RE: Tapestry incubation
I'll bite ... what is Tapestry? --- Noel -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 17:54 To: community@apache.org; Jakarta General List; general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Tapestry incubation no-connotation requestedaction=subscribe, ignore Please subscribe to general@incubator.apache.org if you are interested in participating in the Tapestry incubation process. Thank you, Andy /no-connotation
Re: Tapestry incubation
http://www.arcomnet.net.au/~vermiro/Tapestryqu.html http://www.wordreference.com/English/definition.asp?en=tapestry I'll bite ... what is Tapestry? --- Noel
Re: Tapestry incubation
[1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net [2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal Tapestry is a component-based web framework. Its created by a great group of guys whom I have a lot of respect for. Noel J. Bergman wrote: I'll bite ... what is Tapestry? --- Noel -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 17:54 To: community@apache.org; Jakarta General List; general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Tapestry incubation no-connotation requestedaction=subscribe, ignore Please subscribe to general@incubator.apache.org if you are interested in participating in the Tapestry incubation process. Thank you, Andy /no-connotation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA point of view - at least from my understanding of how to get good quality in an open source world. Attempting to silence critiques of the work is rarely healthy. Silent communities are either very low loyalty, or very authoritarian. - ben Ben Hyde wrote: I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which files in the software were changed. While at first I thought that wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control. - ben On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed you can do: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you can go here: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
Right.. .Just this continues to be said over and over and over by primarily the same people in response to me. My repeated response continues to be http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JustDoIt because http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SomeoneElse doesn't feel like it ;-) -Andy Ben Hyde wrote: On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA point of view - at least from my understanding of how to get good quality in an open source world. Attempting to silence critiques of the work is rarely healthy. Silent communities are either very low loyalty, or very authoritarian. - ben Ben Hyde wrote: I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which files in the software were changed. While at first I thought that wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control. - ben On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed you can do: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you can go here: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
From: Ben Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:34 PM On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA point of view And these were exactly the concerns raised when a Wiki was first proposed. Stefano took most of these away, but the QA one remains (since the most important tool to do it is missing). Please don't ask me for patches. I am not interested in using the Wiki, but I am interested in content quality. I would probably subscribe to the 'wiki-changes' list, since that would push the content under my nose instead of having me actively reading each changed page online. I'm sure this goes for others aswell. Who is monitoring the Wiki content at the moment? - at least from my understanding of how to get good quality in an open source world. Attempting to silence critiques of the work is rarely healthy. Silent communities are either very low loyalty, or very authoritarian. - ben Sander
Re: Tapestry incubation
So that would make up what? The fifth or the sixth Framework from the ASF? Regards Henning On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:34, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: [1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net [2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal Tapestry is a component-based web framework. Its created by a great group of guys whom I have a lot of respect for. Noel J. Bergman wrote: I'll bite ... what is Tapestry? --- Noel -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 17:54 To: community@apache.org; Jakarta General List; general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Tapestry incubation no-connotation requestedaction=subscribe, ignore Please subscribe to general@incubator.apache.org if you are interested in participating in the Tapestry incubation process. Thank you, Andy /no-connotation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
Ben Hyde wrote: On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy Thanks to http://www.fettig.net/projects/hep/, I can have attached-like mails being send to some mailing list. And if someone can patch the RSS feed of the Wiki so that it has more sensible content, I assume we are almost getting there. See attached mails. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org ---BeginMessage--- RSS is out of betahttp://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=""> ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=""> ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- link to
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
If you (steven) will guide me, I will be happy to set this up. Someone with access will have to create the mail list. I will even monitor the mail list occssionally via gmane. I do not know python so if anyone wants more features they will need to submit patches. -Andy Steven Noels wrote: Ben Hyde wrote: On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy Thanks to http://www.fettig.net/projects/hep/, I can have attached-like mails being send to some mailing list. And if someone can patch the RSS feed of the Wiki so that it has more sensible content, I assume we are almost getting there. See attached mails. /Steven Subject: WikiProjectPage From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RSS is out of beta http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=WikiProjectPagerevision=7 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=WikiProjectPagerevision=7 Subject: WhyUseWiki From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=WhyUseWikirevision=7 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=WhyUseWikirevision=7 Subject: JMeterDevelopment From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=JMeterDevelopmentrevision=1 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=JMeterDevelopmentrevision=1 Subject: JamesV2Plans From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Added Redirect and Bounce changes http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=JamesV2Plansrevision=13 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=JamesV2Plansrevision=13 Subject: BestPractice From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] link to WikiBestPractices http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=BestPracticerevision=2 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=BestPracticerevision=2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
I love wiki. Sander Striker wrote: Who is monitoring the Wiki content at the moment? The PMC should monitor PMC specific Wikis. Some of that is sketched out here http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WikiProjectPage ... below peanut gallery Steven Noels wrote: if someone can patch the RSS feed of the Wiki so that it has more sensible content, I assume we are almost getting there. moduse[1] has email notification, enable it. The email should go to dev@pmc.apache.org and consequential discussions can go there too. The email should include a diff. The RSS is merging change events, that's a mistake. - ben [1] Moduse is venerable software. Every time I turn something on it doesn't work quite the way I was expecting. The code defends it's self, and I love Perl.
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
moduse[1] has email notification, enable it. The email should go to dev@pmc.apache.org and consequential discussions can go there too. The email should include a diff. The RSS is merging change events, that's a mistake. - ben [1] Moduse is venerable software. Every time I turn something on it doesn't work quite the way I was expecting. The code defends it's self, and I love Perl. If you send me patches to either the wiki source http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.txt or configuration http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/config.txt I will apply them. It sounds like you know what you're talking about. As for the RSS, I grabbed this version off the usemod wiki's patches. Most of the patches weren't in diff -u format and I'm not a real perl programmer I just play one when I need it. They use the go here and edit this version of patches which I find very frustrating. So, I grabbed a prepatched version. If I had written it, I'd have done it as you say. If you have some actual patch or script changes send them in diff -u format. I'll apply them. Its quite simple. I love applying patches. -andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
I am interested in content quality. I would probably subscribe to the 'wiki-changes' list, since that would push the content under my nose instead of having me actively reading each changed page online. Right, that has been my point about push model communication. But do you really want to have every change pushed into your mail box (this is actually easy to do with usemodwiki), or just those pages that interest you? Every few days I check to see the RecentChanges list, but I primarly skim it looking to see if pages related to projects I care about have changed. If the Wiki gets lots of use, reading all changes would be like subscribing to every CVS change made in every module all over Apache. At that point the perceived signal to noise ratio for most people would be rather low, IMO. It seems that Andy feels that an RSS feed is the solution to this problem. --- Noel
Re: Tapestry incubation
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: So that would make up what? The fifth or the sixth Framework from the ASF? You're right, geez, we should only have Avalon as a framework and Cocoon as an app. Yup, in this case I agree. :- On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:34, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: [1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net [2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal Tapestry is a component-based web framework. Its created by a great group of guys whom I have a lot of respect for. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) -
Re: Tapestry incubation
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 05:56:12PM +0100, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: [ edited for order ] On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:34, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: [1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net [2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal Tapestry is a component-based web framework. Its created by a great group of guys whom I have a lot of respect for. So that would make up what? The fifth or the sixth Framework from the ASF? so? i think the key thing is in andy's second sentence: it's created by a great group of guys whom (he) has a lot of respect for. i think the apache foundation could use all of those it can get, and we aren't going to get it by telling them what projects to work on. (communities are what really matter, not code.) jim
Java Best Practices
Hi there Over on the FOP mailing list we're currently putting together a Style Guide for our Java and XML sources. We've got some MUSTs and a lot of SHOULDs that shouldn't really blow up that document. So now that we've got a Wiki it would be a nice idea to come up with a Best Practice Guide to Java that we could link to. And why not have all these bright Apache people stick their heads together to create a wonderful resource. Rules: - Well structured - Clear and concise - Better only widely agreed facts and experiences than personal opinions - Let's avoid flame wars (if a topic gets too hot, drop it because it only shows it's more personal style than common sense) - Frequent clean up on the Wiki page(s) so the document can eventually be converted to XML. Some topics (I know you'll come up with more): - Common sense when programming (write for clarity, write for easy maintenance etc.) - documentation (when, what to what extent) - Naming of variables, methods etc. (not stuff like m_ prefixes) - Exception throwing and handling - Usage of interface vs. implementation - Performance optimization (when, what, how) - Where and what to log - Links to other resources like the book Code Complete etc. What do you think? Jeremias Maerki FOP committer
