Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread David Reid
Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL

Re: From editor of ... (Re: Newsletter.)

2003-08-26 Thread David Reid
3. Apache Newsletter is one of the News from the ASF material, which people who do not have much time to read all the websites in the Apache.org have been eager to get in the past, so it fit to the original usage of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and I will publish this newsletter to this

EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi, Some of you may already be aware that on 1st September the European parliament will vote [1] on the issue of software patents. This is something that will directly affect all ASF projects, despite the care that we take in guaranteeing copyright of contributed code. Approved patents are not

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread David Reid
As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) david - Original Message - From: Henning

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
As I said, I was just looking on the web pages. Maybe we should update them. Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... If you wish to stick

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other sources will get

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400 Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Thom May
* Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Wait, wait. If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? wrong. -Thom

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread David Reid
And a very sensible one at that! :) david - Original Message - From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] David

Re: From editor of ... (Re: Newsletter.)

2003-08-26 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 03:39 AM 8/26/2003, David Reid wrote: 3. Apache Newsletter is one of the News from the ASF material, which people who do not have much time to read all the websites in the Apache.org have been eager to get in the past, so it fit to the original usage of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and I

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it). Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote: And a very sensible one at that! :) david - Original Message - From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Hi, now I know a reason: --- cut --- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. announce@apache.org: Must be sent from an @apache.org address.

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09:14 +0100 Andrew Savory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to propose that we close (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Hi, now I know a reason: --- cut --- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. announce@apache.org:

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I'd like to propose that we close (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down ourselves (or UnitedLayer does). If we were to do this, IMHO,

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Danny Angus
If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. d. -Original Message- From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2003 18:07 To: community@apache.org Cc: [EMAIL

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Thom May
* Danny Angus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. ditto and ditto. -Thom - To unsubscribe,

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Lars Eilebrecht
According to Danny Angus: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1! ciao... -- Lars Eilebrecht - Beat me, whip me, make me use Windows! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread André Malo
* Thom May wrote: * Danny Angus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. ditto and ditto. +1. nd

Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? Nope, in fact I was arguing against it, unless someone crafts a message to let the

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Giacomo Pati
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1 for me -- Giacomo Pati Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com Orixo, the XML business alliance -

RE: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? It was discussed, but I don't believe that it was effected. Brian had some concerns. See the community@ archives. ---

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. Same for both here, if it wasn't clear enough already. :-) -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 19:18:38 +0200 Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an almost standard page at http://swpat.ffii.org/group/demo/demo.en.html, so it would just be a matter of downloading and setting an .htaccess rule. But I understand that it might be pretty late to

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Sander Striker
If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1 Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: If someone (since there seems to be a lot of people +1'ing it) can come up with a *suitable* page for us to post, if we get a go-ahead from the board, then I'll post it (at least on www). I'd like to see a page contain: - the ASF logo so that this is obvious this is our

Re: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Erik Abele
On 26/08/2003, at 07:44, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. d. +1 and +1! just FYI: the ISOC members are currently discussing the same issues but it's probably also

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Steven Noels
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. Ditto here: Apache standing up against SW patents might show the industry they can't play nice with open source

Re: Draft proposal for EU patents protest

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Anyway, just in case the board gives the green light, attached is the (text corrected, thanks!) HTML page. It might need tweaks at the refresh meta and last link to adjust it to the correct index page. The img absolute link is on purpose, in case others want to apply

RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest

2003-08-26 Thread Sander Striker
From: Gianugo Rabellino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:47 PM Andrew Savory wrote: http://petition.eurolinux.org. You will be redirected automatically to this site homepage in 60 seconds (or you can reach it directly by clicking a href=...here/a).

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I am in favor of opposing software patents (they aren not working out great in the USA), but we should not disadvantage our users. If we post anything, as we did regarding the JCP, it should not prevent our users from easily using the site. People count on the ASF, and while we may want them to

RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest

2003-08-26 Thread Sander Striker
From: Sander Striker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:55 PM Hmmm. I was more thinking all or nothing. If the board approves, swap the main httpd.conf for a config that will serve only this page. We swap configs again when the protest is over (a day?). Then

RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Whatever text we adopted will need to be approved, anyhow, but do you want to add anything to the effect that the Apache Software Foundation develops software based upon Open Standards and promotes inter-operability, both of which would be threatened by software patents, and therefore the ASF is

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
+1, +1 and the main question remains why we (and I don't mean just the ASF but all of us that develop and/or work with OSS and free software) were collectively blind and deaf to this issue. This didn't surface just today. We simply had a blind spot for this. :-( Regards

RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
http://cvs.apache.org/~gianugo/apache-protest.html Page Closed - Important Notice this site - this site's --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Is having the real home page one click or 60-seconds away for one day really something that bugs the Apache userbase a lot? No. I think what you did was fine in that regard, and have already commented on it. We are apparently still dealing with mail-lag. :-) I know that patents will be a

Re: Draft proposal for EU patents protest

2003-08-26 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Whatever text we adopted will need to be approved, anyhow, but do you want to add anything to the effect that the Apache Software Foundation develops software based upon Open Standards and promotes inter-operability, both of which would be threatened by software patents, and

RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest

2003-08-26 Thread Steven Noels
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Sander Striker wrote: From: Sander Striker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:55 PM Hmmm. I was more thinking all or nothing. If the board approves, swap the main httpd.conf for a config that will serve only this page. We swap configs

RE: EU Software Patents

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I predict that it will be really ugly. Fortunately, there are Open Source friendly companies like IBM, so with their patronage, Open Source can succeed. Should they turn face, ugly will be an understatement. Agreed, but did you know: [that IBM is the worlds most prolific patenter] Yes.

Re: [VOTE] Support the EU patent protest

2003-08-26 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Though I personally support the patent protest; and have been heavily donating bits, bandwidth,bytes and storage to the cause as a private citizen; I am not too eager to see the ASF jump into the political arena. So count it as a -0 for me. As this is certainly not in one issue which in my

[PROPSAL] Support EU Patent Vote Protest

2003-08-26 Thread David Reid
This may well be too late for any form of decision, but I propose that for the duration of the 27th August 2003 we change the index page of the main ASF web site to point at a page that states our opposition to the proposal being voted on and our support for the campaign against it. The page is