Re: [CODE4LIB] can code4lib survive Oracle's takeover of Sun?

2009-04-20 Thread Thomas Dowling
On 04/20/2009 10:13 AM, Barnett, Jeffrey wrote:
 I know the answer is yes, but does anyone care to speculate on the
 impact of Oracle's takeover of Sun, which controls in addition to open
 source workhorse JAVA, MySQL, OpenOffice, and Netbeans (all of which
 complete with proprietary products from Oracle).


Meh.  I don't know the intricacies of Java or NetBeans, but with MySQL, a
non-nurturing environment at Ora-Sun will either lead to a fork handled by
someone more invested in it, or a gradual move to PostgreSQL; if that spurs
some development to simplify psql, it's arguably a win all around.

OO.o development doesn't seem to be in the fast lane as it is, so I'm not sure
it could suffer much if Sun bails on it.  And isn't IBM contributing at least
as much as Sun these days?  Maybe it needs something like this to shake it up.


-- 
Thomas Dowling
tdowl...@ohiolink.edu


Re: [CODE4LIB] can code4lib survive Oracle's takeover of Sun?

2009-04-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The user community for these products is WAY bigger than code4lib, 
naturally.  If Oracle manages to mess them up, then the user community 
will fork, or migrate to different products, and we will follow.  
Fortunately we are not alone here, there are giant communities formed 
around these open source products, which will keep using open source 
products to fill those functions one way or another, and we'll go with 
them.


Not to imply that a custodial company who wanted to couldn't make things 
very inconvenient in the short to medium term, sure. But it's just 
speculation at this point, I don't see any reason to get alarmed.  And 
one way or another, it'll work out in the end.


Jonathan

Barnett, Jeffrey wrote:

I know the answer is yes, but does anyone care to speculate on the impact of 
Oracle's takeover of Sun, which controls in addition to open source workhorse 
JAVA, MySQL, OpenOffice, and Netbeans (all of which complete with proprietary 
products from Oracle).  I haven't heard anything quotable recently from Larry 
Ellison, but he has in the pass been an ardent opponent of OSS and I find it 
hard to imagine him not taking advantage of this opportunity to place 
roadblocks and/or booby traps in the way of the OSS community.

  


Re: [CODE4LIB] can code4lib survive Oracle's takeover of Sun?

2009-04-20 Thread Barnett, Jeffrey
IBM has an RDBMS horse in the OSS race (Called Derby).  It doesn't seem to 
have much of a following.  I imagine they must have forseen the possiblity of 
an Oracle takeover when they broke off their own acquisition proposal earlier 
this (?last) year.  I agree there is probably more to come.  That's why I posed 
the question.
Netbeans is probably in the weakest position.  It already has strong OSS 
competition from Eclipse (originally IBM sponsored), and IBM, Oracle, and uSoft 
all have in-house IDEs.

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Dowling
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:42 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] can code4lib survive Oracle's takeover of Sun?

On 04/20/2009 10:13 AM, Barnett, Jeffrey wrote:
 I know the answer is yes, but does anyone care to speculate on the
 impact of Oracle's takeover of Sun, which controls in addition to open
 source workhorse JAVA, MySQL, OpenOffice, and Netbeans (all of which
 complete with proprietary products from Oracle).


Meh.  I don't know the intricacies of Java or NetBeans, but with MySQL, a
non-nurturing environment at Ora-Sun will either lead to a fork handled by
someone more invested in it, or a gradual move to PostgreSQL; if that spurs
some development to simplify psql, it's arguably a win all around.

OO.o development doesn't seem to be in the fast lane as it is, so I'm not sure
it could suffer much if Sun bails on it.  And isn't IBM contributing at least
as much as Sun these days?  Maybe it needs something like this to shake it up.


-- 
Thomas Dowling
tdowl...@ohiolink.edu


Re: [CODE4LIB] can code4lib survive Oracle's takeover of Sun?

2009-04-20 Thread Cloutman, David
I don't know if there is anything that can be done about it, but if
anyone is interested, I've set up a Facebook group opposing the merger. 

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=91044005659



---
David Cloutman dclout...@co.marin.ca.us
Electronic Services Librarian
Marin County Free Library 

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Subject: [CODE4LIB] can code4lib survive Oracle's takeover of Sun?


I know the answer is yes, but does anyone care to speculate on the
impact of Oracle's takeover of Sun, which controls in addition to open
source workhorse JAVA, MySQL, OpenOffice, and Netbeans (all of which
complete with proprietary products from Oracle).  I haven't heard
anything quotable recently from Larry Ellison, but he has in the pass
been an ardent opponent of OSS and I find it hard to imagine him not
taking advantage of this opportunity to place roadblocks and/or booby
traps in the way of the OSS community.

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Re: [CODE4LIB] can code4lib survive Oracle's takeover of Sun?

2009-04-20 Thread Joe Hourcle

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Cloutman, David wrote:


I don't know if there is anything that can be done about it, but if
anyone is interested, I've set up a Facebook group opposing the merger.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=91044005659



I doubt that joining a facebook group is going to actually do anything in 
the matter.  If you actually have specific reasons for not wanting the 
merger, I'm guessing that there's someone to write to at the FTC or DOJ or 
whatever other government agencies have to approve these mergers.


If they decide that the merger would harm competition, they can (must?) 
reject the merger.


-
Joe Hourcle
Principal Software Engineer
Solar Data Analysis Center
Goddard Space Flight Center

[insert disclaimer here about these being personal comments, and not those 
of my company or place of work]