Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-19 Thread Kyle Banerjee
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: The language you choose is somewhat dependent on the data you're working with. I don't find that Ruby or PHP are particularly good at dealing with XML. They're passable for data manipulation and migration, but I wouldn't

[CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Jason Stirnaman
This is a terribly distorted view of Ruby: If you want to make web pages, learn Ruby, and you don't need to learn Rails to get the benefit of Ruby's awesomeness. But, everyone will have their own opinions. There's no accounting for taste. For anyone interested in learning to program and hack

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Ethan Gruber
The language you choose is somewhat dependent on the data you're working with. I don't find that Ruby or PHP are particularly good at dealing with XML. They're passable for data manipulation and migration, but I wouldn't use them to render large collections of structured XML data, like EAD or TEI

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Cary Gordon
This is an interesting and frustrating conversation. Most modern languages are capable of doing almost anything. They all have strengths and weaknesses. I have worked in many languages starting in Fortran, and, while I have favorites, I like the fact that I can be productive and efficient by

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Matthew Sherman
Getting back to the original point so noting some nice starting tools, I find http://www.codecademy.com to be a decent starting spot for those of us without much computer science background. I am not sure what professional developers think of the site but I find it a helpful to tutorial to start

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Justin Coyne
If you're just learning to program, I would absolutely recommend an interpreted language like Ruby, PHP, Python, Perl, JavaScript etc. over something that is compiled like Java, C, or Go. These languages are almost always slower, but the immediate feedback is invaluable for learning. I find

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Jason Stirnaman
I've heard similar good things about Codecademy from a friend who recently wanted to start learning programming along with his teenage son. It seems like a good gateway drug :) I introduced my 11-year-old to the Javascript-based animation tutorials on Khan Academy and he found them really fun.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Michael Schofield
I am going to second and third and fourth www.codeschool.com. I know codecademy gets a lot of love, but I'm pretty sure that's only because people don't know about Code School. I would turn to NetTuts courses for PHP, especially Laravel 4 (greatest PHP-thing ever), but that's *only because Code

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/18/2013 2:04 PM, Jason Stirnaman wrote: I've been thinking alot about how to introduce not only my kids, but some of our cataloging/technical staff to thinking programmatically or computationally[1] or whatever you want to call it. Do you have an opinion of the google 'computational

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Karen Coyle
On 2/18/13 12:53 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: On 2/18/2013 2:04 PM, Jason Stirnaman wrote: I've been thinking alot about how to introduce not only my kids, but some of our cataloging/technical staff to thinking programmatically or computationally[1] or whatever you want to call it. Do you

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Jason Stirnaman
I'm not advocating the Google CT lessons as the best way to learn Python. Karen, I really like your hacker space idea. Anyone else know of an online environment like that? Another option is maybe a Python IRC channel or a local meetup discussion list. For example, we have a really good Ruby

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread James Stuart
As far as python goes, this has a quick sense of pacing, and has a lot of interactive exercises, while building something pretty useful in the end. https://www.udacity.com/ (CS101) It goes into a little bit more theory then I think is useful for some folks, but it's still a great resource. On