Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-23 Thread Matthew S . Hallacy
user-com, doco-com, and everything else ending in -com besides this list, is basicly a lot of users who wanted to feel special with a complete lack of anyone who "matters" (coders, admins, opers), no offense to those people on the lists, they do a fine job at whatever they do, and I've been impre

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-22 Thread rob
- Original Message - From: "Stacy Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What Kev said. Despite smug assurances that emails to admins/opers are > sent to /dev/null, that is the only place that policy complaints can be > directed and have any hope of being considered. In the past I have always >

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-21 Thread Perry Lorier
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:50:52PM -0600, Matthew S . Hallacy wrote: > > > > Best tool for the job. IRC is overloaded and bloated as it is. Cutting out > > some of the unnecessary features is a *good thing*. Not that I agree that > > The problem is that you aren't removing the commands, you'r

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-21 Thread Stacy Brown
What Kev said. Despite smug assurances that emails to admins/opers are sent to /dev/null, that is the only place that policy complaints can be directed and have any hope of being considered. In the past I have always been a staunch opponent of moderation of this list of any kind, but I'm startin

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-21 Thread Kev
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is for technical discussions relating to the IRC server software. This is the wrong place for discussions of policy. I have been tolerant to date due to the fact that these changes are controversial. That tolerance has just run out. Please take it to a more appropriate list.

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-21 Thread Matthew S . Hallacy
> > Best tool for the job. IRC is overloaded and bloated as it is. Cutting out > some of the unnecessary features is a *good thing*. Not that I agree that The problem is that you aren't removing the commands, you're making them oper only, which equates to more power to the opers, and a less i

Re: Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-21 Thread Michael Bordignon
how poetic... - Original Message - From: "Py Fivestones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD > >Well admins and coders, are you happy with the way this network is going? >

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-21 Thread Michael Bordignon
- Original Message - From: "Perry Lorier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Py Fivestones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD > Hence why we use IRC for chat, the web for storin

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-21 Thread Perry Lorier
On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 03:28:48AM -0400, Py Fivestones wrote: > Odd, I thought people used IRC because they didn't want to have to play > with web pages loading and refreshing. The server list is now a web page, > MOTD's now web pages, why not just toss the IRCd and force everyone onto > web b

Re[2]: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-21 Thread Py Fivestones
Odd, I thought people used IRC because they didn't want to have to play with web pages loading and refreshing. The server list is now a web page, MOTD's now web pages, why not just toss the IRCd and force everyone onto web based chat? Does anyone remember when Undernet was a real IRC net indepe

Re[2]: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-20 Thread Andrew Miller
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:15:20 +0200 (CEST) you wrote: > Euhrm > > *** Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator > *** asfwefwef* No such server I think someone needs to review the hunt_server_command function... } else if (!(acptr = FindNServer(to))) return (HUNTED_NOSUCH);

Fwd: Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-20 Thread Py Fivestones
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:37:19 -0400 >To: Dirk Moerenhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: Py Fivestones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD > >Well admins and coders, are you happy with the way this network is going? >Below is one admin who isn

[Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-20 Thread Bunny Bonn
Yes, there are corrupted Undernet opers and official staff. It's unbelievable the way the ignore all valid complaints (that's it, with legitimate logs) and how the help staff (the one that helps to "stop cyber abuse) go everywhere using hacked boxes and more ... I've been on Undernet for 6 ye

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-20 Thread Mark Foster
At the risk of getting involved in a flame war; I can see 'power hungry' becoming a fairly subjective term. If you have serious complaints about the conduct of an oper, logs and allegations need to go to the admin concerned. Where the admin is abusive, the data needs to go to one of the other

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-20 Thread Dirk Moerenhout
Euhrm *** Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator *** asfwefwef* No such server things like these only work if you make error-messages equal wether a server is linked or not. The only thing the patch has accomplished now is that you can't do a remote MOTD. It does not add any protection a

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-20 Thread Matthew S . Hallacy
On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 07:45:09AM -0500, Stacy Brown wrote: > Complain all you want, guys, but the fact is that no server had delinked > due to DoS since most of the servers have upgraded to pl14/pl15. Only > sandiego* has delinked during that time, and it was due to the company > merging. At l

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-20 Thread Stacy Brown
. On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Michael Bordignon wrote: > i want to go back to pl13 > > - Original Message - > From: "Colin Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD >

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-20 Thread Mark Foster
I feel we're approaching the pedantic here. Maybe servers should cache MOTD information then ? Its not like it'd be hard to propogate an update - and the MOTD is important when looking for bot servers, etc. Mark. At 18:51 20/08/2001 +1200, you wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:04:10 +1200 you

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-19 Thread Andrew Miller
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:04:10 +1200 you wrote: > [10:59] ./motd paris* > [10:59] Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator > > Any reason why motd was part of the pl14/15 mods? > Remote MOTD would be useful to guests I should think. We did the same with ircd-hybrid-7. One of the i

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-19 Thread Michael Bordignon
i want to go back to pl13 - Original Message - From: "Colin Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD > Didn't you know that Undernet(tm) is now an official entity of AOL T

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-19 Thread Colin Walker
]> >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:04 AM >Subject: [Coder-Com] MOTD > > > > [10:59] ./motd paris* > > [10:59] Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator > > > > Any reason why motd was part of the pl14/15 mods? > > Remote MOTD would be useful to guests I should think. > > > > Mark (BlakJak) > > > >

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-19 Thread Michael Bordignon
so is remote version... when are we rolling out the red carpet for the yahoo/aol chat merge? - Original Message - From: "Mark Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: [Coder-Com] MOTD > [10:59

Re: [Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-19 Thread Hidden
: "Mark Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: [Coder-Com] MOTD > [10:59] ./motd paris* > [10:59] Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator > > Any reason why motd was part of the pl14/15 mods? &g

[Coder-Com] MOTD

2001-08-19 Thread Mark Foster
[10:59] ./motd paris* [10:59] Permission Denied: You're not an IRC operator Any reason why motd was part of the pl14/15 mods? Remote MOTD would be useful to guests I should think. Mark (BlakJak)