Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
infrastructure, can we have a new mail list called [EMAIL PROTECTED] It appears to have been set up this morning with only you subscribed. Roy
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
Nicely put. Sums up the fears of a lot of folks... david On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA point of view - at least from my understanding of how to get good quality in an open source world. Attempting to silence critiques of the work is rarely healthy. Silent communities are either very low loyalty, or very authoritarian. - ben Ben Hyde wrote: I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which files in the software were changed. While at first I thought that wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control. - ben On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed you can do: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you can go here: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
I requested a wiki mail list.. no response as of yet. Steven Noels wrote: Steven Noels wrote: I'm currently messing around to change the Sender: address to a non-role account address. As soon as I found out, I can send it any way you want. This is done - change notification mails are now being send as: From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... so I can send them to any mailing list I'm subscribed to myself. I guess Perl gurus would be more useful to make the 'diff' messages a bit more interesting. This still remains to be done, and no hablo Perl over here. I only found where in the Perl script the RSS feed gets constructed, but I can't find how one could inject the diff'ed content of the page. But since this is one of the features of the Wiki script, I assume this should be possible. /Steven
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA point of view - at least from my understanding of how to get good quality in an open source world. Attempting to silence critiques of the work is rarely healthy. Silent communities are either very low loyalty, or very authoritarian. - ben Ben Hyde wrote: I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which files in the software were changed. While at first I thought that wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control. - ben On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed you can do: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you can go here: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
Right.. .Just this continues to be said over and over and over by primarily the same people in response to me. My repeated response continues to be http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JustDoIt because http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SomeoneElse doesn't feel like it ;-) -Andy Ben Hyde wrote: On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA point of view - at least from my understanding of how to get good quality in an open source world. Attempting to silence critiques of the work is rarely healthy. Silent communities are either very low loyalty, or very authoritarian. - ben Ben Hyde wrote: I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which files in the software were changed. While at first I thought that wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control. - ben On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed you can do: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you can go here: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
From: Ben Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:34 PM On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA point of view And these were exactly the concerns raised when a Wiki was first proposed. Stefano took most of these away, but the QA one remains (since the most important tool to do it is missing). Please don't ask me for patches. I am not interested in using the Wiki, but I am interested in content quality. I would probably subscribe to the 'wiki-changes' list, since that would push the content under my nose instead of having me actively reading each changed page online. I'm sure this goes for others aswell. Who is monitoring the Wiki content at the moment? - at least from my understanding of how to get good quality in an open source world. Attempting to silence critiques of the work is rarely healthy. Silent communities are either very low loyalty, or very authoritarian. - ben Sander
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
Ben Hyde wrote: On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy Thanks to http://www.fettig.net/projects/hep/, I can have attached-like mails being send to some mailing list. And if someone can patch the RSS feed of the Wiki so that it has more sensible content, I assume we are almost getting there. See attached mails. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org ---BeginMessage--- RSS is out of betahttp://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=""> ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=""> ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- link to
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
If you (steven) will guide me, I will be happy to set this up. Someone with access will have to create the mail list. I will even monitor the mail list occssionally via gmane. I do not know python so if anyone wants more features they will need to submit patches. -Andy Steven Noels wrote: Ben Hyde wrote: On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy Thanks to http://www.fettig.net/projects/hep/, I can have attached-like mails being send to some mailing list. And if someone can patch the RSS feed of the Wiki so that it has more sensible content, I assume we are almost getting there. See attached mails. /Steven Subject: WikiProjectPage From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RSS is out of beta http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=WikiProjectPagerevision=7 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=WikiProjectPagerevision=7 Subject: WhyUseWiki From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=WhyUseWikirevision=7 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=WhyUseWikirevision=7 Subject: JMeterDevelopment From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=JMeterDevelopmentrevision=1 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=JMeterDevelopmentrevision=1 Subject: JamesV2Plans From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Added Redirect and Bounce changes http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=JamesV2Plansrevision=13 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=JamesV2Plansrevision=13 Subject: BestPractice From: Apache Wiki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:53:16 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] link to WikiBestPractices http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=BestPracticerevision=2 http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=browseid=BestPracticerevision=2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
I love wiki. Sander Striker wrote: Who is monitoring the Wiki content at the moment? The PMC should monitor PMC specific Wikis. Some of that is sketched out here http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WikiProjectPage ... below peanut gallery Steven Noels wrote: if someone can patch the RSS feed of the Wiki so that it has more sensible content, I assume we are almost getting there. moduse[1] has email notification, enable it. The email should go to dev@pmc.apache.org and consequential discussions can go there too. The email should include a diff. The RSS is merging change events, that's a mistake. - ben [1] Moduse is venerable software. Every time I turn something on it doesn't work quite the way I was expecting. The code defends it's self, and I love Perl.
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moduse[1] has email notification, enable it. The email should go to dev@pmc.apache.org and consequential discussions can go there too. The email should include a diff. The RSS is merging change events, that's a mistake. - ben [1] Moduse is venerable software. Every time I turn something on it doesn't work quite the way I was expecting. The code defends it's self, and I love Perl. If you send me patches to either the wiki source http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.txt or configuration http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/config.txt I will apply them. It sounds like you know what you're talking about. As for the RSS, I grabbed this version off the usemod wiki's patches. Most of the patches weren't in diff -u format and I'm not a real perl programmer I just play one when I need it. They use the go here and edit this version of patches which I find very frustrating. So, I grabbed a prepatched version. If I had written it, I'd have done it as you say. If you have some actual patch or script changes send them in diff -u format. I'll apply them. Its quite simple. I love applying patches. -andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am interested in content quality. I would probably subscribe to the 'wiki-changes' list, since that would push the content under my nose instead of having me actively reading each changed page online. Right, that has been my point about push model communication. But do you really want to have every change pushed into your mail box (this is actually easy to do with usemodwiki), or just those pages that interest you? Every few days I check to see the RecentChanges list, but I primarly skim it looking to see if pages related to projects I care about have changed. If the Wiki gets lots of use, reading all changes would be like subscribing to every CVS change made in every module all over Apache. At that point the perceived signal to noise ratio for most people would be rather low, IMO. It seems that Andy feels that an RSS feed is the solution to this problem. --- Noel
ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed you can do: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you can go here: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html -Andy
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which files in the software were changed. While at first I thought that wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control. - ben On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed you can do: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you can go here: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html
Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi
Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches. I just am not interested in doing it myself. I'm not trying to be nasty just convey Less talk, more action -Andy Ben Hyde wrote: I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which files in the software were changed. While at first I thought that wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control. - ben On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Thanks to everyone who helped... The apachewikitest.cgi is now just a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test is now the real thing. So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS feed you can do: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you can go here: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
