Re: Top N things to encourage commercial Haskell?

2016-10-16 Thread Carter Schonwald 
Build great stuff and be profitable and effective in your product space.
Nothing else matters.

In any business delivering and being able to manage expectations and
iterate/evolve your product or service talk.  Everything else just walks.

So if Haskell is a tool that helps yah, to quote the Nike motto: just do it

then laugh all the way to the bank (I like a good laugh on my morning
commute :) )


I'm being slightly tongue in cheek, but at the end of day, business results
are what matter.  Use the tools that help / make sense while making you
effective and happy about your work and the end result

On Friday, October 14, 2016, Alexandr Kurilin  wrote:

> Things that are still uncomfortable in my experience that should scare
> people considering Haskell for their business:
>
> * relability of hackage / stackage infrastructure. Could they fall off the
> face of the Earth one day and your business is now hosed?
> * is there enough momentum in the community to keep the ecosystem going if
> something happens to the big contributors? How high is the bus factor for
> the ecosystem?
> * finding qualified people is non-trivial. It's doable to find good
> software engineers with crappy Haskell skills or bad software engineers
> with great Haskell skills, finding both is a challenge.
> * building large Haskell projects still takes forever / a lot of memory,
> breaks a lot of CI out there requiring manual set up of Jenkins and
> friends, not a lot of documentation and success stories out there to use
> for reference. GHC seems to get slower with every iteration.
> * small community, not clear if the support will be there if something
> goes south in your project. With Java and friends you have years of
> accumulated documentation on how to troubleshoot anything on the internet,
> an infinity of experts who can look into your issues. With Haskell, not so
> much.
>
> Will see if I can think of more of these.
>
>
> *Alexandr Kurilin* | CTO
>
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> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:39 am,  2...@jaguarpaw.co.uk
> >
> Tom Ellis wrote:
>
> Dear commercial Haskell fans,
>
> Is there some strategy document detailing the "N most important things to
> encourage commercial Haskell adoption"?
>
> The best that I can recall is the FP Complete developers survey
>
> https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2015/05/thousand-user-haskell-survey
>
> and the summaries that Aaron Contorer posted to Reddit:
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/37d5xh/286_
> microsoft_users_windows_and_net_express_their/
> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/37iwlj/154_
> professionals_comment_on_desired_improvements/
> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/377zyc/72_
> wouldbe_commercial_haskell_users_what_haskell/
> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/37cr8k/54_
> haskell_developers_describe_the_templates/
>
> Ideally I'd like to determine what are the three most important areas where
> contributions would most increase commercial adoption. Does anyone have any
> clues where I should start?
>
> Tom
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Re: Top N things to encourage commercial Haskell?

2016-10-14 Thread Alexandr Kurilin 
Things that are still uncomfortable in my experience that should scare people 
considering Haskell for their business:

* relability of hackage / stackage infrastructure. Could they fall off the face 
of the Earth one day and your business is now hosed?
* is there enough momentum in the community to keep the ecosystem going if 
something happens to the big contributors? How high is the bus factor for the 
ecosystem?
* finding qualified people is non-trivial. It's doable to find good software 
engineers with crappy Haskell skills or bad software engineers with great 
Haskell skills, finding both is a challenge.
* building large Haskell projects still takes forever / a lot of memory, breaks 
a lot of CI out there requiring manual set up of Jenkins and friends, not a lot 
of documentation and success stories out there to use for reference. GHC seems 
to get slower with every iteration.
* small community, not clear if the support will be there if something goes 
south in your project. With Java and friends you have years of accumulated 
documentation on how to troubleshoot anything on the internet, an infinity of 
experts who can look into your issues. With Haskell, not so much.

Will see if I can think of more of these.



Alexandr Kurilin| CTO


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--- original message ---
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:39 am, 
 Tom Ellis wrote:

Dear commercial Haskell fans,

Is there some strategy document detailing the "N most important things to
encourage commercial Haskell adoption"?

The best that I can recall is the FP Complete developers survey

https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2015/05/thousand-user-haskell-survey

and the summaries that Aaron Contorer posted to Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/37d5xh/286_microsoft_users_windows_and_net_express_their/
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/37iwlj/154_professionals_comment_on_desired_improvements/
https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/377zyc/72_wouldbe_commercial_haskell_users_what_haskell/
https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/37cr8k/54_haskell_developers_describe_the_templates/

Ideally I'd like to determine what are the three most important areas where
contributions would most increase commercial adoption. Does anyone have any
clues where I should start?

Tom

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