From her family:
Zoia died on July 12th, Saturday, around 7 am.
She was in hospice and her family was with her.
I'll do the sad update to her wikipedia page.
kc
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skype: kcoylenet
Thanks for sharing this Karen. What an amazing Librarian and crusader!
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
From her family:
Zoia died on July 12th, Saturday, around 7 am.
She was in hospice and her family was with her.
I'll do the sad update to her
Of Shaun
Ellis
Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013 5:00 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
Karen, yes, there is a procedure for dealing with speaking up:
// Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply
immediately. If a participant engages
Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron.
No, this is not true, that any group decision has been done via online vote.
Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group decision' if
it was done by online vote.
The ONLY decisions that have been done by
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:
Any group decision in the past has been done via diebold-o-tron.
No, this is not true, that any group decision has been done via online
vote. Or it's true only in the sense that one only considers it a 'group
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Matienzo
mark.matie...@gmail.com wrote:
More to the point, no other decision about code4lib in terms of
action or policy has been made ever. This is new territory for us.
It's not really that new. We've voted on tshirts, logos, and whether
or not to
The bottom line is that, technically, code4lib does not, AKAIK, exist.
It's one piece of property, the domain name is in your name.
Everything else is donated or lent.
Code4lib has no formal governance. It is more like a clique than an
organization. The question of whether we want to adopt formal
Determining whether action should be taken on harassment should not be
based on a popularity contest. That would be a fail, and that's what
Karen is right to point out.
No one is suggesting that Code4Lib needs to develop a governance system
or that there need to be any future rules. We just
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote:
Determining whether action should be taken on harassment should not be based
on a popularity contest. That would be a fail, and that's what Karen is
right to point out.
I added ABSTENTIONS.txt and OPPOSERS.txt to the
and replacing
her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then?
*Sigh.*
Genny Engel
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Andromeda Yelton
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
FWIW, I am both
Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Andromeda Yelton
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who
is so
thoroughly charmed by zoia
/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then?
*Sigh.*
Genny Engel
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Andromeda Yelton
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
FWIW, I am both an active
] On Behalf Of Shaun
Ellis
Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013 5:00 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
Karen, yes, there is a procedure for dealing with speaking up:
// Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply
immediately. If a participant
In every noisy forum that I participate in (BTW, none of them are tech or
even work related), there are always people who dislike the noise. The
concerns are analogous to the ones expressed here -- irritation factor, it
keeps people away, it's all about the in crowd, etc. Likewise, the
proposed
While I agree that the nature of IRC is pretty much open to all kinds
of behavior, good, and less good, zoia is a shadow character that
often seems to serve as a jerk by proxy. If someone has to be a jerk,
let them be a jerk, not program a bot to be a jerk on their behalf.
Now that I have used
If anyone feels like sorting through the Quote, Dunno, Blame, Disclaimer,
LoveHate, Praise, Sarge, and/or Tantrum databases to weed out potentially
off-putting materials, I can extract and email them. They're flat-file DBs,
and pretty easy to read through quickly.
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:19
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.com wrote:
In every noisy forum that I participate in (BTW, none of them are tech or
even work related), there are always people who dislike the noise. The
concerns are analogous to the ones expressed here -- irritation factor,
I agree with Ed.
Thanks to whoever removed the 'poledance' plugin (REALLY? that existed?
if it makes you feel any better, I don't think anyone who hangs out in
#code4lib even knew it existed, and it never got used).
It's certainly possible that there are or will be other individual
features
It should be noted that @poledance really was originally named @rsinger. See
*
https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-plugins/commit/7ae336cc37a7bbd41e4899f1ca90fb43b12acf46
* and
https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-plugins/commit/90e7d0f2bbb5f8a30c43a6177fb3d4eb7bcb46b1
.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:
Thanks to whoever removed the 'poledance' plugin (REALLY? that existed? if
it makes you feel any better, I don't think anyone who hangs out in
#code4lib even knew it existed, and it never got used).
I knew it existed,
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who is so
thoroughly charmed by zoia I am frequently bothered she isn't right there
*in my real life*. (Yes, I have tried to issue zoia commands during
face-to-face conversations
: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Andromeda Yelton
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who is so
thoroughly charmed by zoia I am
... and BTW, if people see Zoia as a bit of a problem during the
conference, doesn't that mean that Zoia is a bit of a problem all of the
time? Is there a reason to be polite and inclusive during the conference
but not every day? Could this have any relation to the felt need to
create
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
... and BTW, if people see Zoia as a bit of a problem during the conference,
doesn't that mean that Zoia is a bit of a problem all of the time? Is there
a reason to be polite and inclusive during the conference but not every
Actually, I find the playing with Zoia itself offensive. As per my
response to my own message.
It objectifies women. Treats them as play-things. Makes me very
uncomfortable. If we want to have an information bot, perhaps like the
one used by W3C which takes minutes for meetings (Zakim, I
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
Actually, I find the playing with Zoia itself offensive. As per my
response to my own message.
It objectifies women. Treats them as play-things. Makes me very
uncomfortable.
I think you're reading too much into Zoia's
On 13-01-18 10:26 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
Actually, I find the playing with Zoia itself offensive. As per my
response to my own message.
It objectifies women. Treats them as play-things. Makes me very
uncomfortable. If we want to have an information bot, perhaps like the
one
Yes, I believe zoia was named as a tribute to Zoia Horn, FWIW.
-Mike
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
Actually, I find the playing with Zoia itself offensive. As per my
response
+1
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Misty De Meo
misty.de@museumforhumanrights.ca wrote:
On 13-01-18 10:26 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
Actually, I find the playing with Zoia itself offensive. As per my
response to my own message.
It objectifies women. Treats them as
On 1/18/13 8:46 AM, Misty De Meo wrote
I would strongly disagree with this point. As a code4lib newbie a year
ago, I found that zoia was a kind of participatory in-joke that made it
*easier* for me to acclimatize to the culture of the room. I became
comfortable more quickly thanks to zoia.
The
Salvete!
Code4Lib's female bot Zoia beats Koha's male bot Wahanui any day of the
week.
I have to say, when I first saw this thread rev up, I thought Heavens!
What are those ruffians teaching my darling girl?! I think I've witnessed
irreverent quips from time to time, but I don't think
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Michael J. Giarlo
leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote:
Yes, I believe zoia was named as a tribute to Zoia Horn, FWIW.
I did name zoia as a tribute to Zoia Horn. My copy of *ZOIA! Memoirs of
Zoia Horn, Battler for the People’s Right to Know* holds a special
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Gabriel Farrell gsf...@gmail.com wrote:
I've also been working on a new IRC bot framework in node.js called n0d3 (
https://github.com/gsf/n0d3).
... How exactly do you pronounce that?
You need a plugin to pronounce that.
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Andreas Orphanides akorp...@ncsu.eduwrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Gabriel Farrell gsf...@gmail.com
wrote:
I've also been working on a new IRC bot framework in node.js called n0d3
(
On Friday, January 18, 2013, Gabriel Farrell wrote:
I've also been working on a new IRC bot framework in node.js called n0d3 (
https://github.com/gsf/n0d3). I introduced emerac to #code4lib as a hubot
a
year or so ago, and was planning to reintroduce it as an n0d3 bot at some
point. Could
FWIW, there are a few zoia commands I've noticed that could come across
as sexist (especially if you see Zoia as being a female bot).
I don't think they are used that frequently, but I have seen:
@poledance (have zoia display a poledancer)
@euph (have zoia respond in a euphemism)
This isn't
+1 for renaming @poledance to @rsinger.
On Friday, January 18, 2013, Tim Donohue wrote:
FWIW, there are a few zoia commands I've noticed that could come across as
sexist (especially if you see Zoia as being a female bot).
I don't think they are used that frequently, but I have seen:
It also sounds like our channel @helpers and the @help command could help
by spreading the word about /ignore. If you like the #code4lib experience
and find Zoia annoying, please do yourself a favor and /ignore zoia so you
don't have to miss out.
-Mike
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Jay
I think there has been general consensus that there are some offensive
plugins and that the bot should be held to the same level we expect
from a person, but noone (yet) has stepped up to volunteer to go
through all that's available and make an effort at cleaning things up.
As we all know, things
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Jay Luker lb...@reallywow.com wrote:
On Friday, January 18, 2013, Gabriel Farrell wrote:
I've also been working on a new IRC bot framework in node.js called n0d3
(
https://github.com/gsf/n0d3). I introduced emerac to #code4lib as a
hubot a
year or so
Is it the plugins themselves or the content? I suspect that some plugins
lend themselves to more joking around and possible inappropriateness,
but I'm not sure that it's plugin problem, perhaps its a user error.
kc
On 1/18/13 10:17 AM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote:
I think there has been general
On 1/18/13 10:38 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
... and BTW, if people see Zoia as a bit of a problem during the
conference, doesn't that mean that Zoia is a bit of a problem all of the
time?
Yes.
Is there a reason to be polite and inclusive during the conference
but not every day?
FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who is so
thoroughly charmed by zoia I am frequently bothered she isn't right there
*in my real life*. (Yes, I have tried to issue zoia commands during
face-to-face conversations with non-Code4Libbers.)
I think a collaboratively
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
Is it the plugins themselves or the content? I suspect that some plugins
lend themselves to more joking around and possible inappropriateness, but
I'm not sure that it's plugin problem, perhaps its a user error.
I seem to be
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Andromeda Yelton
andromeda.yel...@gmail.com wrote:
But not having zoia would make me sad. And defining zoia to be
woman-unfriendly, when zoia-lovers and zoia-haters appear to span the
gender spectrum and have a variety of reasons (both gendered and non) for
Merged #4. --ay
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote:
Starting the work.
Remove poledance and euph: https://github.com/code4lib/**
supybot-plugins/pull/4https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-plugins/pull/4
-nruest
On 13-01-18 01:17 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote:
I'm looking at the supybot code in c4l's github and don't see @mf here
in any of the three folders. Can you say what it does?
Thanks,
kc
On 1/18/13 11:46 AM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
Is it the plugins themselves or the
@mf just returns a large ASCII image of a hand flicking the bird (or
what do the kids call it nowadays?) That is, sticking up its middle
finger.
Kevin
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
I'm looking at the supybot code in c4l's github and don't see @mf here in
Have some more.
https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-plugins/pull/5
-nruest
On 13-01-18 02:56 PM, Andromeda Yelton wrote:
Merged #4. --ay
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote:
Starting the work.
Remove poledance and euph: https://github.com/code4lib/**
I personally regard the IRC channel as a particular flavor of c4l, rather
than the primary flavor. For example, this discussion is happening on the
mailing list and not in the IRC channel. I'd say IRC is one of the main
flavors, but I'm not sure I would call anything primary. I really like
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