else out, but yes I agree
they are a pain for patrons. Plus from a security standpoint I wouldn't want
patrons VPNing into my network, too many holes.
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> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 PM, "Andreas Orphanides" wrote:
>
> That's s
That's simple for the techs, but VPNs can be a royal pain in the keester if
you're an end-user, for a variety of reasons. It should be incumbent on us
as information specialists to unburden the user to the extent possible.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Aaron Addison wrote:
> Some use Squid, i
Some use Squid, its not hard to set up. But most vendors publish rules
with ezproxy in mind.
The other fairly simple solution is to run a VPN for access, and require
people to use that.
Aaron
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014, stuart yeates wrote:
> We've just received notification of forth-comin
Did a little research
I think Squid would work, not as a drop in replacement. Same with apache (there
is a proxy redirect directive...I don't recall it). I haven't tried either
solution, but they seem to have the same concept, albeit with a little more
configuration! Good Luck
//Riley
Sent fro
EZProxy is a proxy for use with vendors that have products gateway'd by
IP address. It allows users who are off-campus to access resources that
are locked down by IP address as though the user was on campus. It does
deep-packet inspection to write URLs and javascript, facing DNS stuff, etc.
It
Ok, what exactly is EZProxy, I could never figure that out, if I knew I could
help :)
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> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:04 PM, "stuart yeates" wrote:
>
> We've just received notification of forth-coming changes to EZProxy,
> which will require us to pay an arm and a leg for future ver
We've just received notification of forth-coming changes to EZProxy,
which will require us to pay an arm and a leg for future versions to
install locally and/or host with OCLC AU with a ~ 10,000km round trip.
What are the alternatives?
cheers
stuart
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