Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export?
SFX uses a proprietary mechanism to trigger fetch that is not part of the OpenURL standard. The usefulness of this mechanism, however, motivated the very rich fetch functionality in the 1.0 version of the standard- if you care at all about interoperability you should avoid the SFX trigger mechanism. COinS recommends not to use ContextObjects with fetch (by reference metadata) because it is thought that deverse agents will not be able to deal with them; however, link server systems with full Z39.88 implementations should have no problem with them. Eric On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:59 PM, Tom Keays wrote: I'm certainly no expert, but my understanding is that you have to embed the extra authors into a call (a fetch in the SFX lingo) using a private identifier at the end of the OpenURL string. It's more complicated than that, of course, since there has to an sid included in addition to the pid and, at least in the SFX-biased documentation, this so-called fetch operation is intended to be done using z39.50 or html-based (REST?) calls to a dataserver determined by the source. Pretty messy, huh? http://www.exlibrisgroup.com/resources/sfx/sfx_for_ips_aug_2002.pdf The upshot is that multiple authors aren't directly supported in COinS because a COinS url is by design generic and therefore can't know about how to deal with the specific sid and pid requirements of a fetch. However, I would think Umlaut ought to be able to handle it since it has SFX at its core. On 9/28/07, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell me how to legally include more than one author name in an OpenURL context object? I've been a bit confused about this myself, and happen to be dealing with it presently too.
Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export?
I'm certainly no expert, but my understanding is that you have to embed the extra authors into a call (a fetch in the SFX lingo) using a private identifier at the end of the OpenURL string. It's more complicated than that, of course, since there has to an sid included in addition to the pid and, at least in the SFX-biased documentation, this so-called fetch operation is intended to be done using z39.50 or html-based (REST?) calls to a dataserver determined by the source. Pretty messy, huh? http://www.exlibrisgroup.com/resources/sfx/sfx_for_ips_aug_2002.pdf The upshot is that multiple authors aren't directly supported in COinS because a COinS url is by design generic and therefore can't know about how to deal with the specific sid and pid requirements of a fetch. However, I would think Umlaut ought to be able to handle it since it has SFX at its core. On 9/28/07, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell me how to legally include more than one author name in an OpenURL context object? I've been a bit confused about this myself, and happen to be dealing with it presently too.
Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export?
On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Steve Toub wrote: A reminder that the data model for OpenURL/COinS does not have all metadata fields: only one author allowed, no abstract, etc. That's incorrect; an Openurl context object may contain any number of author names. (but not parsed author names). And to be fair, there exists no metadata format that has all metadata fields. Eric
Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export?
Can you tell me how to legally include more than one author name in an OpenURL context object? I've been a bit confused about this myself, and happen to be dealing with it presently too. And of course no metadata format has 'all metadata fields', but the interestingly point here is that while SAP1/2 does have a pretty good set of elements neccessary to _identify_ a citation (it's intended purpose), it is missing a few really important elements for a general purpose citation metadata format to be used for anything in addition to identification. Multiple authors names (seperated into firstname/lastname/etc elements) being one of the primary ones important for just about any citation application that _isn't_ limited to identification. Abstract being another useful for a wide variety of applications. It's a bit frustrating to me, because it seems to me that with just a few added things, SAP1/2 _could_ be sufficient for a much wider range of applications than it is now. Of course, maybe it just seems that way, in the sense that no matter how much you have it always seems like you need 'just one more'. :) Jonathan --- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Hellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/28/2007 1:10 PM On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Steve Toub wrote: A reminder that the data model for OpenURL/COinS does not have all metadata fields: only one author allowed, no abstract, etc. That's incorrect; an Openurl context object may contain any number of author names. (but not parsed author names). And to be fair, there exists no metadata format that has all metadata fields. Eric
Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export?
I believe that LibraryFind includes COinS but they aren't working quite right in the current version. If the COinS were working correctly (which they are supposed to in the next version) then Zotero would read them and allow you to import results. I don't know of anyone who has added a citation export feature otherwise though. Jeremy or Terry please correct me if I've got my COinS information in which version confused. Karen On 9/27/07 11:57 AM, Tim Shearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm interested to know if anyone working with LibraryFind has begun work to create a tool for bibliographic export to citation management tools like refworks, etc. Thanks! Tim +++ Tim Shearer Web Development Coordinator The University Library University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-962-1288 +++ -- Karen A. Coombs Head of Libraries' Web Services University of Houston 114 University Libraries Houston, TX 77204-2000 Phone: (713) 743-3713 Fax: (713) 743-9811 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export?
COINs are included in the output, but because the current pages are loaded via AJAX, the data isn't visible to browser plugins like Libx, Zotero, etc. 0.8.3 will remove nearly all the ajax -- and when that happens, the COINS data should be visible. --TR *** Terry Reese Cataloger for Networked Resources Digital Production Unit Head Oregon State University Libraries Corvallis, OR 97331 tel: 541-737-6384 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: http://oregonstate.edu/~reeset *** From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Karen Coombs Sent: Thu 9/27/2007 11:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export? I believe that LibraryFind includes COinS but they aren't working quite right in the current version. If the COinS were working correctly (which they are supposed to in the next version) then Zotero would read them and allow you to import results. I don't know of anyone who has added a citation export feature otherwise though. Jeremy or Terry please correct me if I've got my COinS information in which version confused. Karen On 9/27/07 11:57 AM, Tim Shearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm interested to know if anyone working with LibraryFind has begun work to create a tool for bibliographic export to citation management tools like refworks, etc. Thanks! Tim +++ Tim Shearer Web Development Coordinator The University Library University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-962-1288 +++ -- Karen A. Coombs Head of Libraries' Web Services University of Houston 114 University Libraries Houston, TX 77204-2000 Phone: (713) 743-3713 Fax: (713) 743-9811 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export?
A reminder that the data model for OpenURL/COinS does not have all metadata fields: only one author allowed, no abstract, etc. You may want to consider using unAPI instead of COinS. DLF Aquifer has a Rails presentation layer and is using unAPI. The unAPI interface is exposing MODS, which is the native format. I've also asked for RIS to get exposed as well for EndNote/RefWorks support. I tested the developer's code this week; the unAPI part is in great shape, but the Zotero import part still needs a bit of polish before it's final. Expected open source release eventually but I'm not sure the ETA. --SET Godmar Back wrote: FWIW, if we really wanted to, we could process COinS even if they show up via AJAX (at least in FF via DOMChanged event.) - Godmar On 9/27/07, Reese, Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COINs are included in the output, but because the current pages are loaded via AJAX, the data isn't visible to browser plugins like Libx, Zotero, etc. 0.8.3 will remove nearly all the ajax -- and when that happens, the COINS data should be visible. --TR *** Terry Reese Cataloger for Networked Resources Digital Production Unit Head Oregon State University Libraries Corvallis, OR 97331 tel: 541-737-6384 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: http://oregonstate.edu/~reeset *** From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Karen Coombs Sent: Thu 9/27/2007 11:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] library find and bibliographic citation export? I believe that LibraryFind includes COinS but they aren't working quite right in the current version. If the COinS were working correctly (which they are supposed to in the next version) then Zotero would read them and allow you to import results. I don't know of anyone who has added a citation export feature otherwise though. Jeremy or Terry please correct me if I've got my COinS information in which version confused. Karen On 9/27/07 11:57 AM, Tim Shearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm interested to know if anyone working with LibraryFind has begun work to create a tool for bibliographic export to citation management tools like refworks, etc. Thanks! Tim +++ Tim Shearer Web Development Coordinator The University Library University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-962-1288 +++ -- Karen A. Coombs Head of Libraries' Web Services University of Houston 114 University Libraries Houston, TX 77204-2000 Phone: (713) 743-3713 Fax: (713) 743-9811 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
